I meant produce the metal silver at a current loss, not net of byproducts. But, as this issue is now on the table: Q1 the POS was slightly over 20 bucks, on average. Q4 it may well be at about its current price, slightly over 15 bucks. This is a massive difference. I think the mine at LN is about 50/50, silver to other metals. Yes, I am guessing that for Q4 of 2014, they are mining silver at a huge loss, and all metals at a loss as well, throwing in the other ones. One thing we do not know is layoffs that might affect and exist for Q4.