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PegnVA

05/08/13 3:39 PM

#203766 RE: StephanieVanbryce #203765

How many times have the House Repubs held this circus? - 20 times? 30 times? Hey, I guess it beats being productive.
And where are all those jobs the Repubs promised if we'd vote for them in 2010 and again in 2012?
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StephanieVanbryce

05/08/13 4:40 PM

#203769 RE: StephanieVanbryce #203765

Obamacare exposes Hospitals who jack up their prices for patient care.

READERS COMMENT: "Medical rates are set like prices at some third world bazaar. No one pays the asking price, which comes out of thin air, and whomever negotiates the best walks away with the hookah at the lowest price."

ScottW, Chapel Hill, NC


Hospital Billing Varies Wildly, Government Data Shows

By BARRY MEIER, JO CRAVEN McGINTY and JULIE CRESWELL
Published: May 8, 2013

A hospital in Livingston, N.J., charged $70,712 on average to implant a pacemaker, while a hospital in nearby Rahway, N.J., charged $101,945.

In Saint Augustine, Fla., one hospital typically billed nearly $40,000 to remove a gallbladder using minimally invasive surgery, while one in Orange Park, Fla., charged $91,000.

In one hospital in Dallas, the average bill for treating simple pneumonia was $14,610, while another there charged over $38,000.

Data being released for the first time by the government on Wednesday shows that hospitals charge Medicare wildly differing amounts — sometimes 10 to 20 times what Medicare typically reimburses — for the same procedure, raising questions about how hospitals determine prices and why they differ so widely.

The data for 3,300 hospitals, released by the federal Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, shows wide variations not only regionally but among hospitals in the same area or city.

Government officials said that some of the variation might reflect the fact that some patients were sicker or required longer hospitalization.

Nonetheless, the data is likely to intensify a long debate over the methods that hospitals use to determine their charges.

Medicare does not actually pay the amount a hospital charges but instead uses a system of standardized payments to reimburse hospitals for treating specific conditions. Private insurers do not pay the full charge either, but negotiate payments with hospitals for specific treatments. Since many patients are covered by Medicare or have private insurance, they are not directly affected by what hospitals charge.

Experts say it is likely that the people who can afford it least — those with little or no insurance — are getting hit with extremely high hospitals bills that may bear little connection to the cost of treatment.

“If you’re uninsured, they’re going to ask you to pay,” said Gerard Anderson, the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Hospital Finance and Management.


The debate over medical costs is growing louder, spurred by President Obama’s overhaul of the health insurance system.

Hospitals, in particular, have come under scrutiny for charges that are widely viewed as difficult to comprehend, even for experts. “Our goal is to make this information more transparent,” Jonathan Blum, the director of the agency’s Center for Medicare, said in an interview.

The data covers bills submitted from virtually every hospital in the country in 2011 for the 100 most common treatments and procedures performed in hospitals, like hip replacements, heart operations and gallbladder removal.

The hospitals were not given the data before its release by Medicare officials.

Some hospitals contacted Tuesday said that the higher bills they sent to Medicare reflected the fact that they were either teaching hospitals or they had treated sicker patients.

For example, billing records showed that Keck Hospital of the University of Southern California charged, on average, $123,885, for a major artificial joint replacement, six times the average amount that Medicare reimbursed for the procedure and a rate significantly higher than the average for other Los Angeles area hospitals.

“Academic medical centers have a higher cost structure, and higher acuity patients who suffer from many health complications,” the hospital said.

The hospital added that it wrote off any difference between what it charged and what Medicare paid, rather than seeking to collect it from patients. Centinela Hospital Medical Center, also in Los Angeles and owned by Prime Healthcare Services, charged $220,881 for the same procedure.

A spokesman said the hospital served a sicker and older patient base.

The data showing the range of hospital bills does not explain why one hospital charges significantly more for a procedure than another one. And Medicare does pay slightly higher treatment rates to certain hospitals — like teaching facilities or hospitals in areas with high labor costs.

Mr. Blum, the Medicare official, said he would have anticipated variations of two- to threefold at the most in the difference between what hospitals charge.

However, hospitals submitted bills to Medicare that were, on average, about three to five times what the agency typically pays to treat a condition, an analysis of the data by The New York Times indicates. And variations between what hospitals charge may be even greater.

Mr. Blum said he could not explain the reasons for that large difference.

An official at the American Hospital Association, a trade group, said there was a cat-and-mouse game between hospitals and insurers that affects what hospitals charge.

As insurers demand bigger discounts from a hospital, a facility may raise its charges to protect its bottom line, that official, Caroline Steinberg, said. “The hospital raises its rate to cover the discount,” said Ms. Steinberg, who is the group’s vice president for trends analysis.

Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, the nation’s largest association of health insurers, said some member companies were reporting sharp price increases of 20 to 30 percent for some services. Some insurers are seeking similar price increases from policy holders.

“There’s very little transparency out there about what doctors and hospitals are charging for services,” Mr. Zirkelbach said. “Much of the public policy focus has been on health insurance premiums and has largely ignored what hospitals and doctors are charging.”

Ms. Steinberg said that the Affordable Care Act required that hospital charges be limited for patients who qualify.

“That’s driving all of the rates for uninsured patients towards the same amount that Medicare pays,” she said.

That big variation in what hospitals charge Medicare exists even in procedures that are standardized and do not involve patient complications, the Times analysis of the data shows.

For a cardiac procedure in which a small tube, or stent, is implanted to open up a clogged blood vessel, the average hospital charge is over four times the average Medicare payment.

In addition, bills submitted by profit-making hospitals to Medicare are typically higher than those submitted by nonprofit centers, the analysis found.

Government hospitals typically billed Medicare less than either nonprofit or profit-making hospitals, the data shows.


Medicare payments represent about 91 cents of every dollar that a hospital spends on treatment, Ms. Steinberg said.

Mr. Anderson, the hospital finance expert, said that private insurers negotiated rates with hospitals that were typically about 30 percent above what Medicare pays. He understands that hospitals will often charge above the Medicare rate, but he said the huge premiums at some hospitals make no sense.

“If you’re charging 10 percent more or 20 percent more than what it costs to deliver the service, that’s an acceptable profit margin,” Mr. Anderson said. “Charging 400 percent more than what it costs has no rational basis in it at all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/08/business/hospital-billing-varies-wildly-us-data-shows.html?hp&_r=0 [ With Comments ]

.........swear, I'm not prejudiced but commenters at the nyt ... are 'mostly' a cut above all others.... that I've read ...
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fuagf

05/09/13 3:57 AM

#203796 RE: StephanieVanbryce #203765

House GOP Seeks To Trap Dems On Preexisting Conditions



Sahil Kapur April 24, 2013, 6:00 AM 17712

House Republicans have set up a Wednesday vote on legislation designed to simultaneously undermine a piece of Obamacare and give themselves a pretext to say they’re interested in helping people with preexisting conditions.

The Helping Sick Americans Now Act would siphon $3.6 billion .. http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/hr1549.pdf .. from the Affordable Care Act’s $10 billion prevention and public health fund .. http://healthaffairs.org/healthpolicybriefs/brief_pdfs/healthpolicybrief_63.pdf , aimed at combating disease and promoting wellness, into an underfunded short-term plan to cover people with preexisting conditions until 2014, when the law will begin to ban insurers from denying coverage based on health status.

But the legislation doesn’t reflect a serious long-term effort to address the problem of sick Americans lacking access to health care or getting thrown off their insurance plan. It would shore up a costly and temporary high-risk pool under Obamacare — called the Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan — which expires at the end of 2013. Beyond that, Republicans continue to support repealing the rest of the Affordable Care Act, and lack economically feasible plans to address preexisting conditions.

“Like in so many other areas, the President’s health care legislation failed to adequately protect sick patients with pre-existing conditions, like those battling cancer,” said Rory Cooper, a spokesman for House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA). “House Republicans are determined to do so by taking funding from a slush fund and moving it where it is critically needed.”

House Republicans are exploiting a political opportunity .. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/03/house-gop-we-really-care-about-preexisting-conditions.php?ref=fpa .. created by the Department of Health and Human Services’ February decision to end new enrollment in the ACA’s state-based high risk pools, after determining that it was underfunded. HHS said at the time that it was “the most prudent step” considering the program’s $5 billion spending limit and need to ensure coverage for those already enrolled. In March, House GOP leaders sent a letter .. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/03/house-gop-we-really-care-about-preexisting-conditions.php?ref=fpa .. calling on President Obama support moving money from the prevention fund to PCIP.

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) described the bill as a “continuing effort to undermine the Affordable Care Act” and observed that it was “reported out of committee on a totally partisan vote — no Democrat voted for it.”

“We don’t think much of this bill,” he said. “It is a zero sum game and undermines a fund that we think is very important, and may not serve very many people but may hurt a lot of people.”

The White House threatened to veto the legislation Tuesday night, arguing that the prevention fund serves important purposes such as preventing diseases, detecting them early, managing conditions before they become severe and promoting wellness.

Conservative groups are split on the legislation, torn between competing desires to mess with Obamacare and to avoid spending taxpayer funds to insure sick people.

FreedomWorks supports it, explaining that it “effectively cannibalizes .. http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/dean-clancy/support-the-helping-sick-americans-now-act .. ObamaCare to impede its implementation.” Grover Norquist’s anti-tax group also backs the bill .. http://www.atr.org/atr-supports-h-r-helping-sick-a7560 .

But Club For Growth opposes it and is scoring lawmaker votes, warning that it would “further extend the federal government’s role in healthcare” and encourage people to avoid buying insurance until they get sick — a familiar conservative complaint about public health insurance.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/04/house-gop-bill-preexisting-conditions.php

.. joooost in cuss anyone else has never heard of the GOP bill .. unlikely, but anyway .. :)