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Re: arnold post# 26991

Tuesday, 02/13/2018 10:39:03 AM

Tuesday, February 13, 2018 10:39:03 AM

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Ahh, yes, the Cyclone LSR fairytale.

Harry Schoell's story now is that Cyclone didn't pay for the second car, in order to show up Chuk Williams after Harry utterly failed to provide any kind of working engine, like he publicly promised.

The story now is that "sponsors" paid for everything except the engine, which is the only thing Cyclone paid for.

You can see in the LSR photo gallery all the pictures of Cyclone employees building the body for the car. The orange things are production fiberglass molds. You see, Harry Schoell's plan was that all the Cyclone engine dealers they were going to sign up would want an empty LSR car body to display with the engines. You can see these molds now piled on a trailer in the photo of Cyclone's building in the intro. But hey, "sponsors" paid for these molds, not Cyclone shareholders.

Cyclone created the "Performance Division" in order to show up Chuk Williams, and hired Nelson Hoyos the drag racer to be the "Director". No doubt "sponsors" paid his salary.

And you can see from the sponsorship page just how little sponsorship there was in 2012 and after when Cyclone was trying to show up Chuk Williams. (The sponsors in 2011 and before were Chuk's sponsors that Cyclone later claimed had sponsored Cyclone.) Just look at all those heavy hitters: Driven2Win was Nelson Hoyos' drag racing school, Precision CNC was the machine shop paid to make the WHE engines, a website company that probably made their website, a Florida orange chemical company that was providing orange oil as fuel, Steampower.com which appears to be a single, short webpage, and on and on. The personal sponsors were the full roster of Cyclone employees.

Then there was the update video in February 2015 (yes, three years ago now).



Here's a summary of the changes in the car from 2012 to 2015:


"Sponsors" paid hundreds of thousands for that car, but were too shy to want their names on it, obviously.

Cyclone also puts in financial reports how people keep contacting them to give sponsorship money, but Cyclone never explains why they don't take any of the offered money.

Then there's the claim that they need $35,000 for "safety equipment" (up from the previous $25,000), even though Nelson Hoyos already has all the needed safety equipment for his drag racing school (and he's the primary sponsor, according to the above photo). Plus another $40,000 to put the car in a trailer and drive to the salt flats in Utah. Maybe Harry and Frankie figure they'll follow along in a chartered jet...

The facts aren't quite as flattering as the current spin. Cyclone paid dearly to have a custom race car built in 2012 to show up Chuk Williams after he wouldn't wait any longer for the promised engine. The split happened in May of 2012, and the new car was being displayed in December 2012. Nelson Hoyos was hired for a year, and Cyclone's property and equipment increased by $270,000 in 2012 with no explanation in the financial reports.

Interesting too is Harry Schoell's own statement in 2012:

Hi Guys
Check out the new Cyclone streamliner site. It shows all the details of the new project.
We have been invited to make the first test and record runs at the NASA strip at Cape Canaveral.
We would like to invite all our fellow sponsors to be apart of the new project.
Cyclone was also a sponsor of the previous program, and though we did not receive any sponsorship money, we will honor you name on the trailer and credits to you.
We expect to bring the new streamliner to Berrien Springs in September. Nelson the driver is looking forward to being there also. He is a new SACA member and steam enthusiast.


I wonder how much Cyclone shareholders paid for NASA to "invite" Cyclone to use their runway.

Notwithstanding all the more recent Cyclone BS on their failure to run the LSR car as they have repeated promised, just watch the 2015 update video of the engine:



Can you spell P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C? Just watch and listen as the speed goes up and down like a yo-yo. Now what's most remarkable is that the engine isn't connected to anything. It's struggling just to spin itself. This video was also from 2015 - three years after all the bragging about setting speed records at 200, then 300, then 400 miles per hour in 2013.

The LSR car engine was another example of where Harry had bragged about his "beast" of an engine and promised full test results would be posted once the test was done. Then started making excuses for not providing the promised data.

But, hey, that video proves the Cyclone engine can spin itself for seconds at a time.
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