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Tuesday, 08/05/2014 12:46:12 AM

Tuesday, August 05, 2014 12:46:12 AM

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Why Israel is not a democracy BY TIM WISE
Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 10:00
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Religion, zionism and secularism - Ehud Ein-Gil
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Palestinian leader: Gingrich’s comments ‘the most racist I’ve ever seen’
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Kuwait urges world to pressure Israel withdraw from Arab occupied territories .. Politics 10/27/2011
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SURPRISE! Netanyahu suggests new settlement freeze unlikely
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"“Our freedom! Our freedom!” he replies fervently. “We are a people exiled and held under the yoke of tyranny. We number nearly four million. Three million of us now live in exile—in the West Bank and Gaza, as well as in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, the Persian Gulf countries, and in scattered groups throughout the world. Only six hundred thousand of us remain in that part of Palestine that became Israel.

[...]

“For thirteen years, the Israelis have chosen not to hear us and not to see us. An Israeli premier, Golda Meir, said ‘There are no Palestinian people.’ But ignoring us does not make us go away. Nor will the Israelis prevent our attaining national independence.
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oh good .. one with a settlement map which, as they all do, shows clearly Israel's theft by force of Palestinian land .. bits ..

Look at this list of settler-initiated crimes against Palestinians in the last few weeks
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[.. the alternative .] Israel Palestine One State .. the only solution ..
The only satisfactory solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict is a one-state solution, which is antithetical to Zionism.
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Why don't Arabs welcome their Palestinian Arab brothers?
Posted on August 2, 2001

To accept compulsory population transfer in principle would set a dangerous precedent for international relations, and many nations would use such an excuse to cleanse themselves from "unwanted minorities". In other words, if it is accepted in principle that one can transfer and dispossess the Palestinian people so that Jews can have a "Jewish state," then

Why would it be unacceptable to "transfer" 10 million Mexican Americans to Mexico? or
To "transfer" a million Kosovan Albanians to Albania?, or
Even to "transfer" 6 million American Jews to the "Jewish state"?

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Hamas and Israel's "Right to Exist" .. YT Insert: [inside]

By VIRGINIA TILLEY

To the great consternation of most of the world, the European Union, followed now by Norway and Canada, has halted payments to the Hamas-led government of the Palestinian Authority (PA). The stated reason is that Hamas has not recognized Israel's "right to exist" or "renounced violence," but the action so violates all common sense that its logic requires our closer scrutiny.

Let us first be clear: no conceivable good can come from this policy. It will slash the PA's capacity to govern a shattered and desperate population. It will wreck the capacity of Hamas to mediate and contain tense factional divides. It could even demoralize and destroy the Palestinians' long-standing commitment to democracy, ruining Palestinian political stability and therefore any possibility of peace negotiations. So why impose sanctions that can only result in dangerous disintegration of the political situation?

A certain withered diplomatic logic does underlie this measure. The PA itself was invented in 1995 to administer Oslo's implicit two-state solution. Hamas's refusal to recognize Israel's "right to exist" would seem to negate the diplomatic agreement that established the terms of its own authority. Until it agrees to those terms, the international community might deem that Hamas has rendered the PA's legitimacy uncertain.

Unfortunately for its proponents, this rationale has crashed on one glaring pitfall: the premise that Israel itself supports the terms of Oslo or the Road Map. Prime Minister Olmert has openly declared the "Road Map" a dead letter. His stated policy of "ingathering" settlers into the major West Bank settlement blocs is accepted by everyone as signaling Israel's intent permanently to annex major portions of the West Bank. The advancing Wall and settlement construction are ample material evidence that this plan is Israel's real program and is already half-achieved. No one disagrees that these developments signify permanent territorial dismemberment of any Palestinian "state." No one disagrees that the terms of Oslo have vanished like the morning mist.

It must therefore be evident even to the EU, Norway, and Canada that Israel has negated the diplomatic agreement that established the terms of its recognition by the Palestinians. So why pretend that Israel has not openly cast onto the trash heap of history the very peace deal that these countries now insist Hamas endorse?

The first answer is too obvious to belabor: craven capitulation to US pressure.
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Israel does not want peace
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.. they don't want peace could be taken as the broadest reason "Why Israel Lies" .. toward that will-it-ever-end?

"There is a perverted logic to Israel’s repeated use of the Big Lie—Große Lüge—the lie favored by tyrants from Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin to Saddam Hussein. The Big Lie feeds the two reactions Israel seeks to elicit—racism among its supporters and terror among its victims." [my emphasis]

hi, common_man, i had a list from another day .. couple there from it, and others, as i was prompted to look for a report of West Bank
settlers putting garbage into Palestinian drinking water .. could be in the crimes of a week one above, not sure, haven't checked, yet ..











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