I would be surprised beyond belief if I saw anything positive come out of Shiva and his TiVUS. But that is just my assessment of the man based on his performance thus far. However, I do appreciate your explanation as I have never bought in the GRAYS nor at NO BID. While I think that any more investment here would be like tossing money out the car window while going down the freeway at 80mph, if TIVU miraculously comes through, this is exactly how the big money may be made and I'd say good for you!