Mantra was hired to do any project Alstom wished, Mantra having the right to refuse. And why not share MVTG lab ERC reactor along with sharing IP. Cheap deal for Alstom and Mantra. CO2 conversion to chemicals is what Alstom wanted to know first, using MVTG ERC Patented tech and lab reactor, and then ERC pilot project if they, Alstom, feels it is in their best interest. Phase 4&5? This is JMHO. Alsom may be going in the direction of an ERC Pilot but we don't know if it can be done on a commercial level, Do WE. Remember U of N.Mexico, and catalyst. For every different CO2 emission there will probably need a different catalyst. I am just an investor and do not know what would make Alstom move forward or stop on a ERC Pilot other than Money, profit and lossses And that I haven't a clue . I do know Mantra can't do it alone, so they need Alstom, and Mantra couldn't have found anyone better in the world than Alstom. Hopefully, for both companies, everything works out for the best.