iHub Investor Relations Professional (IRP)/Commercial Users Program

[Zorax]

Can anyone tell why we have to Pay $95 every month

We?

[IH Admin [Edward] (Retired)]

http://ihwiki.advfn.com/index.php?title=FAQ:Investor_Relations_Professional

[CrazyKar123]

Good Afternoon Commercial Users,
i fell that im Not IRP / Commercial User....
Can anyone tell why we have to Pay $95 every month

[IH Admin [Edward] (Retired)]

IRPs are still a thing.

[buyittradeit]

Are IRP's still a thing? I heard they it has become obsolete to hire posters.

[ShortPutCall]

My last arguement the ADMIN ended with 'CONVO IS DONE'

i wanted to reply, but i did not as I prob would have violated some rule. other then that i will not bow down or be nice to you becasue your an admin, when you respond in the same hostile manner.

ALSO, as this and all my complaints are in text, you can not read it, as im yelling or being rude, if i were able to voice my concerns verbally, it would be in a polite tone and manner. I think you just picture some person yelling and talking down to you like some employee. WHich is untrue

[ShortPutCall]

Not at all, but yes the right way to handle customers is to allow them to think that there right.

Reoercussions unless the customer physically assults you or commits a crime, there should be none. You usally curse and talk shit about the customer, when they leave.

also my arguments were not about my post being deleted, i argued about certain poster's post allowing to stay up when they violaate TOS. I always asked for fairness thats it.

[ShortPutCall]

90% of post are all of topic in some way, when you read the TOS the MODs need to take into consideration when a stand alone or response that is considered off-topic is ok and applys to the discussion.

example. BANK of AMERICA is a good company. I would like to ride that horse LONg.
BANK of AMERICA is a good company, I would like to ride that horse LONG.

*** I would like to ride that horse LONG"" off topic under TOS rules.

second one imo or, as one admin put it wouldnt be considered off topic.

[IH Geek [Dave]]

Understood. It's similar in kind to the retail customer who operates from the mistaken concept that "the customer is always right" and feels that gives them license to say and do anything without repercussion.

[ShortPutCall]

Iv never complained why my post were removed, as you can not argue TOs, However my complaint would be the person just bashed me, why isnt his comment removed, Then i get sent a link to TOS.

[ShortPutCall]

IMO Its called my personal opinion... you know when you ask for no mustard on your buger at mcdonalds, and you politely, tell them they made a mistake and to exchange it, and the counter person gives you the attitude like you are wrong??

[IH Geek [Dave]]

I haven't looked at your deleted posts, but given your missives I'll go out on a limb and speculate that your posts were off-topic and/or contained other TOS violations, as here.

Thats all your really gonna get, the Admins can not speak there mind as they say a wrong thing….. They just turn there heads and pretend they didnt see it, and reply with , "please read TOS page"

It may seem that the tail wags the dog, but rest assured that it only appears that way from the perspective of the tail.

[ShortPutCall]

i saw many people bashing IRp for not discloseing and complaining admins arent doing anything, so my post was agreeing about admins not doing anything. I was not complaing about deleated post, but telling a story of why imo admins are simply choseing to ignore things and send vague text book post in response to shut the person up, then say the convo is over! Does customer serivce not exist becasue, even though people complain bussiness is still good? thats fine. But my compaints never accused the admins of wrongdoing or said any vulgar statements at them.

[ShortPutCall]

shelly you were the most helpful. The thing is though, i have read the TOS, and you know that it's black and white just like any law that even a the best lawyer would viloate TOS. One of my post was consider off-topic becasuse it was supposed to be one sentence but i added a period before the last three words, and the admin said those three words were off topic. if i used a comma it would have been fine. When i argued about the premium boards, you could have told me that is her board, and i can make one too from the start. But i receive these text book answers that are to vague and a ploy to shut someone up. I admit when im wrong, I also knows what happens on this site, I only asked for fairness, when my post would get delated instantly and the guy that called me a jerk off take 15mins to get removed.

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

This board is for discussion of IRPs - not deletions, not Moderators, not iHub and not your silly conspiracy theories. Stick to discussion of IRPs or you will be banned from the board.

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

Guess what? If you read the TOS and then asked original questions, you would get something other than the standardized response.

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

Did you read any of the above?

If you are a Commercial user and you are using this site to conduct your business, then you join the IRP program in order to appropriately disclose your compensation.

iHub has not and does not pay anyone to post. People pay to post here.

[trunkmonk]

uh huh!

[ShortPutCall]

fannie/freddie even though on otcbb arent scams!!

[ShortPutCall]

i just started posting today on fnma. it was a differnt otc stock that i had inside information on. Its not about controling a board so do not take it there. its about favoritism. i can care less about my post being remove if offtopic as long as the other is too. you must be a friend of the admin i insulted LMAO. DId i claim illegal activity???????? Its was pump n dump stocks and i only attack when i attack.
all my post are info after i read the sec filings and dso some DD. reason for 100 post usually is because thier all responses to idiots that cry, or the so called stock minipualotrs which i can sniff out with their text book responses. so you can shove it.

[trunkmonk]

lets see, I noticed you are posting on FNMA, and you seem to have more posts there than all others together, who is the mob? if you are referring to that board in your statements, then you might stop and look at yourself, you appear to want to come in, dominate the whole board, and then complain if you get attacked, or beef about mods. if its not FNMA board at issue, I can see how your approach on other boards may not work too well.
Stock manipulation? can you prove this and is there any proof of illegal activity on IHUB by these people?

[ShortPutCall]

there are obvious signs of favoritism and abuse by MODS on boards and these gangs, iv expressed to an admin that this opens the doors for stock minipulation. Which the Admin told me not to tell him about any of that, and they been in running for 15 years. HE said "We have been running for 15years" Instead of a normal response of "THIS COMPANY, INVESTORHUB, OUR COMPANY, HE CHOSE TO SAY "WE'. I guess he could have been there from the start and be an owner?? lmao

[ShortPutCall]

Iv been attacked for rightfully bashing a company, imo is worthless that i do not even trade or short. weather anyone on here agrees with bashing or whatever, not the point. The point is All my post were being deleated, which some did break TOS rules, I also got some overturned. For some reason my attackers post, that were off-topic and violated rules were not removed, until i had to report them 100 times. My post were instantly off. I contacted admins and they only respond with mono tone replys from a book. Thats all your really gonna get, the Admins can not speak there mind as they say a wrong thing….. They just turn there heads and pretend they didnt see it, and reply with , "please read TOS page" …

[ShortPutCall]

Can someone please explain this to me? someone told me Ihub paid people to post, and you have to contact and ADMIN. I did not belive him. I see that you have to pay 90 bucks for IRP.

So im assumeing you pay ihub, inreturn you get special rights on post, that would be considered spam by an ordinary poster. Who is paying the posters?? private people/ companies?

[Stock]

$500 for one day. How many Asshatistani keyboard jockeys can Clem hire for that much?

[10 bagger]

I think all mods. should have to pay to be a mod.. Afterall some are on boards to promote more than to inform and it would take away the group mod boards where a group is formed to populate all the mods on one board.. I think this is a real problem in some stocks because the neg. side of the story is deleted and the RAW RAW side is all that is seem.. Making Mods become more qualified in the company would be acceptable,, even if only a mod to be had to fill out the basic info on any company they are posting on.. Informed Mods will greatly improve the Mod. reason for being.. A form that I would think would be acceptable is one that gives info about not only the company at present but it's past year.. Also this discription of the company along with links for futher information should accompany any Mod.. position request.. The Mod position should be at least populated by those that have at least a basic understanding of any company they are on a board that they Mod.. Giving a Mod the ability to delete posts also should obligate them to be able to answer any questions presented to the board in a cival manner.. hank

[Greta Grabo]

If IHUB is looking to decrease the BS noise, then the negative posters who are working to manipulate in a different way should have to pay.


Bottom line Shelly you are not ever going to make everyone happy, no matter what you do.

[Greta Grabo]

I understand that there are two different groups of people who are compensated. Some business owners who receive the majority of the total payments in disclosures and some individuals who are paid a fee not necessarily in relation to the monies collected.

I have taken the time to look up some of the "other" individuals that have the IRP, and it seams that they are making about $20 on avg for a ticker. if they are doing one a week, it is costing them more to post then they make.

and what about the people who post non-stop (bashing) they are bringing up the buzz on the boards.

I believe that is what you can board Manipulation.

[sidedraft]

How about $100/month for each board where posting for any form of compensation, limit 200 posts/month per such board?

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

Well, I guess the question is - if someone is making money off of posting here, why wouldn't there be additional fees? People using our business to support their business - that's commercial use and there are fees involved with commercial use.

For $100 a month, IRPs get access to their target market to promote their plays.

If you don't think $100 is reasonable, what would you say is a reasonable price point?

Btw, for anyone following this, I'm not saying that we're going to reduce any fees.

I understand that there are two different groups of people who are compensated. Some business owners who receive the majority of the total payments in disclosures and some individuals who are paid a fee not necessarily in relation to the monies collected.

I'm trying to understand how to get the 100's of people I'm sure are posting here to properly and legally disclose.

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

I disagree that it will cause more people to become IRPs if there were a lower rate for some of them. I think people are already compensated and choose for whatever reason not to become an IRP.

[Greta Grabo]

I have a paid subscription, which means I can post more than 15 posts a day here.

I say make bashers pay and anti IRP fee!

[Stock]

You got all this and can't afford an iHub subscription?

Compensation:

EMLL: $80,000 cash to date for ongoing awareness

09-2011

ALCL: $15,000 for one week by a third party.

SPQS: $7,500 for 4 days by a third party.

GRNE: $5,500 for 3 days by a third party .

10-2011

PPET: $1,000 for one day by a third party.

ALCL: $10,000 for 3 days by a third party

[Greta Grabo]

fee is to high on a per month basis, People are leaving to go to other sites and into chat rooms. Having to pay $100 a month and have to pay for subscription to post. What do you get for $100 a month? Where does that money go?

[Stock]

Better yet, I think these underpaid Mini-Me-IRPs® should form a UNION!

$25 a week to post nonstop?

Are you out of your collective minds??

You should accept NO LESS than a GRAND A WEEK for these services!

StockWench be DAMNED!

Organize! Don't let the Kingpumps outsource your jobs to Bangalore!

Stand up for your rights!

Equal rights for IRP dogfights!

[Stock]

Charge everyone double the amount currently charged.

Professionals should all pay a high price on iHub.

Just because the Kingpumper throws his Minions $25 a week to post, doesn't mean the price should be DECREASED.

All this does is encourage more noise, four word, "XXXX to da moon" posts

However, if iHub is looking to have more BS noise, then, by all means, let professionals post for free.........

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

Hi, all. This program has grown tremendously since inception and it's encouraging to see all those that have chosen to legally disclose their compensation.

It's probably time to re-evaluate the overall program and see where it needs to be tweaked.

I have received an interesting proposal from someone who suggests that their be an Investor Relations Business Professionals (IRBP). This is for those that own IR companies. Then a separate designation with a lower fee for IRPs - people hired by them who need to disclose but aren't generally being paid enough to warrant a $100/month because they may only do one promo or something like that.

Does that force ppl to work for IR companies exclusively? What are the positives/negatives of this idea?

I'm open to any/all ideas on revamping this.

If you don't want to reply publicly, feel free to send me a pm. Though, I do like public discussion as one idea often spurs another, etc. But, certainly understand if you want your comments to be seen privately.

Thanks to anyone who has the time to offer an opinion.

[IH Dan (Retired)]

No.

See note on this page:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/IRP.aspx

[Entangled Proton]

Can a non IRP use the Disclosure/Disclaimer page and then link to it so other people can read it ?

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

All: Please note at the bottom of the subscription page that all IRP subs are auto renewed each month going forward. If you want to cancel, you need to contact me directly.


Thanks.

[Mr. Zen]

never mind, some hub-geek already had it figured out, I just did not pay attention to the little check box.

[Mr. Zen]

I have purchased the IRP and filled out the disclaimer however my messages are not being noted as paid awareness or have any insignia to designate the new status.. did I do something incorrectly??

[LMPA]

Hi Dave, I cannot get into the boards... keeps giving me an error prompt? Wonder if you can help? I can see Ticker Buzz Cloud etc but not individual boards...

[Mr. Zen]

No need to get nasty, I am just trying to raise the bar of quality around here, If I hub does not want or need more respect within the investment community then that is the way it is... but please do not call me God. You are supposed to be guiding this place not insulting people.

[IH Geek [Dave]]

So if you haven't read between the lines, the IRP program is not to unearth those who had secretly used the site to pump stocks.

It never was. That's the role of duly empowered regulatory agencies.

It's probably not even about the extra income generated by asking people to disclose and pay a fee.

It was certainly never was about that. It's inconsequential in the big picture.

It's all about Ihub covering their butt if they ever get sued.

Never was since that is simply impossible.

It's no longer their fault if people fail to comply.

It never "our fault" any more than it would be our responsibility to ensure that your posts comply with laws and regulation. THE POSTER responsible and accountable, not us.

The question has been asked and answered ad nauseam. It's not complicated. Occam's razor simple. Enough of the sophomoric conclusions.

[IH Admin [Shelly]]

"In my opinion a complete lack of understanding of the difference between some freelance operator who hustles public company officials for a one week awareness campaign and a member of a public company that answers to the laws and regulations of the SEC and registered with the Canadian Venture Exchange."

Feel free to explain to the SEC their lack of understanding of the distinction and petition them for such. When they choose to separate the two for disclosure purposes, then I'm pretty confident we could make a change here as well.

Btw, it seems there's still some confusion with the current IRPs we have here. They ARE answering the laws and regulations of the SEC by publicly disclosing their compensation here. That's what the IRP program is all about.

"So ends another discussion, maybe consider a change of the name of Investors Hub to pumpers paradise."

A major complaint of yours in the past has been that iHub caters to the bashers...so, which is it? Whichever insult fits your current gripe?

"Sadly, this discussion is closed as far as I am concerned."

Thank you, God.

[fung_derf]

So if you haven't read between the lines, the IRP program is not to unearth those who had secretly used the site to pump stocks. It's probably not even about the extra income generated by asking people to disclose and pay a fee. It's all about Ihub covering their butt if they ever get sued. They can now claim that they requested people disclose their paid positions. It's no longer their fault if people fail to comply.
In other words,it's a cop out.

[Mr. Zen]

there it is in a nut shell

It seems that some are trying to make a distinction where no distinction exists

In my opinion a complete lack of understanding of the difference between some freelance operator who hustles public company officials for a one week awareness campaign and a member of a public company that answers to the laws and regulations of the SEC and registered with the Canadian Venture Exchange.

So ends another discussion, maybe consider a change of the name of Investors Hub to pumpers paradise.

Sadly, this discussion is closed as far as I am concerned.

[Stock]

Case closed, then.

[IH Geek [Dave]]

I've just read through the past few day's posts. It seems that some are trying to make a distinction where no distinction exists.

Here's the central criteria; Section 17(b) if the Securities Act of 1933:

It shall be unlawful for any person, by the use of any means or instruments of transportation or communication in interstate commerce or by the use of the mails, to publish, give publicity to, or circulate any notice, circular, advertisement, newspaper, article, letter, investment service, or communication which, though not purporting to offer a security for sale, describes such security for a consideration received or to be received, directly or indirectly, from an issuer, underwriter, or dealer, without fully disclosing the receipt, whether past or prospective, of such consideration and the amount thereof.

There are no qualifiers there; no reference to alleged noble purpose, nothing carving out that one type of compensation is different from any other, no "except for ____" clauses. The language is what it is. In a nutshell, if one is paid to post then one is obligated to disclose. That said, it is up to the poster to decide if they are subject to 17(b), and if so, then we provide the means for them to comply.

We encourage such persons to participate and provide the tools for them to do so. If they say they are not required to disclaim, that is between them and the appropriate agency. We are NOT a regulatory or law enforcement agency, and regulatory and law enforcement agencies don't operate message boards.

The program is simple in concept and intent. It is what it is. We're not contemplating any material changes; it is not a central focus nor is it going to be. It is but one of many tools and features provided by the site, and the terms and implementation are defined and determined solely by iHub.