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LOL! You don't want to stir the old RSH pumpers, Louis. Next we'll be hearing again about drone stores, phone repair shops and Amazon pick up locations... all worth gobs... in Fantasyland.
By the way I checked and old RSH filed BK on February 5, 2015. Seems longer than that.
Is anyone still quoting a price on the bonds?
That is the old
That is the remainder of what was RSHCQ.
Basically, the only thing left is enough assets to pay off the admin costs with some people fighting over if they have a valid claim for admin fees or not.
The liquidation will probably be finished before the end of the year, but for the old common shares that does not matter since they are dead already.
Louis J. Desy Jr.
You talking about the old RSH or the newer scaled down General Wireless version?
liquidation dragging on
It looks like the liquidation is dragging on for months. The dead line for some administrative claims is something like June 30, 2017.
Louis J. Desy Jr.
Newspapers saying General Wireless plans to put what's left of Radio Shack into liquidation. Again we see how wrong the pumpers were.
I use to post on here so much. I remember shorting RSH in 2013 to early 2015. Many longs were in denial and kept faith that Radio Shack would some how by miracle come out of the ashes and fly back up.
Reason why I shorted RSH, it was based on several factors one was their out dated business model which gave Radio Shack a tremendous disadvantage against their competitors, poor financials, a suckers finance structures that were in place by the creditors and the heavy out flows of institution running for the exits.
I don't get how many longs kept holding on all the way down until Radio Shack common was finally incinerated.
This should be a learning lesson. Do your due diligence!
JMO
Yea I know I lost my money
This stock is done, someone bought them out. Shareholders got nothing.
What???? I thought they done, but I then read this article....
http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/blog/techflash/2015/12/actor-musician-nick-cannon-joins-radioshack-as.html?ana=yahoo
Thank you for this reply. I've always had a quality over quantity mindset and I will keep that same perspective when investing. As long as I am earning overall then I will be happy with that result.
"Why your favorite retailer didn't come back from bankruptcy"
"It's never good when a company has to resort to bankruptcy as a last-ditch effort for profitability. But for players in the retail industry, things are even more dire..."
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/22/
RSHCQ et al total assets $112.6 million. Total liabilities $768 million. As of October 1.
Lol. The commons were CANCELLED. Incinerated.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane, Louis. I have good memories of growing up with a Radio Shack in my neighborhood since I moved to Denver in 1965. Even as late as 2012, I had chance to go in looking for a pack of resistors to repair the odometer-shift selector light on the console board of my 1999 Buick Century. The clerk went to a huge cabinet and pulled out exactly the ones I needed. $2 of parts and a fine tipped soldering gun, with a (still) steady hand, got it fixed. Still works.
but there are no shares to have.....they don't exist anymore, that company is defunct.
I believe they will return. You must believe it too, Louis.
Not given up hope?
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and I hope you are kidding, but the old common shares are 'dead and buried'. That is why they stopped the trading on the RSHCQ in the middle of the trading day like they did. I do not not mean 'dead and buried' as an expression, I mean that in that the entity that issued the shares, no longer exists and the old common shares are now nothing. The only 'thing' left of the old company is its bankruptcy estate that will end once the case is over, but in any case the common shares no longer exist anymore.
Louis J. Desy Jr.
I feel your pain but I have not given up hope in the face of doubt or obvious despair. I still have the shares and I still believe that one day this will be back.
RSHCQ capital loss
At some point, I expect the brokerage firm will remove the shares from your account, and it should show up on the 1099-B form for tax year 2015 as a loss.
I think the process is that after the end of the tax year, at the latest, the brokerage firm will remove the shares from your account, and the 'closing out' of the position is recorded on the 1099-B form to you.
You should not need to do anything since it happened automatically as part of the shares being canceled and then delisted.
If you use any tax software, the transaction should automatically download into it.
Louis J. Desy Jr.
"when will they be deleted from my brokerage account and the capital gains loss appear? Or will they continue to remain in my brokerage account indefinitely until I do something with them"
How would we know? We don't even know who your broker is or what country it's in. Shouldn't you ask your broker?
Offhand, I'd think the zero valuation would remain for a long time. Otherwise some investors would wonder what happened to their RSH shares.
As for taking the loss on your taxes (RSHCQ became worthless in 2015), ask your tax advisor and not a stock bulletin board best known for scams.
I will repeat what I said a year ago: Smart investors dump deeply troubled investments early on... when they still have some flexibility.
your end of year statement will reflect the actions.its a wright off
I have a question about RSHCQ tax loss.
I owned some shares of RSH which turned into RSHCQ.
They are still listed in my brokerage account with a price of $0.00.
Since it seems RSHCQ shares have been cancelled, when will they be deleted from my brokerage account and the capital gains loss appear? Or will they continue to remain in my brokerage account indefinitely until I do something with them - and if I have to do something with them, what are my options?
Will I have to claim the capital gains loss this year for the RSHCQ shares?
Any information or input is greatly appreciated.
Wonder why people hang around?
I think part of the reason is that for many people, myself included, is that we never really though it (bankruptcy) could happen to Radio Shack, and even after the stock delisting, are still in shock at ‘how fast the end came’. I use to work for them part time, years ago (1980s and 1990s) and still had friends there right up until the end. In this last year, I went to visit some of them, January 2015, that I had not taken time to go see in years at their store, and to keep them informed of what was going on throughout the bankruptcy process, especially after their 'chain of command' started to break down as some managers, district managers and even regional managers were laid off without warning.
Back in the 1980s and 1990s, while the company did have its operating problems and did miss opportunities, the people that I talked with, and myself included, never really thought that the 'problems' would ever rise to the level of killing the entire company. We always though that the company would somehow always make enough money to always continue on, in spite of the mistakes that were made.
When I first started out there, early 1980s, everyone wanted to become a store manager. The only thing that you had to be able to do was to sell. If you could make the numbers, you could eventually get a store. After that, even in a small store, you could make $30K to $50K per year. (Would be like getting $60K to $100K today.) Even though you had to work at least 50 hours per week and all the hours during the holiday shopping season, as long as you did the numbers for sales, you were free to do what you wanted and left alone for the most part. (in later years this all changed as the pay scale went down and all kinds of metrics were constantly being pushed that ‘had to be meet’, such as extended warranty plans.) The prize was if you could move into one of the better stores. In the late 1980s, the top store in my district had the store manager making $75K/year salary plus another $75K as a bonus for the year; today that would be like making over $300K each year. There were a number of stores that had the manager making $60K to $80K per year; and that would be like making around $150K today. And this was for a job where the person didn't need years of college, or all kinds of credentials, they just needed to know the product and be able to sell.
One of the problems is that as time went on, the company ‘wandered’ from one thing to another, and also focused more on things like selling extended warranties instead of what the product was. At the first sign that a product line needed to change or be invested in, the company would starve it of funds, and as sales dropped in the product, drop it when they were no longer making any money on it. When I started there, the PC was just starting and they opened their computer centers. At first it was great, and many people got their first computer from Radio Shack, and they had a number of deals. One of my friends was the manager of a computer center that had a million dollar month due to the sale of a large order to a local school district. The problem is that the Radio Shack was usually at or near the highest price in its category. One of the exceptions was the Tandy 1000, which was PC Compatible and one of its biggest successes (I bought a Tandy 1000 in 1982 and it lasted for a number of years.). Then it was followed by the Tandy 2000, which was only partly compatible and ended up as the store computer for transmitting data to corporate. Eventually there was a Tandy 3000, which was PC Compatible but some of the lead was lost at that point. They had a number of innovative products and programs, like their own source version of RealWorld accounting ported to a Tandy 6000 multiuser system, running a version of Unix and FilePro database program. At the time, there was nothing comparable in that price range, but then over time they let these things and advantages slip away from them. Eventually the Tandy 6000 systems become replaced with systems running SCO Unix on a 286 or 386 at a much lower cost.
Even with all of the problems and missed opportunities, the company stock from the early 1980s to the late 1990s split a few times. One hundred shares in 1980, costing around $2,800 was worth something like over $70K at the height in the late 1990s. A store manager, who wisely saved his money and took part in the employee purchase program, could have a very good retirement if they were able to retire in the late 1990s. (And that was while still living what I would call an ‘upper middle class’ lifestyle. As an example, one of my friend’s had his own house, plus a house on a lake with a speedboat; and was planning on retiring to Aruba when he was 60. Unfortunately, he passed away within a year of his retirement but I am sure that his family will be ok financially and provided for from what he was able to save while working for the company.) There was still hope for the product line in the late 1990s/early 2000s. Cell phones were all over the place, and Radio Shack with its hundreds of locations could become the ‘go to’ place for cell phones, and later smart phones. Instead, the product line was ‘starved’ and employees where paid very little. As a result, any employee that had any product knowledge, left as soon as they were able to. I remember one telling story recounted to me one summer in the 2000s, where one of the employee remarked that they could make more money mowing lawns than working at the store that day! In past years, that would have never happened. I remember another coworker recounting to me how in the 1990s, he worked 20 hours per week at his store, and was making $30K per year, while still in college and not even working full time! (Plus he was able to sleep in most days and getting up for work did not interfere with going out at night since stores closed at 9:30pm and didn’t open until 10am. So, depending on your schedule, you could go to class or work late morning, all afternoon and into the early evening, and still have time to go out with friends or to parties until 2am and still get in a number of hours of sleep until you needed to get up the next day. And since the work of being a salesperson never required you to ‘take your work home with you’ there was never any problem about getting called in or having to work on work after hours.)
While many people use to think, ‘if the company keeps doing this (current bad practice) it is eventually going to kill the company; none of us ever though that could happen.
In the days leading up to the closing of my friends’ store, I use to run into old time customers of theirs and had the chance to talk with them for a while. Many of them seemed to miss a ‘company that no longer existed’ with all of the chances over the years and good people that had to go elsewhere in order to be able to make a living wage. At the end most managers were getting only around $40K, and that was at the best stores. Inventory and scheduling had been totally taken over by the computer system. Some stores were having trouble restocking batteries and running out of some kinds of batteries!
There was always some kind of inventory restrictions that got stricter and stricter as time went on. One of the stores I was at, the sales people were always amazed that the manager was able to have just enough of something that was selling so that they never missed a sale due to the store being out of stock. I remember a salesperson telling me that he would go back into the stock room not expecting to find the item that he just sold, and probably lose the sale as a result, but then, there would one of them be, right on the shelf!
At the end, in some places, it was almost like a flash back scene from ‘The Walking Dead’ showing how things went as ‘order broke down’; store shelves stripped down to nothing as though the place had been ransacked by looters, managers and salesmakers missing/laid off/fired, district managers and their assistants gone, even in some regions people could not get the regional manager on the phone, boxes arriving by UPS from a store that closed a few days prior to a store that was going to close that Saturday only to be informed that they were closing early on Thursday with no instructions on what to do with the 30+ boxes of inventory that had arrived from elsewhere
That is what I think is so shocking for many people, including myself. At the end, if there ever was an end, we expected it would be very orderly and everyone would have been informed, sort of comparable to order when the Shackleton Expedition had to abandonee their ship in the Antarctic (one scene from a TV series shows them washing the dishes and neatly restacking everything in the galley, even though it has been announced that is the last meal they are having on the ship and everyone is being urged to eat as much as possible since they can only take a limited amount of items with them onto the ice. As they are cleaning and putting the dishes away, one of the stewards asks why bother cleaning, since the ship is going to sink soon and the plates and such will all be lost, to the galley chief, who tells him that he never leaves or would leave the galley a mess).
Louis J. Desy Jr.
Yes - and sometimes its a matter of obviously not knowing what you don't know, like pp29, not realizing that the rabbit hole runs far deeper than ever imagined. Easy to develop a misconception as to how things work, especially if it becomes reinforced somehow.
Me neither. And there was no ignorance. The facts were posted here. With links from the company filings to prove it.
Just having some fun and SMH, as usual.
Maybe but I do not consider willful ignorance as an excuse.
If the mind is not capable of comprehending what is common sense to most of us, the party is not accountable for their action to the degree that we are.
Just do not look at your account value or you might learn something.
The act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty? That is one thing you hardly EVER see on message boards is feelings of guilt.
I find a high percentage of lack of Mens Rea in these badlands.
And folks wonder why people hang around.
To tell the truth.
Cancelled. Registration terminated. Delisted. DEAD!
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Cancelled, pp29. Cancelled. Ticker does not exist. No amount of wishful thinking can bring it back from non existence.
Not only cancelled, it went dark with this Form 15 filing. That was fast!
"CERTIFICATION AND NOTICE OF TERMINATION OF REGISTRATION UNDER SECTION 12(g) OF THE SECURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934 OR SUSPENSION OF DUTY TO FILE REPORTS UNDER SECTIONS 13 AND 15(d) OF THE SECURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934 " Date October 8, 2015
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/96289/000119312515340454/d41365d1512b.htm
It's delisted. Not canceled. Resumption will occur at some point. Be patient.
Understand that an active market remains for $300-million in face value RadioShack 2019 notes. But surely you know that as a fan of the recently cancelled common stock.
Ahhhhhahahahahaha . . . will you stay here as long as I do?
Why are you here still then? Your commons got cancelled out, as in game over. Worthless.
We will laugh as long as we like thanks.
Why are you here if they are canceled?
That is what cracks me up.. people are still chatting here and the board is still active for a defunked stock. That is what is really funny to me.
Lol. The common is cancelled forever. These boards crack me up.
I noticed you posted there a few times - just looked like you might be.
What do you mean still in phot?
yep....again good job
No symbol. Surviving stores and web operations are privately owned by a company called General Wireless which is owned by a hedge fund. Perhaps they hope to retool the business, enlarge it and go public far down the road. Or more likely, sell it to an existing business. (Amazon for example).
And yes, I notice that our numbers and chart were taken away.
is there a new symbol for the new company or is it private now
Remember that about 1500 RadioShack branded stores survive under the ownership of a different corporation. So with a slimmed down store base 1/4 the old size and a clean balance sheet someone is betting on RadioShack.
Of course they picked up the assets for peanuts and will probably do okay even if the chains dies in 10 years. The new owners don't even seem to be changing the product mix much. I was in a RadioShack a few weeks ago and it looked about the same. I'll be watching... and still shopping there occasionally.
And yes, I notice that our numbers and chart were taken away.
I don't see how anyone could expect it not to close down and it was well documented by you and master blaster....good job
Actually, 18 months ago as the stock dropped below a buck, most posters sided with the longshot hope that RSH could survive. One well researched article predicting the firm's demise was viciously attacked. I was ridiculed for suggesting that many balance sheet "assets" would be worthless in liquidation. Wild eyed gambler types hate references to financial filings.
Those early bulls are long gone from this board. Curiously, many aren't on IHUB anymore, including several players who claimed to have profited from playing RSH's occasional upticks.
lolol.....well, everyone knew it was coming.....bye bye radio shack.
Kewl!!! Still in PHOT ?
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On February 5, 2015, RadioShack Corporation and 17 affiliated debtors (collectively, the "Debtors") each filed a voluntary petition for relief under Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware. The Debtors' cases are pending before the Honorable Brendan L. Shannon and are jointly administered under Case No. 15-10197. Name was changed to RS Legacy Corporation on June 22, 2015.
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