There are penny stocks that are loosing 6, 7, 8 cents a share and still trading in the pennies. According to E-trade ILIV is loosing .00409 cents a share. Its a penny stock, and its my favorite one, but, its still a penny stock and I know what my risks are. As far as the web sites, who f'n knows. Time will tell. I know this post is all over the place but I cant seem to put my thoughts down they way I want. And Hell, I aint even been drinkin.