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Trinityz1

08/07/07 10:54 AM

#122 RE: mullimatt #120

B vitamins are also good for nerve endings
which caffeine tends to over extend in strong doses....

Calcium doesn't do squat without magnesium.....fact.
Guarana has a strong laxative effect....
Taurine when ingested in quantities produces excess
stomach acids and the result is heartburn....
It's also a proven fact that ingesting concentrated taurine is
NOT the most efficacious method of delivery.
Biotin can also break down the body's own fats and PROTEINS
under certain conditions where regular rigorous physical
exertion is undergone.
Too much of certain B vitiamins, i.e. niacin can cause
adverse reactions.

I've read the FAQ, looked over the 1st study....
I'm not impressed. So it isn't wise to toss them at me.

Take out the caffeine and see how well it works....
it won't.
This company is in the initial hype stage still.....

Drink a pot of good coffee and eat fresh spinach that day,
you'll get the same thermogenic properties. -100 calories.

I'm concerned that younger teens will overuse this product.
The U.S. has an obesity problem in its younger teens.
There's the potential of this product having a darkside.
I'm 100% convinced that the studies have not addressed this
subject group in their studies.

Due to ethical concerns in clinical trials, my guess is
once some serious clinical are undertaken, we'll see an adverse
effect on companies such as Celsius. They're already underway.

Quoting the company's information is NOT going to change
my opinion. It will take more comprehensive clinical trials
to get my attention towards the scientific claims which are
currently weak, imo.

I'm sure in certain very select groups the desired results of
a minimal clinical trial will yield predicted results. The
caffeine alone will produce most of the results.

In other words, prove to me the product is GOOD for you or
me or most anyone, i.e. the average person and their children,
and then I'd say there's a scientific discussion. There's
already a mountain of evidence gathered through exhaustive
clinical trials that show that this product probably isn't
the most healthy addition to a person's lifestyle or diet.

NOW, having said all of this,
Celsius as an investment is a totally different discussion.
If the publicity produces interest, people will try it and
some will use it with dedication, and the investment has
potential. The more the scientific angle is proclaimed,
the more it will draw scientific curiousity which is likely
in turn to produce a LOT of data and results contrary to the
company's goals.

Monster, Red Bull, and Hansen's avoided this pitfall.
Celsius would do well to follow successful examples
rather than ones that have failed. Hello????

There's a reason there's a huge drug problem here in the U.S.
People don't care what the consequences are.
They just want their magic pill results,
they want the magic snakeoil tonic.
Coke when first introduced to the marketplace is a perfect example.

They don't care...until children are adversely affected.
Therein lies the real problem of making scientific claims
based on weak and biased evidence.