Thanks, Red. SCAMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ??? What did the old Wendy's lady say? Wheres the beef??? Well, were is the scam? if they are scamming, doing a pretty pitifull job of it. All still own their shares. No pump, so no dump ( Please no more about APS, that was almost 2 years ago. Dead issue, leave it be. ) Plus they gained nothing from that. Thier shares were restricted at the time. Right now I still believe Giles and co. still are trying to make this work, he has 170 mil shares, pretty big incentive to me. The products are real. Zero question about that. Why the hell they are having so much trouble getting them to market, do not know. ( Wheelies being about $3500 ea. that is still a major problem. But the " Yes " and Meter? They should have been out there by now. Where is all this going in the future? Damned if I know. But as I said before, I'm in this for the long hall. Good, bad, somewhere inbetween.