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"Dumbass"? Your knickers are in a twist because he called someone a "dumbass"? Fine for people to call me genocidal scum (and I never complained about it), but "dumbass" has you all worked up? Some people can't seem to post here without insulting whomever, personally and viciously, but this is where you draw the line?
Put on your big boy pants, sticks and stones. You continue to make the case for not being taken seriously.
It’s important to note that thousands of Israelis have been in the streets these past few days demonstrating against Netanyahu and his murderous right wing coalition.
Interesting also to observe that there have been no demonstrations, to speak of , against Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran. Why do you suppose that is?
It’s refreshing to see that most people in Gaza and Lebanon and Iran have no serious problems with their government. What’s the downside, after all, with “death to America”?
You want to talk "genocidal scum"? Here's genocidal scum:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/02/world/europe/hamas-tunnels-war-documents.html
"Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, approved spending $225,000 to install blast doors to protect the militia’s tunnel network from airstrikes and ground assaults."
Thank goodness that money wasn't needed for medical supplies or infrastructure repair for Gazans.
p.s. - America supplied arms to Turkey which used them to slaughter Kurds. America supplied arms to Saudi Arabia which used them to slaughter Yemenis and do fun stuff like this:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/21/saudi-arabia-mass-killings-migrants-yemen-border
Cue the campus protests and mass demonstrations.
From Charlie Savage's review of Steve Coll's new book, The Achilles Trap, in the NYRB digital issue, online, coming out in print in the issue of 9/19/24:
"The United States turned a blind eye to and at times actively helped obfuscate Iraq’s use of poison gas—an internationally banned weapon of mass destruction—against both Iranian soldiers and Kurdish villages; in Coll’s assessment, from 1984 to 1988 the US “not only accepted but also effectively collaborated with Saddam Hussein’s use of chemical weapons” "
"According to a study by the Costs of War project at Brown University’s Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, the two decades of warfare in Iraq and Syria cost American taxpayers some $2.9 trillion, counting military operations, humanitarian assistance, and costs like veterans’ care and interest on the portion of the national debt attributable to direct wartime spending. "
"About half a million Iraqis and Syrians were killed."
"the fact that Iraq’s parliament in 2022 exercised its democracy by passing a law that prohibits Jews from joining the Iraqi military or having public sector jobs and imposes penalties up to a death sentence on activities promoting the normalization of relations with Israel."
So, please, you smug, whiney fucking assholes, please tell us again how Israel is a uniquely, criminal apartheid state, worthy of BDS, and is committing genocide on an unheard scale (ooh, but The Intercept).
Oh, but it's your tax dollars - globalize the intifada!. And then these guys are proud of having served in the American military? Ignorant whiney fucking assholes!
Article by a Palestinian human rights activist:
https://www.newsweek.com/my-fellow-palestinians-stop-blaming-jewshamas-starving-our-brothers-sisters-gaza-opinion-1875962
"The real victims of Hamas's governance are the ordinary people of Gaza, who endure the consequences of their rulers' bloodthirsty actions. The youth, facing unemployment rates that are among the highest in the world, see their futures evaporate in an economy stifled by mismanagement and artificially exacerbated conflict. The sick suffer from a health care system in disarray, with hospitals overwhelmed and under-resourced, in part due to the diversion of medical supplies to serve Hamas's fighters and the repurposing of these healing spaces into military command centers."
You'll probably file this under "more Zionist b.s." The students at Columbia, and The Intercept have a much better idea of the reality of the situation.
Rachel Klein, the 24 year old college student? Now there's a learned and worldly source! Did you even bother to read up about this rabbi?
https://andybachman.substack.com/p/a-difficult-and-necessary-truth
"Had I not been disrupted, I might have had a chance to condemn the government of Benjamin Netanyahu and his criminal settler enterprise, which I have persistently done; I might have had a chance to articulate my position of ceasefire twinned with a full return of hostages, the removal of Hamas and the removal of Netanyahu’s government; I might have had a chance to state my belief that most Israelis and most Palestinians still prefer peace and coexistence to war, bloodshed and mass death"
"He cautioned against slogans that call for the eradication of Palestine as well, vehemently advocating for a two-state solution."
Wow, that's a dangerous Zionist.
You gotta know when to hold them and when to fold them. No matter how many times I write that I think Netanyahu and the WB settlers belong in prison, you make believe I support them. I'm done trying to find whatever bits of decency might reside in you. Haters gonna hate and that's you, Boo Boo.
A retired rabbi who advocates for a two state solution is hardly a David Duke
If it was some crazy WB settler rabbi, I would agree with you but that’s not the case in this case
His crime was, apparently, believing that Israel has a right to exist
What the fuck are you talking about?
Can you get through a post without calling names and by clearly expressing yourself? I check in here every once in a while, so I’m sure there’s a lot that I miss but what’s with your relentless hostility?
Are you claiming there’s been previous commentary on this article and I ignored it?
When you call people names you are not diminishing them, you are diminishing yourself. Overall, not a good look
This rabbi was well known as a progressive and advocate for a Palestinian state. But, because he also advocates for a Jewish state he was cancelled.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/21/nyregion/powerhouse-books-andy-bachman-event-cancelled-zionist.html
A purity test, you gotta love it, and congrats, we don't need no genocidal scum around here.
This seems hard for me to get this point across, I guess it's me. No one is excusing anything. I'm pointing out that this isn't a singular event but it's getting an outsized amount of attention. That much worse is happening currently in half a dozen countries, at least.
Who said it was ok, I said it happened and there was never any accountability. And that it was ok in the eyes of the rest of the world.
Your reading comprehension sucks but you're excellent with the pointless insults. On the other hand, I suppose I should feel flattered that someone who knows more about the international order than I ever can hope to (your words), deigned to comment on one of my posts. It's like getting a Taylor Swift shout out from the stage at one of her concerts.
I can't imagine a world in which most people don't find you tiresome.
I don't look at them as stupid whataboutisms so much as context.
The question remains, what is the statute of limitations on colonial era crimes?
Many of the anti-Zionists on this board undoubtedly live on land stolen from Indians. They prosper in an economy whose foundation was formed on the backs of slaves. And they're descended from European countries who brutalized indigenous people for gold and sugar and whatever else. All cool, let bygones be bygones.
Who, exactly, are these people to cop an attitude about Israel? It was ok for everyone else to do it, but once Israel does the same, to a much lesser degree, it's a war crime? It was fine for Muslims to conquer their way up into Spain, for King Leopold to claim 1 millions square acres in Congo for his personal use? For Germany to do their original Holocaust in SE Africa? The British Crown used to own 1/6 of the land on the planet, their remorseless royals are still living it up on interest from capital accrued from slave plantations. Fine for the US military to napalm Vietnamese (to what end exactly), overthrow elected governments in various countries (the Dulles Bros) and pointlessly invade Iraq?
And there's never been any accountability for any of it. Why exactly was it ok for the US to invade Iraq but not ok for Israel to invade Gaza (after they were attacked)? Explain. And if it was not ok for America to invade Iraq how is it that we've all seemed to have forgotten about it. So I guess we'll all forget about Israel invading Gaza in 20 years, too. 18 years after WWII ended, JFK pronounced, "ich bin ein Berliner" Think about that.
Either you have no sense of historical relativity or you're just single mindedly anti-Israel. That's why I keep bringing up Australia, to remind you that you're just as fucked up as everywhere else and your opinions about Israel's supposed crimes against humanity have no moral standing and are hypocritical.
I doubt very much you pored through all my posts looking for all my criticisms on America. Or you missed them, but I'm not searching through them all, that's for sure. Offhand, I can remember several back and forths about segregation's remnants but that's as hard as I'm going to try.
But you have to think about the context of the anti-Zionist / pro-Palestinian demonstrations in this country. Is camping on campuses or chanting silly slogans or disrupting speeches going to change policy? Even though the participants pretend that it might, it won't, and everyone else knows it, so I think there have to be other motivating factors, beyond increasing sales of keffiyehs.
As far as I know, none of the protestors has been revealed to have given substantial sums of money to Gazans, none are going there to volunteer on medical teams or to deliver food or to, even, fight for their cause. Or very few. And while we've seen many ex-pat Ukrainians and Americans going to fight against Russia and we've seen many Israeli Americans and Americans going to fight against Hamas, the Hamas fan club is content to remain a theater piece.
So, what's the point, who benefits from these media oriented proceedings? I would venture a guess that it's part of a larger plan to create dissension among democrats to enable a Trump victory. By no impartial standards is this a genocide or is there apartheid in Israel (any worse than in America). These are ideas that attempt to be dog whistles on social media but are discounted by anyone with half a brain. (I mean, Genocide Joe? Who thinks that's clever?)
The genocide I see is by the Hamas leaders who have become billionaires by stealing aid money from their people, starving them and depriving them of medical supplies, and are using those same people as shields in a war while their brave fighters hide underground in tunnels.
The Palistinian American people who claim that won't vote for Harris are shooting themselves in the foot. As if enabling a victory by a guy who wanted to ban Muslims and who's Netanyahu's butt buddy will help their cause. So who gains by this?
I have posted on the ongoing discrimination in this country, sorry you missed it or forgot.
It's an ongoing concern of mine as, historically, I'm no fan of white people or of America. Don't believe the hype.
“Hey, you know something people?
I'm not black
But there's a whole lots a times
I wish I could say I'm not white”
- frank zappa
While America has obviously made some strides in the racial bias department, we can still count on the police to continue to murder and imprison black people in disproportionate numbers. Just like the good old days and, apparently, like Australia. I'm reading a book now about the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII, a sobering account. How Americans can feel even slightly like they're entitled to take the moral high ground is a mystery. About anything. I believe it's called hypocrisy.
But, seriously, folks, I have a good friend who's married to an Aussie and they spend 6 months a year in Melbourne. I hear good things about the place, of course, and if you could only move the country a little closer to here, I might visit for a while.
You know, you Aussies continue to show us the path forward:
Gee, who didn't see this coming:
https://becketnewsite.s3.amazonaws.com/20240813183534/injunction.pdf
From this doc:
"In the year 2024, in the United States of America, in the State of California, in
the City of Los Angeles, Jewish students were excluded from portions of the UCLA
campus because they refused to denounce their faith. This fact is so unimaginable and
so abhorrent to our constitutional guarantee of religious freedom that it bears repeating,
Jewish students were excluded from portions of the UCLA campus because they refused
to denounce their faith. UCLA does not dispute this"
Even the most anti_Zionist amongst this crowd can see that they weren't required to denounce Zionism, but to denounce their faith.
It will be ineteresting to see which colleges get sued by Russian students for not allowing them on campus because of protests of the genocide they're committing in Ukraine.
Every war, always, is a continuous series of war crimes? Why do you guys not get this?
That’s at least part of the reason that neither Iran or Hezbollah have retaliated. Because they know their people will suffer and cities destroyed and they care about the hardship this would impose
Unlike Hamas, who have taken all Gazans hostage to their suicidal death cult. They knew this would happen when they started this war because everyone knew this would happen
Oh gee, the subhuman who asked me if I thought Hitler had the right idea weighs in
This is a bit off topic, but have you tried fucking yourself lately? You really should try it
Why are you so obsessed with this war, it’s weird. You can’t even claim, like the sillies, that you object to it because your tax money is going towards it
Israel is fighting for its existence, unlike, say, Australia, which sent forces to fight in Vietnam just for shits and giggles.
William Calley recently died and here you are acting like war crimes were just invented by Israelis
Wait, are they saying that Israel is doing exactly the same thing that Hamas has been doing?
It's all wrong, of course, sickening, but what's the difference between this and Hamas fighters hiding in schools and hospitals, using Gazan civilians as human shields?
Have you read any interviews with the released hostages? Invariably, they describe being held in peoples' homes, hospitals, and / or refugee centers. Which makes them all victims of war crimes and makes those places legitimate targets.
Take the attack on the school recently. School was not in session, the building was occupied by jihadists. But suckers like you have been consistently buying Hamas' bullshit since day one. They can't find all the hostages but 30 seconds after an Israeli attack they can publish the exact number of killed.
And for fuck's sake, again and again. In what war since, ever, have the civilian populations not been victims of war crimes? Now, do Syria and Congo and China. Did you read the article by Filkins in The New Yorker that I mentioned? The one where the leader of Hezbollah, states that Hamas doesn't care about Palestinian residents of Gaza, about their well being? I didn't think so.
You get that this is satire, right? Surely you made the effort to vet your source
From the author’s website:
https://www.normalisland.co.uk/
Hmmm, maybe not, you take The Intercept seriously
None of them are Democrats?
https://selectcommitteeontheccp.house.gov/media/editorial/why-do-young-americans-support-hamas-look-tiktok
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-do-so-many-young-people-support-hamas/amp/
https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/04/06/parker-why-do-americans-un-support-hamas-terrorists/amp/
Yes, Netanyahu is bad, a war criminal but your analogy is ludicrous. Not even going to engage you about this, but I might suggest you widen the scope of your source material.
Tel Aviv has a huge Pride festival, Hamas pushes gays off rooftops. Sounds pretty identical to me.
Compare the lives of Muslim Israelis to Palestinian Jews and let me know what you think.
Is there any truth to the rumor that when Haniyeh was killed with his bodyguard in Tehran they were in bed together?
That they couldn't live in Gaza because they would have been executed, as is routinely done to out queer people there?
This is what I've heard, although I've haven't seen it mentioned in The Intercept, yet.
It appears that the attacks on concertgoers planned for the Taylor Swift shows in Vienna were instigated by some guys under the influence of ISIS and Al Qaeda. Although these groups are just cousins of Hamas in the death cult jihadist family, an attack on people simply enjoying some music is very
Hamas-y.
For those of you who've climbed on the "global intifada" bandwagon, this is a sneak preview of what you'll get. Unless, of course, it turns out that some hostages were actually being held in tunnels below the venue.
Sure, Israel bad! but sometimes you have to go with the least bad selection. Anyway, enjoy!
Ben-Gurion from almost 100 years ago? How about what Andrew Jackson said about the Indians? Are you going to claim that's relevant to current American domestic policies, too?
"I am far more aware of the political situations in the world than you ever will be."
That might or might not be true. What is true is that you're far more of a pompous ass than I will ever be. (I mean did you actually write that?)
https://goodjobsfirst.org/this-is-how-american-taxpayers-subsidize-international-conflict/
"Arms dealers don’t just profit from the federal government. State and local governments also routinely use taxpayer dollars to issue economic development grants and tax breaks to support the production of equipment"
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/pressroom/articles/2023/04/19/ordinary-americans-subsidize-military-industrial/
"This year (2022), the average American taxpayer paid $1,087 just for Pentagon contractors alone — a sum representing twenty-one days of work for the average person and four times what they contributed to K-12 education ($270). They also paid approximately $74 for the maintenance of nuclear weapons, while just $43 went to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). An average taxpayer gave $298 to the five largest military contractors, while only $19 went to programs concerned with mental health and substance abuse."
Again with the apartheid and again I ask you. Do Arabs in Israel have to take separate mass transit, have to go to separate hospitals, have to eat at separate restaurants? Can they vote, be members of the Knesset, be doctors and teachers, go to university ? You continue to demonstrate that you use the word as a dog whistle without fully comprehending its meaning.
What you seem not to know or won’t acknowledge is how heavily subsidized the American defense industry is with American taxpayer money. When the Saudis bomb Yemen from a fighter jet bought from us, you helped pay for that.
I don’t know from whom India buys their ordinance but if it’s from us, you paid for that, too
I’ll remind you that the BDS movement began long before we supplied Israel with the bombs for this war. Isn’t India doing the same thing to Kashmir that Israel is doing in the WB?
Just to be clear, neither is acceptable, but only one of those countries faces significant backlash for doing so. I don’t know of any resolutions passed by the UN condemning India
Your response is a bit glib.
This article is in the current issue of the NYRB and discusses a change in policy. It’s not decades old but you seem to feel Kashmir is not worthy of your concern
Modi was recently seen in a photo hugging Putin in Moscow. You ignore the implications of India’s recent maneuvers at your own peril.
By your logic, we should ignore the reality of an increased repression of a population if it started a certain number of years ago? You prove my point that Israel is held to a unique standard
I hope the protests about this on campuses this fall don't get too out of control:
https://www.nybooks.com/online/2024/07/21/kashmir-crackdowns-and-plunder/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NYR-080324-Mir_BE&utm_content=NYR-080324-Mir_BE+CID_2ebb16bae0e375826a21d1416ae41d05&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_term=a%20dispatch%20for%20the%20NYR%20Online%20about%20the%20Indian%20governments%20attacks
BDS India. Just wait until the ICC gets its hands on Modi. And, I understand that you can buy Kashmiri flag scarves on eBay, too!
This story has been eclipsed, obviously, since your post by the killing of the Hamas guy in Tehran.
About what you posted, Dexter Filkins reports from Beirut in the current issue of The New Yorker. The spokesman for the top guy in Hezbollah says they don’t want an all out war with Israel because it would destroy Lebanon and they care about the Lebanese people. He contrasts that with the leaders of Hamas, who he says, don’t care about the well being of Palestinians or what happens to Gaza. At all. I can’t post a link but it’s pretty easy to find.
About the killing in Tehran, the ruling claque there must be shitting themselves. The Intel on this guy’s location most likely came from either inside Hamas or Iran. This could be another sign that people in Iran are done with their government spending all their money on exporting terrorism as the quality of life there dramatically declines and would welcome the government being overthrown. We’ve seen glimpses of this recently, but this takes it to a new level.
Or, maybe, possibly, Israel has people who have infiltrated a higher level of the Iranian government. Regardless, the Supreme Leader and Co., now know they’re in deep doodoo, that their tickets to martyrdom can probably be punched at any time
Remember Stuxnet?
So you banned me (temporarily) for calling someone “pond scum” but you were totally fine with someone(s) calling me “genocidal scum”? No need to worry about anyone ever calling you “even handed”
And now, with Turkey threatening to invade the Zionist entity, you and your cohort here must be thrilled at the increasing possibility of the demise of that illegitimate state.
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/07/29/turkeys-president-threatens-military-action-against-israel/
Let me ask you this: why would you want to go all in on a group that executes people for the crime of being queer? That’s some set of principles you got there.
p.s. - after explaining that I had several family members killed by the Nazis, the guy asked me if I thought Hitler was right. Ban me again , but that is the actual personification of pond scum
And where they’re holding hostages and firing rockets from
If you don’t want a fucking war don’t start a fucking war, there are no Marquis of Queensbury rules for war
You cool with the Hamas attack in October?. Tell me, General, how would you have handled the response? How has every other country in history dealt with a similar problem?
How about if some Mexicans do a raid into Texas then go hide back in Mexico in schools and hospitals with hostages. Would you expect us to keep asking them nicely to return our guys?
What if that same group of Mexicans had published manifestos specifically stating their aim is the destruction of America?
Are you obtuse? I had many family members killed by the Nazis and you asked me if I thought Hitler was right.
Do you see Israel shipping Palestinians from other countries in cattle cars to Gaza to be killed?
Please fuck off.
Whatever, I’ll try to cope. But I responded to you respectfully, so there’s that.
Did you ever think about telling a black person whose family was enslaved that slavery was great?
That’s what the other used condom said to me
No names at random, don’t know what you mean
Anyway, you guys seem to have the domestic politics side of things pretty well covered, not sure what I can add
It will be Harris, and, maybe, hopefully, Raskin, and they will kick MAGA ass. My first choice for VP is Jeffries but they ain’t gonna run 2 dark skinned people
Well you hate Israel, think it’s a Zionist entity , and it’s being attacked on 3 fronts. So for you committed anti-Zionists, it’s a great time to be you.
Anyway, when did the war with Yemen start, it was a Houthi rocket, no? I guess this starts it and when Israel strikes back you can trot out your genocidal scum thing again. For you it will be a win/ win.
And the Israelis should really leave and go back to Poland, anyway, right?
So how thrilled are you that a rocket hit Tel Aviv? I’ll bet, very.
12 hours of comments by 6 or 7 people.
You know, maybe it you don’t always tell people with different opinions how wrong and stupid they are, more would feel comfortable joining in. Maybe if it’s not always your way or the highway? Asking for a friend.
The quote from antiquity at the bottom of your posts remains humorous, too bad you can’t appreciate the irony
Beneath contempt. You. Fuck off