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Where Bernie and Hillary Really Disagree
The two leading Democratic candidates differ not just on policy, but also on whether the nation needs incremental reforms or revolutionary change.
Lucy Nicholson / Reuters
Peter Beinart Oct 14, 2015
[...]
Consider the two candidates’ answers on financial regulation. Sanders said that, “Wall Street, where fraud is a business model, helped to destroy this economy and
the lives of millions of people.” Thus, “we have got to break up” the banks. Hillary, by contrast, said that “Dodd-Frank was a good start, and I think that we have to
implement it ... We have to save the Consumer Financial Protection board.” Sanders, in other words, attacked the system; Hillary explained how it could be improved.
[...]
It was like that all night. .. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-debate/410449/
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Here's where Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders stand on the issues
Maxwell Tani and Samantha Lee
Nov. 14, 2015, 9:57 A
[...]
http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders-on-the-issues-2015-9
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The "how of implementing" policies is important.
The Biggest Difference Between Clinton's and Sanders' Policies Isn't Their Substance
It's how they'd try to enact them.
—By Patrick Caldwell
| Sat Nov. 14, 2015 6:00 AM EST
Josh Haner/ZUMA
The contrasts between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are largely differences of degree. He's a self-proclaimed socialist; she fashions .. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-progressive_561dafabe4b050c6c4a35c32 .. herself a "progressive that likes to get things done." He hopes to bust up the biggest banks .. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/bernie-sanders-break-banks-too-big-fail .. and offer free tuition at public colleges and universities; she wants to tamp down on risky Wall Street behavior and require .. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/clintons-sweeping-new-debt-free-college-plan .. students to work part-time in order to attend college without building up debt.
But these discrepancies would likely disappear if either Democratic candidate wins the presidency and attempts to push these bills through a Republican Congress that considers all of the proposals too far left for its liking.
The real difference between Sanders and Clinton might come down less to the what of their policies than to the how of implementing them. When Sanders unveils a new policy as part of his presidential campaign, he tends to pair it with legislation he introduces in the Senate. Judging from his campaign, a President Sanders would spend much of his time trying to convince Congress to pass massive legislative overhauls.
Clinton, on the other hand, often pairs ideas for legislation with promises of executive action in her policy fact sheets. When she rolls out a new policy proposal, the most details are usually in descriptions of the unilateral actions she would take through the power of the executive branch.
Take the two campaigns' recent approaches to reforming marijuana laws. Sanders introduced .. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-marijuana-ban_563a3e21e4b0b24aee4858ae .. a bill in the Senate that would end the federal prohibition on the drug (which, like other far-reaching bills he's introduced alongside campaign pledges, has not yet received even a committee vote). Clinton's approach isn't more modest just in substance, but also in approach. She'd change .. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/hillary-clinton-marijuana-medical-schedule-reclassified .. the classification of marijuana on the federal drug schedule, which would allow it to be used for medical purposes. That's within the purview of the executive branch without congressional intervention. (Neither campaign responded to requests for comment on how each candidate views the role of legislation and executive action.)
The past two presidents have both slowly ramped up the frequency of presidential action without consulting Congress. Following 9/11, George W. Bush expanded the scope of surveillance and the executive's international actions. "We’ve been able to restore the legitimate authority of the presidency," Dick Cheney once bragged .. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/dec/21/20051221-121348-3996r/?page=all . President Obama, despite promising .. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/02/13/pure-gold-obama-slams-bush-for-expanding-executive-power-ignoring-congress-n1794535 .. to "reverse" that expansion in his 2008 campaign, has only furthered the trend.
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INSERT: with due respect to Patrick Caldwell a hmm? on the top sentence of above paragraph, and on the suggestion
that Obama has "furthered the trend" .. unless i'm missing something simple that really doesn't look to be the case.
Here is the number of Executive Orders issued by presidents from Richard Nixon to Obama. The
first figure shows the total number of orders issued, the second figure is the average per year:
* Richard Nixon - 346 or 62 per year
* Gerald Ford – 169 or 69 per year
* Jimmy Carter – 320 or 80 per year
* Ronald Reagan – 381 or 48 per year
* George H.W. Bush – 166 or 42 per year
* Bill Clinton - 364 or 46 per year
* George W. Bush – 291 or 36 per year
* Barack Obama (through Dec. 31, 2015) – 227 or 33 per year
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/01/what_is_an_executive_order_and.html
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=120365947
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[that paragraph continued] Upon first gaining office, with friendly Democratic majorities in Congress, Obama pushed expansive laws like the stimulus and the Affordable Care Act. But once Republicans took the House in 2010, Obama's ability to pass major changes through Congress was stymied, and he's turned to executive action, such as using the Clean Air Act to lower carbon emissions from coal plants after Congress failed to pass a cap-and-trade bill.
With Democrats unlikely .. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/03/us/politics/democrats-make-advances-but-house-still-proves-elusive.html .. to retake the House anytime soon, if a Democrat wins the presidency in 2016, most progressive gains will probably have to come in areas where the president doesn't have to seek congressional approval—through the courts and executive actions.
Sanders is hardly opposed to an expansive view of what a president can accomplish through executive order. Earlier this spring, before launching his presidential campaign, Sanders wrote a letter .. http://www.budget.senate.gov/democratic/public/_cache/files/7a8dbc99-3850-4760-be3a-2361c1ec4208/sanders-letter-to-white-house-on-tax-loopholes.pdf .. urging the Obama administration to close several corporate tax loopholes through executive fiat and and boost revenues by $100 billion. He's cheered .. http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/07/bernie-sanders-applauds-pres-obama-ordering-paid-sick-leave-fed-workers.html .. Obama's use of executive orders to force federal contractors into more liberal employment practices.
But on the campaign trail, Sanders shows his instincts as a senator. While Clinton's plan .. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/10/08/wall-street-work-for-main-street/ .. for financial reform pledged to appoint more aggressive regulators to crack down on Wall Street's bad actors and focused on what she'd veto, Sanders' issues page .. https://berniesanders.com/issues/reforming-wall-street/ .. on Wall Street is a litany of changes that would have to clear Congress: a bill breaking up the biggest banks, a return to the Glass-Steagall law that separated commercial and investment banking, and a financial transaction tax.
When Clinton released her plan to tackle gun violence, she offered up a slew of ideas for the kind of legislation she'd like to see passed and said she'd push Congress to expand background checks. But in the likely event that a Republican Congress didn't help her in passing that legislation, Clinton said, she'd focus .. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/05/us/to-curb-gun-violence-hillary-clinton-has-a-plan-for-possible-executive-action.html?_r=0 .. on how she could use executive orders to close the gun show loophole. She made clear that she'd prefer to pursue the traditional legislative route, but was resigned to the realities of dealing with a Republican-controlled Congress.
Clinton's proposals for executive action might be easier to enact, but they carry plenty of risk. Laws last until they're overturned, which often involves relitigating the entire fight. Executive orders and instructions to federal agencies can be wiped out as soon as a successor enters the White House. And ambitious executive actions often stand on shaky ground while awaiting judicial approval. Take Obama's executive order known as the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents, or DAPA, which offered millions of undocumented immigrants a reprieve from deportation. He signed the order last year, but it's remained in judicial limbo ever since. Earlier this week, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled .. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/fifth-circuit-obama-immigration/415077/ .. the order unconstitutional, leaving the fate of the policy in the hands of the Supreme Court.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-executive-orders-bills
All that said by Patrick aside, there is the thought that IF Bernie should become president, which surely is about as far out there as saying if Trump drops out of the race after Nevada Feb. 23rd .. just IF .. after reading this one
As Mayor, Bernie Sanders Was More Pragmatist Than Socialist
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=120421503
one could suggest a President Bernie may not be as revolutionary as he sounds on the campaign trail. Which, of course, would be a terrible disappointment to those of his
supporters who are the most idealistically minded and who don't understand that the best way to bring about change is in an incremental way. Rather than by revolution.
See also:
Trump Goes Paranoid Loon In NH Victory Speech And Declares Employment Numbers A Lie
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=120458148
and that he would be the greatest president God ever created .. ROTLMAO! .. oh sorry, he said the greatest jobs president .. ROTLMAO!
The two leading Democratic candidates differ not just on policy, but also on whether the nation needs incremental reforms or revolutionary change.
Lucy Nicholson / Reuters
Peter Beinart Oct 14, 2015
[...]
Consider the two candidates’ answers on financial regulation. Sanders said that, “Wall Street, where fraud is a business model, helped to destroy this economy and
the lives of millions of people.” Thus, “we have got to break up” the banks. Hillary, by contrast, said that “Dodd-Frank was a good start, and I think that we have to
implement it ... We have to save the Consumer Financial Protection board.” Sanders, in other words, attacked the system; Hillary explained how it could be improved.
[...]
It was like that all night. .. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-debate/410449/
---
Here's where Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders stand on the issues
Maxwell Tani and Samantha Lee
Nov. 14, 2015, 9:57 A
[...]
http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders-on-the-issues-2015-9
---
The "how of implementing" policies is important.
The Biggest Difference Between Clinton's and Sanders' Policies Isn't Their Substance
It's how they'd try to enact them.
—By Patrick Caldwell
| Sat Nov. 14, 2015 6:00 AM EST
Josh Haner/ZUMA
The contrasts between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are largely differences of degree. He's a self-proclaimed socialist; she fashions .. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-progressive_561dafabe4b050c6c4a35c32 .. herself a "progressive that likes to get things done." He hopes to bust up the biggest banks .. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/bernie-sanders-break-banks-too-big-fail .. and offer free tuition at public colleges and universities; she wants to tamp down on risky Wall Street behavior and require .. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/clintons-sweeping-new-debt-free-college-plan .. students to work part-time in order to attend college without building up debt.
But these discrepancies would likely disappear if either Democratic candidate wins the presidency and attempts to push these bills through a Republican Congress that considers all of the proposals too far left for its liking.
The real difference between Sanders and Clinton might come down less to the what of their policies than to the how of implementing them. When Sanders unveils a new policy as part of his presidential campaign, he tends to pair it with legislation he introduces in the Senate. Judging from his campaign, a President Sanders would spend much of his time trying to convince Congress to pass massive legislative overhauls.
Clinton, on the other hand, often pairs ideas for legislation with promises of executive action in her policy fact sheets. When she rolls out a new policy proposal, the most details are usually in descriptions of the unilateral actions she would take through the power of the executive branch.
Take the two campaigns' recent approaches to reforming marijuana laws. Sanders introduced .. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-marijuana-ban_563a3e21e4b0b24aee4858ae .. a bill in the Senate that would end the federal prohibition on the drug (which, like other far-reaching bills he's introduced alongside campaign pledges, has not yet received even a committee vote). Clinton's approach isn't more modest just in substance, but also in approach. She'd change .. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/hillary-clinton-marijuana-medical-schedule-reclassified .. the classification of marijuana on the federal drug schedule, which would allow it to be used for medical purposes. That's within the purview of the executive branch without congressional intervention. (Neither campaign responded to requests for comment on how each candidate views the role of legislation and executive action.)
The past two presidents have both slowly ramped up the frequency of presidential action without consulting Congress. Following 9/11, George W. Bush expanded the scope of surveillance and the executive's international actions. "We’ve been able to restore the legitimate authority of the presidency," Dick Cheney once bragged .. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/dec/21/20051221-121348-3996r/?page=all . President Obama, despite promising .. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/02/13/pure-gold-obama-slams-bush-for-expanding-executive-power-ignoring-congress-n1794535 .. to "reverse" that expansion in his 2008 campaign, has only furthered the trend.
--
INSERT: with due respect to Patrick Caldwell a hmm? on the top sentence of above paragraph, and on the suggestion
that Obama has "furthered the trend" .. unless i'm missing something simple that really doesn't look to be the case.
Here is the number of Executive Orders issued by presidents from Richard Nixon to Obama. The
first figure shows the total number of orders issued, the second figure is the average per year:
* Richard Nixon - 346 or 62 per year
* Gerald Ford – 169 or 69 per year
* Jimmy Carter – 320 or 80 per year
* Ronald Reagan – 381 or 48 per year
* George H.W. Bush – 166 or 42 per year
* Bill Clinton - 364 or 46 per year
* George W. Bush – 291 or 36 per year
* Barack Obama (through Dec. 31, 2015) – 227 or 33 per year
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/01/what_is_an_executive_order_and.html
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=120365947
--
[that paragraph continued] Upon first gaining office, with friendly Democratic majorities in Congress, Obama pushed expansive laws like the stimulus and the Affordable Care Act. But once Republicans took the House in 2010, Obama's ability to pass major changes through Congress was stymied, and he's turned to executive action, such as using the Clean Air Act to lower carbon emissions from coal plants after Congress failed to pass a cap-and-trade bill.
With Democrats unlikely .. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/03/us/politics/democrats-make-advances-but-house-still-proves-elusive.html .. to retake the House anytime soon, if a Democrat wins the presidency in 2016, most progressive gains will probably have to come in areas where the president doesn't have to seek congressional approval—through the courts and executive actions.
Sanders is hardly opposed to an expansive view of what a president can accomplish through executive order. Earlier this spring, before launching his presidential campaign, Sanders wrote a letter .. http://www.budget.senate.gov/democratic/public/_cache/files/7a8dbc99-3850-4760-be3a-2361c1ec4208/sanders-letter-to-white-house-on-tax-loopholes.pdf .. urging the Obama administration to close several corporate tax loopholes through executive fiat and and boost revenues by $100 billion. He's cheered .. http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/07/bernie-sanders-applauds-pres-obama-ordering-paid-sick-leave-fed-workers.html .. Obama's use of executive orders to force federal contractors into more liberal employment practices.
But on the campaign trail, Sanders shows his instincts as a senator. While Clinton's plan .. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/10/08/wall-street-work-for-main-street/ .. for financial reform pledged to appoint more aggressive regulators to crack down on Wall Street's bad actors and focused on what she'd veto, Sanders' issues page .. https://berniesanders.com/issues/reforming-wall-street/ .. on Wall Street is a litany of changes that would have to clear Congress: a bill breaking up the biggest banks, a return to the Glass-Steagall law that separated commercial and investment banking, and a financial transaction tax.
When Clinton released her plan to tackle gun violence, she offered up a slew of ideas for the kind of legislation she'd like to see passed and said she'd push Congress to expand background checks. But in the likely event that a Republican Congress didn't help her in passing that legislation, Clinton said, she'd focus .. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/05/us/to-curb-gun-violence-hillary-clinton-has-a-plan-for-possible-executive-action.html?_r=0 .. on how she could use executive orders to close the gun show loophole. She made clear that she'd prefer to pursue the traditional legislative route, but was resigned to the realities of dealing with a Republican-controlled Congress.
Clinton's proposals for executive action might be easier to enact, but they carry plenty of risk. Laws last until they're overturned, which often involves relitigating the entire fight. Executive orders and instructions to federal agencies can be wiped out as soon as a successor enters the White House. And ambitious executive actions often stand on shaky ground while awaiting judicial approval. Take Obama's executive order known as the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents, or DAPA, which offered millions of undocumented immigrants a reprieve from deportation. He signed the order last year, but it's remained in judicial limbo ever since. Earlier this week, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled .. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/fifth-circuit-obama-immigration/415077/ .. the order unconstitutional, leaving the fate of the policy in the hands of the Supreme Court.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-executive-orders-bills
All that said by Patrick aside, there is the thought that IF Bernie should become president, which surely is about as far out there as saying if Trump drops out of the race after Nevada Feb. 23rd .. just IF .. after reading this one
As Mayor, Bernie Sanders Was More Pragmatist Than Socialist
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=120421503
one could suggest a President Bernie may not be as revolutionary as he sounds on the campaign trail. Which, of course, would be a terrible disappointment to those of his
supporters who are the most idealistically minded and who don't understand that the best way to bring about change is in an incremental way. Rather than by revolution.
See also:
Trump Goes Paranoid Loon In NH Victory Speech And Declares Employment Numbers A Lie
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=120458148
and that he would be the greatest president God ever created .. ROTLMAO! .. oh sorry, he said the greatest jobs president .. ROTLMAO!
It was Plato who said, “He, O men, is the wisest, who like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing”
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