Hey Luddy don't know what to say with the Nq board. I agree some are really hoping for a big payoff, and some are really delusional. just my opinion. I don't now why Joe keeps posting there, but it is very entertaining I say. Joe keeps posting and backing it up with links and facts, and they say its not true, he lies, and my favorite saying trying to shake "weak hands". I had Cts also but sold them off about a year ago. Full Face Value on Cts while creditors and bond holder got pennies on the dollar, yeah OK. I have shares tied up in the OBS J's and P's. unfortunately the OBS to me is like a convict on death row awaiting execution, and there will be no stay from the governor. Good Luck Luddy hope everything works out for you.