Tornado Alley (PROG)

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SilverSurfer -- not quite/entirely what I've ever said, either

my point is, and always has been, that government and the law, which just like all the rest in/comprising society in this (and any other) contemporary nation-state is what we make of it, is the one and the only both possible and necessary institution capable of balancing/taming concentrated wealth/power -- and that it indeed can, and should, do so without becoming either or both some economy-annihilating monster destroying the free market/free enterprise or any liberty-destroying legion of storms troopers crushing our necks and souls under its boots

making it so, making government and the law good, effective and efficient, is up to us, as it is to the people of any other nation-state -- we here actually have it pretty easy, what with our system with the rights we possess including but not limited to our right to vote in elections, and all; all we gotta do is pay some degree of attention to understand things and then get up off our butts and go vote for the candidates who make more sense to us given our understanding of things and our concerns, desires and needs -- that government and the law can be and are/have been (too much) captured by the rich/powerful does not obviate that reality, it underlines it

as all of human social history attests, the back and forth between the rich/powerful and the rest is, like it or not, inherent in our even comprising/being in a society, of any sort -- the rich/powerful are always there, and to one extent or another always have their say -- and one way or another, the question of what's the deal between the rich/powerful and the rest is always the issue at the core of the society existing, surviving or not, evolving or not -- and government and the law are what effect/enforce that deal, whether it's a good or fair or reasonable or decent one for the rest, or not

throwing ('big') government and the law under the bus as inevitably the corrupt cronies of corrupt big business is, accordingly, a purest-of-rank-nihilistic-bullshit frame, exactly, precisely wrong -- that is and all along has been your 'do-loop', your mental blue-screen default state in these discussions which oh-so-reliably prevents you from integrating the rest of your thoughts and concerns (which by the way, just to say it, are not all nuts), and accordingly prevents the great bulk of your presentations of your views from making the least damned bit of sense, going off in whichever directions then to fall right back into that do-loop

and also just to say it -- Bernie? -- well, given the concerns you've most consistently expressed (and leaving aside your wanderings into getting completely lost in your do-loop), that actually would make sense -- as would Hillary, for that matter