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they say 1B
but that is POST R/S split count
the ceiling is being raised - just a question of how much
A 40/1 R/S effectively ultimately would increase Nikola officer’s share value x4.
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So - you are suggesting NKLA is going to award officers ---- 100MM new post RS shares?
I did not see that in the materials but I only skimmed
but yes - it will be allowed - possilbe with the new much high authorized share count
not sure if it is always 4X -- or is that dependent on the actual ratio of the R/S
and do they - management - not get a loss exactly like us !!!! on all shares they hold already --- i.e. R/S is bad as it will decline - say 20% - just "because" post R/S. Do they - management - not suffer the same haircut?
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they reduce the outstanding count
and indeed - have said the authorized count will drop to 1B
but with say a 1:10 reverse split - that means 1B is the same as 10B of the old - current shares - as a cap
they will have to issue shares is what they are saying
IMO
we will agree this particular group of 9 is shist
AND
AND
they both keep passing super stringent safety of capital TESTS !!!
but alas - still in jail
I do not see why WTS are dead or gone
And - the real issue re dilution ---- is the LP anyway - huge monster of 60B-120B share dilution --- not 4B
YES
Combine some good real news on F and F with some ??? about lowering mortgages etc. and heavy PR
sitting there waiting to be done !!!1 (indeed was available to DJT as well - so maybe I am missing something obvious)
YES
FNMA and FREDDIE sit as ripe and ready PR for Biden
(and as I noted prior - use Executive authority to suspend the FEE for 12 months ---- so interest rates drop right that day!!)
GREAT
GREAT
Is this administration - maybe building on prior and ? prior and ? -- building the case - step by step that - say in 2025
NOW -- BECAUSE the F and F you see/get are reformed and improved and fat with cash - NOW we can free them ?
I would love that
(and then as always - what happens to the LP $ of 300B is key)
The one piece about MIKE
Arguing to make them GOV -- in essence and agency --- is not illogical
Private - GOV regulated Monopoly privately owned utility - Agency
With any proposal to NOW --- NOW -- make them an agency ---- I hope we (equity of any sort) can then AGAIN bring up the TAKING - and use Charter act or whatever and focus away from NWS which is where we lost
Just thinking out loud - that becoming an agency via a PAID FOR taking - is fine by me --- (That is GOV policy beyond me - but we should get paid some average of PPS for the three months prior to Paulson Bush taking us (and then three more Presidents or administrations equally guilty by lack of reversal !) GOV has the right to take my store to build a needed and approved highway on my plot - but they must pay for that when they take it. YES - I view all of this as a TAKING (if not defacto by now) without the quid pro quo required - payment to us for taking these profitable companies away from Equity ownership
YUP
As I understand it ---- for purposes of the claims court and the case that went to SCOTUS (same or not?) ---- the thought process was something like --- NWS is so insanely obviously illegal - "on its face a taking" (all our equity profit?) --- that it was best to attack at what was viewed as the most vulnerable GOV action (BO starting the NWS - all profit) . We lost . Yet I am not sure there was no logic there at thinning the issue to one viewed by the plaintiffs and their attorneys as the most blatant clear illegal act
Others have argued for 5 10 ++ years they suits should have gone after HERA ---- I assume Charter Act and ... and
That is way beyond me --- . I see the logic of that!!!! I also see the logic of trying to slice off what was viewed as the most vulnerable action by GOV
Lawyers did not prove themselves right or particularly able? We suffered and they got paid
again
for those who want facts
Bush started it all and we all know that --- we can remember the day
And DJT was there as POTUS for four years between Obama and Biden
so the factual sentence - if we want to use the word swindle is Bush Obama Trump Biden administrations swindled $301B .....
So
in your view it is not corrupt courts as many posit
it is not the way HERA was written
but inept and or corrupt lawyers who "threw" the argument - by filing the wrong claims and then not lawyering well after that?
Personally - hard for me to believe the big money people who hired and paid the lawyers were that stupid??
how does a RS - alone - reduce the % of equity Trevor owns?
new shares - as NKLA went from 600MM to 1.3MM or whatever dilute role of TREVOR
but a reverse split of existing shares does not change % ownership e.g. 20:1 - if you had 20 shares and now 1 share - you have same % of the total number of shares - ownership
or do I miss something ?
I hated the first ruling but bluntly - I saw the logic - even if I disagreed - given HERA said in plain language English COURTS STAY AWAY
I do not understand - at all - how SCOTUS was so blind and stupid or ? in how they ruled that all - all - was 100% kosher
nonsense and shame on them
By then it was clear ---- for sure IMO - that the property we owned had been taken illegally - and SCOTUS said - nope - all good
That is where we saw Loblaw ? as it tests out H trucks from NKLA?
Agree
Hard to buy - if the odds are say 3:1 of a reverse split and then say a 20% "market adjustment down"
My guess - but with some reading along the way - is that NKLA management NOW does not own that much of the stock. Think of the 600MM shares or so that came from (?) debt converted to equity etc. I doubt management has even 100MM shares
so - what is the Finnish or ? bank?
Not surprised Bosch is "here"
I thought they make a "part" used by NKLA and Iveco in the current H trucks?
Guido
lots of truth
but leaving out BUSH and PAULSON who did the actual steal and jumping over four years of DJT
simply is dishonest
YUP
Agree
However - I could take just about any JUDGE with 10 plus years experience and show the number of times they beat up on GOV
That is the key point
Few Judges - that high up - are afraid to judge as they see the facts
Now as to his very first Fannie Decision - turns out he was right - our fight was with HERA and CONGRESS and SCOTUS and 30 other cases agreed --- unfortunately !!!!
Here holding the payment up is wrong
Math please
I assume the P/E you are suggesting is logical is on the high side
$25 - a sort of pre steal average - even in the rocky times?
Jul 01, 2008 19.1500 19.9600 6.6800 11.5000 11.4252 2,272,095,000
Jun 01, 2008 26.7800 27.8100 19.2300 19.5100 19.3831 386,690,900
May 01, 2008 28.3600 31.4800 26.1100 27.0200 26.8443 511,300,900
Apr 28, 2008 0.35 Dividend
Apr 01, 2008 28.0000 32.3100 24.6600 28.3000 27.7978 352,297,800
Mar 01, 2008 27.6900 35.5000 18.2500 26.3200 25.8530 735,943,700
Feb 01, 2008 33.8500 36.3000 25.3200 27.6500 27.1594 398,550,600
Jan 29, 2008 0.35 Dividend
Jan 01, 2008 40.2000 40.2000 29.1400 33.7800 32.8291 336,372,700
Dec 01, 2007 38.5100 40.4500 30.6600 39.9800 38.8546 271,914,800
Nov 01, 2007 56.4100 56.4100 26.3800 38.4200 37.3385 474,933,700
agree
and was this introduced in a court case and viewed as immaterial (post Presidency ?)
Says NO to EO by POTUS - BO
Sherley v. Sebelius
In August 2010, Lamberth issued a temporary injunction blocking an executive order by President Barack Obama that expanded stem cell research. He indicated the policy violated a ban on federal money being used to destroy embryos,[14] called the Dickey–Wicker Amendment.[15] Susan Jacoby complained that his decision was more a reflection of his politics than a rigorous interpretation of the Dickey–Wicker Amendment.[16]
SEEMS To ME that saying he is a company man is based on a lack of simple research - as all these anti GOV actions took me - an old man - about two minutes to find
Again = not a friend of GOV in these cases - interestingly appears to want more information public?
Guantanamo cases
Lamberth has presided over Guantanamo captives habeas corpus petitions.[9][10]
On December 29, 2016, Lamberth ordered the preservation of the full classified United States Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture.[11] The six thousand–page report had taken Intelligence Committee staff years to prepare. A six hundred–page unclassified summary was published in December 2014, when Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein chaired the committee, against objections of the Committee's Republican minority. Its publication stirred controversy. Limited copies of the classified report had been made, and human rights workers were concerned that the CIA would work to have all copies of the document destroyed.[ci
983 Beirut barracks bombing case
In May 2003, in a case brought by families of the two hundred forty-one servicemen who were killed in the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing, Lamberth ordered the Islamic Republic of Iran to pay US$2.65 billion for the actions of Hezbollah, a Shia militia group determined to be involved in the bombing in Beirut, Lebanon.[8]
Lamberth == appointed by RR --- one major case
apparently - not a company man - to the point they funked him
Cobell v. Kempthorne
Lamberth presided over Cobell v. Kempthorne, a case in which a group of Native Americans sued the U.S. Department of the Interior for allegedly mismanaging a trust intended for their benefit.[6] Lamberth, appointed to the bench by President Ronald Reagan, was known for speaking his mind and repeatedly ruled for the Native Americans in their class-action lawsuit. His opinions condemned the government and found Interior secretaries Gale Norton and Bruce Babbitt in contempt of court for their handling of the case. The appellate court reversed Lamberth several times, including the contempt charge against Norton. After a particularly harsh opinion in 2005, in which Lamberth lambasted the Interior Department as racist, the government petitioned the Court of Appeals to remove him, alleging that he was too biased to continue with the case. On July 11, 2006, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, siding with the government, removed Judge Lamberth from the case.[7]
Thank you for summary and pinpointing
Wait
My potential profit on GSE holdings is not enough reason to vote for DJT or JOE
There are major issues on the table
Pick and Choose but voting on GSE profit - unless you own 1,000,000 shares I guess - is missing the forest for the tree
Did not read
but
tons of corporations - like Oil companies and Builders are absolutely looking 10-20 years out to what climate change will have done to our USA land and such
it is smart -- and does not need to be political just good BUSINESS
e.g. it is my understanding that oil companies have major difficulty issuing 30 year bonds without a big boost on interest paid --- it just is the market (Same IMO if Tesla tried to issue 30 year bonds --- into the haze around EV)
oops
I tried to think but had no time ?
792454
why not have Freddie and FNMA for JPS pay to equity holders ?
such payment - if it ever where to occur goes to equity holders AND the decrease of cash or surplus at the GSE is meaningless ---- until there is freedom
This tiny payment does zero damage to the value of F and F that equity holders wish to get back IMO
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he listens to DOJ?
he listens to POTUS
he listens to Congress
what is a judge who is a company man --- as Lamberth has a long history -- and I am sure has decided against GOV in many many cases
Indeed
I was thinking about how one replaced a CEO - of an agency - where there is no oversight panel or committee
Indeed - point well taken
Still the question --- on GOV overreach
Congress overreached when they wrote it this way
POTUS overreached when they followed the legislation
Agency overreached when they followed the financing dictated by law
Indeed - self funding - if that is the issue - is not typical and seems wrong ---- but I simply do not include this in the category of overreach which is an interesting point of view in many many cases where IMO the EO is over reach or an agency goes to far with regulation ? or Congress passes law where it should not venture per the constitution
sorry
but the money here is not the issue
this is the ONE case where the actions by the GOV have been found to hurt EQUITY - to the point where GOV must pay
The direction and reality of the ruling matters --- not the pennies the judge allows
Is this GOV over reach or is it a ruling on ADDED EXECUTIVE power
Last I looked the EXECUTIVE is part of GOV and I thought the key issue is ability of POTUS to fire an hire at will?
??
yes
and I have never - ever - understood the way to make $$ on fuel in this sentence?
Voltera will site, build, own, and operate the strategically located, fit-for-purpose hydrogen refueling stations, and Nikola will supply the hydrogen fuel and provide technical expertise.
Motley Fool
not the dude with charts and such but another "analyst" - Leo Sun
the article concludes with -- oops - sell -- BUT BUT
this article shows he original expectation in trucks per year
the current situation - focus on 23
but does open the door wide to speculation -- that finally - and based on visible stuff --- this could be a year where NKLA shows its metal
very interesting article
When free - could be huge
3 or 4 years out?
warrants have not been satisfied
the GOV still has the right to exercise for about 4B shares
one can take them to court or whatever but that was all set up by HERA PAULSON and BUSH and nothing has changed