conix -- so you consider the rulers/governments of Saudi Arabia and Iran liberals? -- the Taliban, al Qaeda/bin Laden, ISIS/al-Baghdadi liberals? really? Shirley you can't be serious [yt]ixljWVyPby0[/yt] [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixljWVyPby0 (with comments)] on this most basic point at least, if you were any denser you'd have an event horizon