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Re: sulaco post# 300404

Wednesday, 06/28/2017 5:07:48 PM

Wednesday, June 28, 2017 5:07:48 PM

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Sulaco, there is a lot going on so I am just getting back to your note about the PSA test having become controversial. The point I was making about the Bavi diagnostics is still valid, however.

I went to what I consider a trusted source (the Mayo Clinic) and found that the Mayo staff posted that about one out of four people who test positive with elevated PSA levels actually have prostate cancer. Consequently, a person testing positive will likely want to pursue follow on testing available to confirm their cancer risk. It is much more rare that there are false negatives, which are due to fast progressing cancers being present. Thus, taking the PSA test can screen for cancer risk but there are risks of false positives, due to factors unrelated to cancer that warrant caution for treatment regimine.

Now consider the indicated positive association from Bavi marking and there being cancer cells present. A small group of patient's data presented earlier this year (ASCO) was showing 100% association between a positive test result and cancer being present. Consider how Mayo suggests there is value in doing a screening test for prostate cancer for men in a certain age range using the PSA test, knowing it delivers about three false positives for every real cancer presence detected. Compare that with a prospective 100% positive test result with Bavi for other cancer type detection. Prospective improved effectivness for survival or prolonging life from earlier treatment of cancer enabled by the screening test is TBD but imputed.

The relevant Mayo article excerpt is cut and pasted below from their web site.

Best wishes and IMO.
KT

Prostate cancer screening: Should you get a PSA test?
Making the decision to have a PSA test depends on a variety of factors. Here are some tips that can help you make a good decision.

By Mayo Clinic Staff
Multimedia
Prostate glandProstate gland
Cancer screening tests — including the prostate-specific antigen (PSA) test to look for signs of prostate cancer — can be a good idea.

Prostate cancer screening can help identify cancer early on, when treatment is most effective. And a normal PSA test, combined with a digital rectal exam, can help reassure you that it's unlikely you have prostate cancer.

But getting a PSA test for prostate cancer may not be necessary for some men, especially men 70 and older.

Professional organizations vary in their recommendations about who should — and who shouldn't — get a PSA screening test. While some have definitive guidelines, others leave the decision up to men and their doctors. Organizations that do recommend PSA screening generally encourage the test in men between the ages of 40 and 70, and in men with an increased risk of prostate cancer.

Ultimately, whether you have a PSA test is something you should decide after discussing it with your doctor, considering your risk factors and weighing your personal preferences.

Here's more information to help you prepare for a conversation with your doctor about PSA testing.

Simple test, not-so-simple decision

There are a number of pros and cons to the PSA test.

Pros of PSA screening Cons of PSA screening
PSA screening may help you detect prostate cancer early. Some prostate cancers are slow growing and never spread beyond the prostate gland.
Cancer is easier to treat and is more likely to be cured if it's diagnosed in the early stages of the disease. Not all prostate cancers need treatment. Treatment for prostate cancer may have risks and side effects, including urinary incontinence, erectile dysfunction or bowel dysfunction.
PSA testing can be done with a simple, widely available blood test. PSA tests aren't foolproof. It's possible for your PSA levels to be elevated when cancer isn't present, and to not be elevated when cancer is present.
For some men, knowing is better than not knowing. Having the test can provide you with a certain amount of reassurance — either that you probably don't have prostate cancer or that you do have it and can now have it treated. A diagnosis of prostate cancer can provoke anxiety and confusion. Concern that the cancer may not be life-threatening can make decision-making complicated.
The number of deaths from prostate cancer has gone down since PSA testing became available. PSA testing has lowered deaths, but the number may not be substantial enough to justify the cost and possibility of harm to the person undergoing the testing.
What is PSA?

Prostate-specific antigen (PSA) is a protein produced by both cancerous (malignant) and noncancerous (benign) prostate tissue. PSA helps liquefy the semen. A small amount of PSA normally enters the bloodstream.

Prostate cancer cells usually make more PSA than do benign cells, causing PSA levels in your blood to rise. But PSA levels can also be elevated in men with enlarged or inflamed prostate glands. Therefore, determining what a high PSA score means can be complicated.

Besides the PSA number itself, your doctor will consider a number of other factors to evaluate your PSA scores:

Your age
The size of your prostate gland
How quickly your PSA levels are changing
Whether you're taking medications that affect PSA measurements, such as finasteride (Propecia, Proscar), dutasteride (Avodart) and even some herbal supplements
When elevated PSA isn't cancer

While high PSA levels can be a sign of prostate cancer, a number of conditions other than prostate cancer can cause PSA levels to rise. These other conditions could cause what's known as a "false-positive" — meaning a result that falsely indicates you might have prostate cancer when you don't.

Conditions that could lead to an elevated PSA level in men who don't have prostate cancer include:

Benign prostate enlargement (benign prostatic hyperplasia)
A prostate infection (prostatitis)
Other less common conditions
False-positives are common. Only about 1 in 4 men with an abnormal PSA test result turns out to have prostate cancer.

When prostate cancer doesn't increase PSA

Some prostate cancers, particularly those that grow quickly, may not produce much PSA. In this case, you might have what's known as a "false-negative" — a test result that incorrectly indicates you don't have prostate cancer when you do.

Because of the complexity of these relating factors, it's important to have a doctor who is experienced in interpreting PSA levels evaluate your situation.

What's the advantage of a PSA test?

Detecting certain types of prostate cancer early can be critical. Elevated PSA results may reveal prostate cancer that's likely to spread to other parts of your body (metastasize), or they may reveal a quick-growing cancer that's likely to cause other problems.

Early treatment can help catch the cancer before it becomes life-threatening or causes serious symptoms. In some cases, identifying cancer early means you will need less aggressive treatment — thus reducing your risk of certain side effects, such as erectile dysfunction and incontinence.


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