RE: Mikkj - Oil companies
< WELFARE HAS BEEN REFORMED!!! You get five years in your entire lifetime, and returning to work is a requirement for elegibility. >
That does not change the damage that it did over the last 40 years that it was in effect. How many other social programs are still in use, and how limited are they?
< we fought for the right to listen to rock-and-roll, wear jeans to school, grow our hair long, and otherwise have the normal rights of any citizen - in high school. >
Don't forget the 'right' to smoke pot and drop acid, not to mention the 'right' to do anything (or anyone) without consequences.
< THEN, we fought a war, and fought to end it. >
Which side were the liberals on?
< We fought for womens rights, civil rights, rights for gays,rights for workers, freedom of speech, civil and political change, rights of consumers, the poor and the handicapped. Yeah, I guess you're right, we ARE a bunch of selfish S.O.B.'s aren't we? Funny thing is, I never noticed ANY right-wingers doing ANY of those things. >
Not all BBs are selfish yuppies, but a large percentage are more concerned with their IRA than with their kids' welfare. The right wingers were more likely to be working than protesting. The left talks a good talk, but doesn't worry about results. They want more government programs AND more personal freedom, but the two are mutually exclusive. Bigger gov't equals less freedom.
< What YOU are talking about...>
What I was talking about is something I read a while back where NY was forced to release mental patients who were confined. I don't know if a court order was necessary at the time to confine them, but a diagnosis by a psychiatrist was most likely needed. Many of those without families or others to care for them ended up on the streets and homeless.
< In the republican "good old days", all you needed to do was have a grudge against someone, and a good lawyer, or be a parent, to have them confined FOR LIFE with NO CAUSE. >
You think a parent should not be able to commit their children to treatment if they feel it is needed? It was never that easy anyway unless you were rich or could influence a judge or psychiatrist.
< I can see why you would like that, but we "selfish" baby-boomers won't allow your to get away with thaat kind of crap (still). >
No, people like the ACLU and other liberal groups would rather have the neurotic or insane wandering the streets than to force them to receive treatment.
< Propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. Try sticking with the REAL facts, not the ones you WANT to be real. >
Fact: Recently a family sued the police in Florida because they shot a mentally ill woman who was trying to run over them in her van. The family knew her condition and that she did not take her medication regularly, but did nothing to keep her off the streets. Forced commitment would have kept her alive and kept other people safe from her.
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