10% is required to report to SEC, I have never passed that mark. Klann owns 12% in his name alone. More in proxy, and family they vote around 25-30%. Truly it's his company and his baby I am just along for the ride. If this company wasn't 34,000,000 in debt the stock would be 2-5 dollars. But the fact is that it is worth -34,900,000. When if it becomes profitable, God willing, we all make out like bandits. The difference between .01-.10 is nothing. We need 2-7 dollar stock.