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DJN

12/14/10 9:52 AM

#15094 RE: Argus63 #15093

Go Lehman!!!
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etzetrade

12/14/10 10:11 AM

#15095 RE: Argus63 #15093

Means twice of 17.4% equal to 36% for unsecured securties due to substantive consolidation.
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linda1

12/14/10 1:20 PM

#15097 RE: Argus63 #15093





Paulson is a party of the Group of Senior Bondholders that filed a Preliminary Objection to the Plan back in June or July in which the Objection suggested Substantive Consolidation.



NO - it does not mean some creditors will receive 100 % x 2 recovery.



There are Creditors of Subsidiaries and Affiliates that also have a Guarantee from LBHI - and this allowed the Creditors to file 2 Claims - one against the Subsidiary or Affiliate and one against LBHI.


However the Creditors cannot collect more than 100% on their Claim.


For example - Class 7 - Third-Party Guarantee Claims - Class 8 - Affiliate Guarantee Claims - of LBHI are the dual recoveries that Paulson is referring to.


These Classes 7 & 8 Creditors also have a Claim against the Subsidiary or Affiliate.


For example - LBI Senior Subordinated Noteholders also received a Guarantee from LBHI.


The LBI Senior Subordinated Noteholder can file dual Claims - one against LBI and LBHI.


What Paulson is saying is that these Creditors are collecting an additional 14.7% from LBHI and that isn't fair.


The only way that the additional Claims against LBHI can be eliminated is by Substantive Consolidation and I think that is the Plan that Paulson's group of Creditors will be filing.







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linda1

12/14/10 2:09 PM

#15100 RE: Argus63 #15093




I am sorry - I may have made an error.


I didn't read the news release and how it is worded it appears you are right - I have only read that a Creditor can only collect on what it is owed.


It may be an error on the writer's part - I will check the Preliminary Objection filed by Paulson's Group of Creditors to see if it actually says in the filing "a full double recovery".




Marsal’s plan “pits creditors of the various estates against each other,” the Paulson-Calpers group

said earlier this year in a court filing that termed the proposals unfair. The group said some Lehman

creditors would get paid twice, receiving “a full double recovery” by collecting from various Lehman

entities.





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linda1

12/14/10 3:05 PM

#15101 RE: Argus63 #15093




This is what the filing actually said - but I think it could also be interpreted as being a full recovery under dual recovery/claims.



In short, with respect to those creditors that will receive "a full double recovery" under the Plan, the

“settlement” of the Inter-Debtor Issues in the Plan reflects no risk of a substantive consolidation

result that the Debtors admit is meaningfully probable.



What LBHI Creditor is getting 100% recovery - only secured creditors - unsecured creditors are getting 14.7% - which is not a 100% recovery.