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XX ray the problem is like GENI when a short gets caught the SEC and regulators halt the stock. By halting the stock the shorts win and no bailout is needed like with LTCM ... example:
Stockwalk's sudden capital shortfall occurred because of a transaction with Native Nations Securities of New York City. Native Nations failed to make a $60 million payment to MJK Clearing for a loan of shares of GenesisIntermedia Inc. (nasdaq:GENI), a Van Nuys, Calif., firm in which Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi is a major investor.
Native Nations suspended trading operations last Friday, and it is unclear whether it will make good on the debt to Stockwalk. Trading in Genesis stock was halted Tuesday, and securities regulators have not indicated when they will allow trading in that company to resume.
Source:http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/719689.html
However, long term shareholders property is locked up and thus shareholders and the company are a victims to the shorts ...
But what about LTCM and its 3.6B Bailout by Greenspan... where LTCM was one of the biggest hedge funds in America. Hedge funds are also great borrowers, leveraging some 20 to 40 times their equity capital. The funds borrow against their equity capital, invest in derivatives, use these financial assets as collateral to borrow, and use the further borrowings to further invest. The Times reported that LTCM's equity capital of USD 4 billion enabled it to borrow some USD 1 trillion. LTCM's bets: some USD 200 billion. All figures are best estimates, as hedge funds are not regulated by the Feds.
About the LCTM Bail out http://www.gata.org/getting_the_word_out_there.html
what about Ellington (Ellington Capital Management is the latest American hedge fun to face financial problems, forcing it to liquidate substantial amounts of its mortgaged-backed securities portfolio to meet demands by its lenders for more collateral. The question being asked is: Will the US Federal Reserves (Feds) also sponsor a concerted bail-out action for Ellington, as it sponsored Long Term Capital Management (LTCM)?
Further there are those who defend the long term investors....
There is myriad evidence that our system is in trouble. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan talks about the possibility of collapse all the time. He calls it "systemic risk."
One of the most telling events in recent times was the aborted collapse of a hedge fund called Long Term Capital Management (LTCM). If our high political and monetary officials are to be understood, there was credible testimony that the world’s financial system might have collapsed as a result of the leveraged positions that LTCM took.
Now, let’s step back for a moment. The world "GDP" is on the order of about $15 trillion or more. How is it possible that a firm like LTCM, with a mere $3 billion of invested capital could wreck so much havoc?
The answer lies in the fact that many of the major banks, through their trading departments, were making the same bets as LTCM. Thus, there was the possibility that if LTCM went bust and had to lay off, or sell, its bets at a great discount, the banks would have lost a lot of money on those same bets, too, and their assets would become impaired. That was the chain of events that the Federal Reserve sought to forestall when it gathered up 13 very prominent financial players and "suggested" that they ante up a $3½ billion infusion into LTCM.
By the way, the reason the Fed did not bail out LTCM directly, and the Fed is empowered to do that, is that the Fed can play the bailout card only a few times before people will very strenuously object. So, the Fed is waiting for when the stakes are much higher, as they most certainly will be.
Today, depending upon whom one listens to, there may be as much as $120 trillion in notional derivative bets. Granted, only a very tiny portion of that is really at risk, but even that tiny portion, if lost, would overwhelm the banking system and result in a complete collapse.
Questions for your readers: Is it fair that ordinary taxpayers be the ultimate counterparty to these bets and be forced by law to pay off if the banks lose? What part of our Constitution authorizes this kind of wealth transfer—in Mr. Greenspan’s words, "without limit"?
Other, and even more compelling evidence that there is a problem is that the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) has established a Financial Stability Institute. If financial stability were not a big problem, then why is the BIS so concerned?
Source:http://www.fame.org/HTM/JT_LP_I.htm
My question is from all of this does the bailout of hedge funds amount to double standards? DOes shareholders who actually put up their money to buy the property have to lose because a short decides to destroy their investment using their property as collateral?
GRRRR.
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BOP ... In this case we need to repeat History. We are not repeating history if we were we not have this petition and the lending would have stopped already. Because right after the 1929 fall came the limiting of patroit refusal to short selling to portect our markets.
This is what history did &The following evidence is from the Commercial and Financial Chronicle of October 18, 1930, which quotes the Journal of Commerce for October 16, 1930:
No let-up in the efforts of Stock Exchange houses to discourage short selling
rallies through refusing to lend stocks for the purpose was indicated yesterday…word had
been passed on by the exchange authorities that they desired lending operations to be
curtailed in order to discourage excessive short selling...
Brokers said yesterday that they have little objection from the point of view of
loss of revenue to the calling in of their stocks on loan. With the prevailing low rate for
call money, they find that there is but little incentive to lend stocks for the sake of
securing funds in this way...
A number of investment trusts reported yesterday that they had been approached
by brokers who wished to borrow stocks from them at the quoted premiums. In most
cases, it is understood, the investment trusts approached did not give any consideration to
the request, since they felt that their interests were on the side of rising prices and they
would not do anything which would encourage short selling tactics.
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ABSOLUTELY, Yes I do ... I think if someone is going to free-ride on other's money under regulated margin shorting, the short should pay and be willing to pay the owner of the collateral for thie investment. Makes no sense to me that money is not put up to pay you for your property prior to shorting with interest.
This is my primary beef about regulated shorting.
Naked shorting is killing everyone. The markets are being affected by naked shorting.
Also that "Certificate of Deposit" was a maginal OTCBB security. But some would say OH well its an OTCBB so you have no right to complain about anything. My cert is being used to cover that margin. I am not getting nor got anything for someone to borrow my property that I bought in the open market from $2.00 to $26.00. I have $96K in that investment.
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255 so far and we do not have the support of the short sellers and bashers that supported the Boycott petition.
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Oh My if I had been down here the entire year I tried to get my certificate I grant you they would have arrested me also. I have been hoping mad. To say the least and when I got that piece of paper I was livid.
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In order to sell short, one must borrow the stock from a
current owner, and this stock lender (Broker) may charge a fee to the short seller.
Why isn't the rightful owner paid just compensation? The rightful owner bought the stock with his own money. The rightful owner's broker gets fees like holding costs but the rightful owner gets nothing. Why isn't the “loan rate” or “loaning rate” during and the “rebate rate” not negotiated with the rightful owner? If it were it would serve to equilibrate supply and demand.
Short Sellings makes the market more efficient is not true either. In the market if a stock is very overpriced, yet if there is no way for arbitrageurs to earn excess returns, the market is still efficient.
What is wrong with Short sale constraints and full disclosure that can prevent negative information or opinions from being expressed in stock prices same as the Pump & Dump? Why isn't shorting and distorting illegal? What is wrong with transparency? Especially, since borrowing shares in order to sell short the investor’s broker can borrow from other margin accounts that are long the stock (or owns the stock himself), the broker accomplishes the loan via internal bookkeeping. WHy isn't this public and fully disclosed.
The possible Ponzi scheme to Short selling is stock loans are usually not term loans, giving rise to recall risk or “buy-in” risk. The lender of the stock has the right to demand the return of his shares at any time. If the stock lender decides to sell his shares (or for some other reason calls in his loan) after the shares have risen in price, the short sellers may be forced to close their position at a loss if they are unable to find other shares to borrow. Thus borrowing from Paul to pay to Peter. The floating Short Position.
There a lot of loop holes that offshore can nail us with but to allow free reign is absurd.
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Thanks ... I was searching for the confirmation about MJK Clearing, Inc., (Equitrades clearing house) no able to cover the short position.
That brings up the LTCM rise and fall because they shorted and could not cover. What a mess that was and Greenspan bailed them out for $3.64BILLION and in less than a year they were right back at it.
But guess who owned the offices of LCTM ... Musallam A. Musallam, who resides in Saudi Arabia.
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Transparency for shorts would kill them, which is why they do not want the SEC to impose anything that may protect our financial market. But overseas they are looking into monitoring trading activities. Disclosure is not required on regulated or unregulated shorting. It is voluntary.
Essentially, Deutsche Bank is offering to monitor hedge funds and supply information on their activities to institutional investors. Pension funds, of course, are used to getting what they want from outside money managers: namely, complete, same-day disclosure of investment positions. For hedge funds that rapidly trade in and out of security positions, end-of-day disclosure might not be such a burden. But for those that sell stock short, or try to capture spreads between securities through arbitrage--two of the more popular strategies among pension managers--disclosing their positions could make them vulnerable in the market.
Source: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m3870/10_17/78133028/print.jhtml
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HUH??? THAT IS NOT A STOCK CERTIFICATE ... that is a "Certificate of Deposit" from the clearing house for my 10,175 of property that I cannot get a stock certificate from the company.
However you are right in a sense, this is a certificate and this proves that not only companies print stock certs so do clearing houses when they refuse to send your certificate.
But according to you shorting does not increase the amount stock in the market. This is 10,175 shares more than the company issued. My cert is covering a short poisition at another brokerage house which they loaned my cert to is exactly what I was told by MY broker.
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If someone thinks the market is going down there is always "Puts" but not all securities are marginal. Thus the ones that are not marginal are not suppose to be shorted.
But they are. Off shore naked shorts.
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Sara notice that the boycott expressed this exact same arguement ... not one short or basher attacked it. I would not sign it and stated it was fueling shorts and bashers because they play against buying for profit. Eliminate the buying and they (shorts & Bashers) can take it down to oblivion and thus the cost to fight buying is cheaper.
But take out the trading halt boycott and focus on the issues for the boycott then suddenly this is an appaulling concept and HORRIBLE to every short and basher.
Shorts and bashers are scared to death that the SEC may actually do this and they will cover out of fear of loss and thus do to the market what they have done to the long positions. Reverse Capitulation.
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Well Poet I just scanned from MY records what you just posted is Something that is NOT suppose to happen unequiovocally, when calling for your cert. It is in the IBOX here.
Now as far as REGULATED shorting my problem is transparency. In other words REQUIRED full disclosure, check & balances should be implemented.
As far as floating a short position indefinitely that is stealing from Paul to pay to Peter and thus this part of the shorting scenario is exactly what a Ponzi scheme is by definition.
Now the petition is to address the these regulated irregularities and unregulated shorting, mainly offshore. No transaparency, no regulation, no nothing they can sell us into oblivion.
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Yeah I read you spin. Now you want to debate this then get specific but the claims you are making are absurd.
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WHAT?? Taht is the biggest bunch of propaganda I eve heard. Please state why it is inaccurate on those you do and that will show you do not have a clue. You can't and that is the problem ... I just talked to the short broker so I await your reasons as to why this is inaccurate.
Most of that is nonsense. You short you are selling into the market.'
Oh your whole post is propaganda.
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Bird we have not even touched on a short sell that comes from off shore and then through say 5 broker dealers (laundrying) and sold into the market that is naked shorting our market into the stone age.
The whole nine yards needs transparency. Plain and simple.
Also DTC reports are not false they are just incomplete because the broker doe not have to show their short positions and since they do not creative manipulation occurs.
Transparency and safe guards needs to be brought about.
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Oh really, well you call TD Waterhouse back and tell them I would be happy to FAX them a copy of a "Certificate of Depository" that I have in my name for property I bought that I can't get the certificate.
Do NOT call me a LIAR Poet ... You have NO IDEA want is real and the truth. You have no idea what the petition is about either.
You just like to fight ... Bring it own poet. But you better make DANG sure you got your facts right before you call someone a LIAR.
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Figures evil capitalizes from evil.
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Temporary is nonsense. Permanent and the art of this scheme should be totally looked at and investigated completely.
Temporary would cause the market to go up but we would be right back down here once shorting is brought back into practice.
Now you do not agree so lets break it down to see where our differences are specifically.
The way I understand Short Selling, it's merely the shuffling of money, stock, coupons, whatever. Something of value is put up as collateral on the anticipation of buying later. Now is this accurate to you.
Long investors put up their money to buy and hold long their positions. However, the long positions are pooled at the clearing houses of the brokerages where ever the certificates are deposited and even more pooling at the DTC/CEDE. Now is this accurate to you.
Now someone thinks a property is over valued so they merely borrow against this long position pool thus using other people's property as collateral (if you do not agree then what is the collateral base). Now they have to pay a interest on the loan of this position ($2.00 a share I believe at prime plus) but the base collateral for this loan is against the pooling of long position. Now is this accurate to you.
Now in doing so they have to sell the short position to someone (another long position buyer). Thus this long position is now considered the short position thus not diluting the long position according to you because it is an anticipated buy later down the road. Now is this accurate to you.
Now depending on the number of people shorting the short position grows depending on the amount borrowed again the pooled long position. But you claim the people that bought the new long position from ths short is not a long position it is the short position. Even thought the brokerage shows it as a long position on their books. Now is this accurate to you.
Now this Short position is basically is an anticipated buy because the shorter has not bought the position yet he has only borrowed and sold. Now is this accurate to you.
Now say the owner of the original long position pulls his certificate. The short has to cover but according to the broker I talk to that only shorts for a living that is true. However, the short does not have to actually cover, all he has to do through his broker is "float the short position" or the broker does it automatically. Floating the short position merely borrows against the pooled long position again to cover the first long position loan. Now is this accurate to you.
Now if the old investor's or even the new long position (who bought the loan from the first loan) pull their certs that would deplete the pooled long position and thus create a short squeeze because the collateral is being taken out of the market by the rightful owners. Thus the short positions will have to be covered by going into the market and have to physically buy the stock, coupons, whatever with his own money. Now is this accurate to you.
Now one other way is that buying over takes the selling, floating, etc. and the short is faces to have to buy and thus the market price increases. Now is this accurate to you.
Now is this right if not please clarify.
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Poet you are ... Say you buy a position and when you call for your certificate of ownership you are told sorry we loaned them out and the certificate is presebtly being used to cover a short position with a larger brokerage house.
Thus after months of debate ... cancelling of DTCs & ACATs you get a nice little "certificate of Deposit"
C'mon Poet explain why the person can't get their certificate.
I'll tell you why someone sold that position and that certificate is being used as collateral for the short position. The rightful owner can't even get his ceritifcate.
Penny stocks are not what this is about it about shorting. Pennies are even worse because MMs and off shore just do it naked and only pay a interest charge.
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Just broke 100 ... and the RB bashers and shorts are getting really upset. I mean really upset. Guess we struck a nerve.
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Thanks BB ... But just so you will know the character assassination on me has begun ... Almost instatntly the bashers and shorter are upset and I mean upset.
Last time they got this upset was when I blew the whisle on a CEO that issued himself a bunch of stock and ran off to the Bahamas and he got caught and had to return what he had.
This petition has definitely struck a nerve and as it makes its way to the stock heavily bashed and shorted it will get worse.
Now do you understand that shorts and bashers loves the boycott ... no resistance to taking the market down for capitulation. But talk about stopping shorting and they will come out of the wood work.
Wise decision not to be the author. But I have been through it before... Attack the messenger.
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Good Idea.
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It does not fit ??? HUH??? take regular stock then because I do not care if it is listed, unlisted, NYSE, AMEX, OTC OTCBB Pink SHEET GREY sheet, whatever. To borrow against my position to sell it before I feel it should sold and thus use my position as collateral for their gain is wrong.
How do you arrive at the conclusion that short selling is criminal when it is legal and accepted by the Nasdaq, the NYSE, the Fed, and the SEC?
Never said it was illegal except naked shorting. However, under any other circumstance selling what you do not own is against the law. Thus selling what is not mine I can go to jail and thus I am a criminal for doing it.
I do not give a flip it is legal or legal ... it is criminal to me because again under any other circumstance the law will lock you up for doing it.
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Look at CSCO, ORCL, SUNW, PCLN, SPLN and other listed stocks. Look at the short positions (traders selling other's property) to harm the investment value of those rightful owners.
I understand you have to remain nuetral. No problem but people have a right to protest that shorts sells their positions to hurt their investment.
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Hi Poet ... I always love attacking the messenger when I stike a nerve to evil in the market. Short Selling needs checks and balance and espeically transparency and another collateral for the thieves other than others property like the Commodities market does.
I have a good understanding of the market. I know they can sell other people's holdings and only have to pay an interest on it. I know they do not have to cover because they can "Float the Short" or "Float the Cover" but in the end the long term shareholder gets screwed.
I know the bashers and those that defend shorting the way it is would be the first to scream bloody murder it is happen under nay other circumstance. Because it is criminal.
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Some facts Frank ... If they do not do something we could be in serious trouble.
FACT - Over 70% of all American familes have investments in the stock market. (do they not have a right to be protected from those who would borrow their holdings and sell them to drive down their investment value?)
FACT - The stock markets in this country have reached new highs until 1 1/2 years ago. All indexes (NYSE, NASDAQ, AMEX)hit new all-time highs in 2000. Now All 3 indexes have sold off more than 30% since their peaks. Whereas, Nasdaq has sold off about 65% from its peak. ( but most of us still hold a lot of our positions and have even averaged down. Have we been buying phantom stock?)
FACT - The Fed has eased interest rates more than at any other time in our history, other than the great Depression of 1929. Whereas, Japan has eased interest rates to ZERO and injected TRILLIONS into the economy in order to attempt to revive it. But have failed. (is that what the terrorist of the stock market are out to do? Borrow what is not there and just sell everything and if they can;t borrow just sell anyway?)
FACT - Part of the American dream is that you can invest in the stock market as a way to enhance your retirement. (however if you are buying phantom shares that someone borrowed from some else that the rightful owner does not even know it ... isn;t that what is considered a scam, con, etc. to rip off people from their savings?)
Shorters and bashers need to be regulated.
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I put it on the GENI board on RB and the bashers went crazy. I am responding to emails and phone calls. Most realize that a boycott merely fueled the bashers and shorts where this petition addresses them. PAtsy, bb, & Toshac are extremely noble and good people ... wish they had not dropped it.
But they are the ones to be praised for the effort that led to this.
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Boy want to get the bashers upset ... post the petition and they will go nuttier than a fruit cake. However their attacks on me I been through before everything I go after what I believe is evil. My record and history I stand behind.
But this is not about me this ia about all small investor vs the shorters and bashers.
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where did that come from? I will go look ... and request a correction
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LOL ... trying to get him to buy more than just one. LMAO
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Dang up to 41 now ...
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Petition thread because the bashers and shorters are going to go nutz. They can attack me here for daring to do this petition.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=791
looking for two more directors
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Terrorist of the stock market needs to be talked about here http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=791
We need to leave this thread to the Acts of Terrorism concerning the WTC.
Hope to see you over there.
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Terrorist of the Stock Market Short & Bashers are going nutz over this petition. I guess they feel they are being robbed should this happen.
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Yep me too ... the bashers are dragging up everything on me. One thing about it if someone attacks it a shorter or a basher ... but I have had my entire life slammed out ont he interent before. Use to it... I know I have struck a nerve when the bashers and shorters start slamming me.
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Da great trading today ... 100 shares crossed traded 200 total.
CIIR cash & restricted stock
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Rb is the haven for bashers and shorts. Be perpared for it to be totally attacked. Where the boycott was to physically point out what is in this petition it would have helped the shorts and bashers by stopping trading and allowing them 100% control of the market. This is to take the control away from them.
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The terrorist of the stock market (bashers & Shorts) are raising cane which is exactly who should be ... I offered to write the petition for BB, Patsy & Toshac and we had an attorney review it. It is an opinion and does ot require anyone to do anything.
ALso the Boiycott was a great idea for the bashers and the shorters because stop the trading they can take the market down ... Now can you imagine the potential trouble that petition woul d have caused since the government is wanting people to buy ... The boycott would have fueled a market manipulation.
Again I do not sign petition normally because they are a crock especially if I have to physically do something. I signed the other petition that BB brought for the people who lost family. Requited nothing for me to do physically but support the concept of the petition.
I would sign one to investigate Hillary CLinton, Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson and other scenarios.
I offered others to do the petition but no one wanted to assume the liability. Well I authored it and I started it and I am quite prepared to take the ramifications if any should come from it.
This petition asks no one do anything if they believe in the statement and underlying basis of the petition. This is what should have been done to start with.
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Proud To Be An American Against Terrorism & Its Propaganda!
:=) Gary Swancey
The Terrorist of the stock market (bashers & Shorters) are starting to raise cane about that petition and it has not been out but a couple of hours. The bottomline is the government is lifting restriction to get people to buy and we are to buy what ... Phantom shares. They need to stop it and make it transparent.
"NO OWN - NO SELL" Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/NoShorts/petition.html
Proud To Be An American Against Terrorism & Its Propaganda!
:=) Gary Swancey
These are not normal times at all. The regulators lifted the sanctions on companies buying stocks, the NASDAQ lifted the sanction on the undr $1.00 bid and so forth because this is such a false market. Patriotic buying is nonsense when what we are buying is only phantom shares and the stocks fall.
The regulators are trying to get people buying but the shorts are trying desperately to stop people from buying. We are in capitulation and if the regulators do not do something our markets we be at zero.
"NO OWN - NO SELL" Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/NoShorts/petition.html
Proud To Be An American Against Terrorism & Its Propaganda!
:=) Gary Swancey