I hope you're right rockie, but Charles has already said that he plans to spin out Robustomed too, leaving ENZC with only the lawsuits, which is what I believe the purpose of this is.

No. If I already received the SAGA dividend, the ENZC pps remained at .15, and I was free to do what I wish my ENZC shares (sell or hold) without impacting my SAGA dividend, I would definitely have it under consideration. But other than that. No. All value is going to SAGA, so I want those SAGA shares.

Yes, I agree that if/when something is announced about deal closing and/or div date, I expect to see volume increase as more people buy to get div. The question is how high will they allow it to go? Will they let it reach what the $450M deal should put it at (.14-.15), or will they continue to keep it down. If they announce something and we see volume increase immediately & significantly, but then also see VIRT come back to join the party, it likely means there is a hard ceiling they want to keep it under. If VIRT stays away, then I believe we have a chance of maybe hitting .09-.12. However, I also believe there is a lot of time between now and when anything is announced, and at least for the time being, they appear to be holding true to their groundhog day pattern (dropping artificial ceiling by 0.005 every so often). As of today, it definitely appears as though they've locked in the artificial 03 ceiling, but we'll see.

With ASCM doing what they do best (shorting us), I'm not sure we can get back over .03 without some kind of update/PR, but I guess we'll see. RSI oversold at 26.1, but expecting another teaser-green day to add the padding they need.

Truthfully, if SAGA's OS is only 50M (45M + 5M current OS = 50M), a $100 PPS only puts the MC at $5B, which is only about 55% of what Charles told us C3 alone was worth conservatively. In other words, depending on how much they dilute and/or what they keep their OS at, at $100, $200, etc... PPS is definitely within the realm of possibility. It really comes down to how many SAGA shares we end up with + the true value of the IP that ENZC has been "hush-hush" about (C3, Plandemic19 mABS, AI Platform, Patent for MS, etc...) + what they keep their OS at.

I've made no secret about my feelings of this deal and/or how it seems Charles pulled the bait/switch with it, but I still believe we have a chance to make some $$ with SAGA. However, one does have to wonder what happened for Charles to pull that 180 and separate all of the value from ENZC vs the original plan of Audit + SEC Reporting + Uplist + Partnerships/Licensing from ENZC? I just believe there is a large piece to this puzzle that has been kept from us. Whether that large piece is good or bad for shareholders is yet to be determined, but here's to hoping/praying for the best!

All good DRUHMI.... We're on the same side (of several things) of this and want to see the best happen with ENZC. I can't speak for everyone else, but I personally passed up on 7 figures (not talking about fun run to .958 either, but passed up on that too) because of what we were led to believe was coming to ENZC by Charles & Chandra, and just getting tired of seeing this day in/out. Today seems to be ASCM shorting us into oblivion again, but right on que we're hit with the 10:30AM cliff drop. Every day pushed down, further and further, and I just can't believe that we're 10+ months 2023 and:

1. No audit
2. No SEC Reporting or uplist
3. PPS sitting in .02's, and appears the push down is not slowing down anytime soon.
4. On the way down, RSI drags and drops little by little, regardless of how far/hard down they push, regardless of volume/selling, etc..., yet when they need some padding, it jumps 10-20+ points from a small green day; then it's right back to push down, only with much more padding. Wash+Rinse+Repeat

Anyway, like I've been saying, it is what it is and I'm holding on for life at this point hoping for some kind of magic

Good Morning GlorifyGod. First, let me just say that I love your name/handle on here! Great Name.

That said, there are few things that just don't add up.

1. $450M deal on the table should put ENZC pps at .1459, yet we're still in the 02s and being driven down further day by day, but people are expecting to see BGEN/SAGA immediately add $450M in value to SAGA? I hope so, but not sure how. SAGA currently trading around $11, but once 36M-45M new shares are added, I imagine that $11 will drop.

2. What happened to Charles original plan he led us on with for 2.5+ years? Audit was a priority being completed, so they could go SEC Reporting and Uplist, which would bring in the BP partners, institutional investors, etc... Then in the First SAGA PR he put out, he subtly slipped in that "ENZC will continue trading on pinks." Why? What changed?

Also, Charles also told us C3 alone was conservatively worth $9.09B per year thru first 10-11 years, but we're selling that, as well as AI Platform, C7, Plandemic-19 mABS, ITV1, etc.... for only $450M and/or roughly 4.95% of what he said C3 alone was conservatively worth?

Lastly, why is he going with "bottom of the barrel" SPAC (SAGA)? All I'm saying is what we were all led to believe was happening via Charles & Chandra, took a hard turn somewhere that has never been explained and/or given any clarification.

Like I've been saying, I really hope I'm wrong about everything, but what originally began as a "Diamond in the rough" ticker with a "Diamond in the rough" OTC CEO, seems to have transformed into our typical OTC ticker & typical OTC CEO. I'm holding on for dear life here and hoping that I'm proven wrong, but it seems we'll need to wait quite some time to find out that answer.

I did a simple calculation using % ownership of ENZC, based on current OS of 3,083,804,133.

1,000,000 ENZC Shares ÷ 3,083,804,133 OS = 0.032427% Ownership or 0.00032427

0.032427% X 36,000,000 SAGA Shares = 11,673.89 or 11,674 SAGA Dividend

2B - My money is on ASCM shorting us again. There's just not enough interest/volume to combat it. Also, there's are 10:30AM cliff drop as usual with the Groundhog Day pattern. Never fails... RSI sitting at 24.x, but hasn't even dropped a full point from yesterday.

Yes DRUHMI, I understand they are selling the subs, but the valuable IP/Tech that we've all been holding to see come to fruition is under those subs, so my point being that IP/tech will be gone from ENZC when the sale of BGEN/VIRO is complete.

Yes we are getting a dividend of SAGA shares, but roughly 11K for every 1M ENZC shares, then I believe our ENZC shares will be worthless (more so than now) once this is done. Like I said, it is what it is. We don't have to agree. It's ok if we disagree, but I personally don't like this deal and view it as a RS. If ENZC would retain value after this deal, I would view it differently, but seeing as how Charles is trying to separate BGEN/VIRO from ENZC as quickly as he can, I just don't see ENZC holding any value post-sale. I hope/pray they do, but I don't see it.... Let's see what happens....

Wow! Still not gonna let this breathe today. ASCM is back to shorting us, and the new artificial ceiling of 03 is almost locked in place. This is becoming quite the joke!

I never said that he doesn't wan't us to benefit, just that what they're doing now (SAGA) vs what we were led to believe they were doing, I don't believe we'll benefit anywhere close to what we thought. That is just my thoughts though, and I hope I'm wrong rockie. However, as I've said from the beginning, I don't like this SAGA deal and view it as a disguised RS to remove BGEN/VIRO from ENZC. I know we're keeping our ENZC shares, but they're already worthless/undervalued, so what do you think they'll be trading at after we no longer have C3, C7, AI Platform, ITV1, etc...etc...etc...

Like I said, I'm just holding on and hoping/praying that I'm way off and Charles pulls a rabbit out of the hat, but based on the trading pattern, it seems that somebody want's this pps/ENZC valued as low as possible, and the push down doesn't seem to be losing any steam. I guess we'll see what happens....

rockie - I don't know anymore than you and am just speculating, but I believe Charles is trying to separate all valuable IP from ENZC & it's lawsuits. Like I've pointed out many times over the past few months, we've seen an obvious and noticable change in the way he releases PR's (All used to come out as ENZC, then mention the subs, now they come out under Subs themselves, specifically). If and when the time comes for Charles to disclose something big/significant (C3 cured HIV, C7 or other mABS cures plandemic-19, some other IP they have cures MS, etc...etc...etc...), I don't believe he'll disclose any of it until those subs are no longer under ENZC. In other words, I don't believe he wants the value they'll bring to fall under ENZC. I believe he wants that value to specifically fall under BGEN and/or VIRO, but once they're not longer under ENZC.

We have ask ourselves what changed that derailed the plan we were led to believe was happening for 2.5+ years? ENZC was supposed to be audited, I don't believe for a second that Gries isn't finished with 2022 yet. Once audited they were supposed to got SEC Reporting and #uplist, which was supposed to bring in the bigtime partnership talks, institutional investors, etc... Now, they're remaining on pinks per Charles, so no SEC reporting, and they're selling the majority of their disruptive tech/IP to a "bottom of the barrel" SPAC for only $450M? 2 years ago Charles told us that conservatively C3 by itself would bring in roughly $9.09B per year (and that was just C3). They're selling Saga almost everything (except robusomed) for roughly 5% (450M) of that? I really don't know what's going on, but it seems to me that Charles is trying to separate BGEN/VIRO from ENZC as quickly as he can.

Yup. I hear ya Dyno.... Unfortunately with the Regeneron scenario, I'm just not a believer in it. I think 1 of 2 things will happen with that.

1. If they're using our IP and/or we're partnering with them, Charles is not going to disclose it and/or make it known until BGEN is 100% completely separated from ENZC, so we will not see the benefit that we originally were holding out for. Whether it's SAGA or somebody else, Charles is intentionally separating all of the value from ENZC, so our benefit will depend on how many shares they give us via div.

2. Regeneron has made a name for themselves, has plenty of funds, and can likely get whatever funds/investors they need. If they are using one of the sites patented by ENZC, but not partnering with ENZC, I believe they will take it to court, where it will go on for years and cost 10's, if not 100's of millions of dollars in legal fees. Charles may be a great lawyer, but in this type of scenario, they would need a team of great lawyers, which comes at a cost. I'm hoping this isn't what's going to happen, but BP is evil and a cut-throat industry, so I can't rule it out either.


In regards to Clone 3/7, I see a similar scenario to #1 above. If they've discovered that C3 does in fact cure HIV and they have proof, Charles still is NOT going disclose that info until BGEN is safely gone from ENZC and under SAGA or some other company. So once again, we will not see the monetary benefit that we've been holding for, but instead will see something substantially smaller dependent on how many shares of SAGA or whoever ends up buying them, we get.

All of that being said, my biggest frustration comes from 2 areas. First, what we've been told and/or led to believe for 2-3 years vs what they're doing. #Audit #Uplist #Yachts "Monumental Shift" "ENZC Shareholders will have their day" etc... We were led to believe for more than 2 years that ENZC was doing audit, so they (ENZC) could go SEC reporting, then uplist. Charles told us Clone 3 was valued at roughly $9.09B per year conservatively, which puts ENZC around $3+, and that is just C3. Doesn't include ITV1, AI Platform, Plandemic-19 mABS, etc... However, instead we find out that he's decided to sell off 99% of our value for a whopping $450M, and we end up with something like 11,674 SAGA shares for every 1M ENZC shares we own, not to mention that the $450M seems insanely undervalued for HIV Cure, AI Platform, Plandemic 19 mABS, ITV1, and whatever else they're doing. Honestly, I think he's just trying to separate BGEN/VIRO from ENZC as quickly as he can.

Second, over the past 2-2.5 years, I have seen some of the most obvious and aggressive manipulation/control that I've ever seen, and it has gone 100% unaddressed. When a market maker joins the party only to use their algo to control the pps (ask & bid) without actually facilitating a single trade (sell or buy), that is NOT "making a market." This is exactly what VIRT has done on 3 separate occasions now (Jan 2022, May 2023, just recently), and it has gone unaddressed each time.

Anyway, at this point, it is what it is. Just holding on hoping for some kind of miracle.

This is basically our daily chart every day for the past 2.5+ years (slight variations here and there). Usually see a drop at 10:30AM & 2:30PM EST, but even on the days we don't, we still see that downward slant. It truly is unbelievable.

LOL.... I hear CK and I'm doing the same, but was just curious as to how low everyone thought they'd take us. Truthfully, I didn't expect this. I am beyond shocked that we are 10+ months into 2023, have a $450M deal on the table (still undervalued), and yet we're sitting in the 02's with no signs of breaking back up anytime soon.....

Any guesses as to how low they're going to drive this? It seems we'll have an artificial ceiling locked at .03 before close, then .025 is on deck. Anyway, I'm serious asking, and let me re-phrase a little: "How low does everyone think they're going to drive this before we hear/see anything from Charles? When I say hear/see anything, I mean anything of significance, NOT fluff BS....

Unbelievable that we're sitting in 02s. RSI oversold and sitting at 26, but as I posted the other day, I imagine the "control-pattern" will continue and they'll somehow give us a small green bump (+2-5%) and RSI will jump 10-15 points, providing the padding they need to continue. This turned into an absolute sh!t-show! What a joke!

2b - Of course there is some retail mixed in, but they are not the ones in control of the pattern that we've been held to over the past 2.5+ years. If I had to guess right now, I'd say that PUMA has been in control the past couple of days while VIRT+OTCN have been absent. Once we were pushed safely under .034, VIRT disappeared, OTCN remained perched at .04, and it looked like PUMA retook control.

Just curious.... Has anyone been on X or discord? Curious as to what they're saying and/or if it anything different than "wow! what a great opportunity for more cheapies!." LOL....

Took a quick break (saw that they're about to push us under 03 and use that as the new artificial ceiling). RSI is currently oversold at 28.50, but usually when it gets to this range, they'll trade sideways slowly and/or push up in a way that pads the RSI and gets them out of OS, leaving plenty of room/padding for them to continue their pattern.

We'll see what they do here, but RSI is currently oversold at 28.50

Sorry 2b…. In the process of moving, so won’t be at computer for several hours.

I hear Dyno and definitely feel your frustration, but keep in mind that when we broke .10 in May 2023, we were driven back down in the exact same fashion that we were back in Jan 2022 (VIRT + OTCN Tagteam Algos). We did not fall back down organically. Identical to what happened in Jan 2022, the second we broke.10 VIRT appeared on L2, Synced up with OTCN, and drove us right back down without actually buying or selling. OTCN didn't even begin selling until we hit roughly .06ish, then they never stopped. However, while we were over .10 both used their algos to keep dropping both bid & ask without actually ever buying or selling. Once they drove us safely back under .10, OTCN began non-stop selling and VIRT disappeared completely until a few days ago. Now, if/when we hit .034ish, VIRT immediately reappears and does the same thing to ensure we remain under .035.

I have no idea who is behind them and/or the purpose of what their doing, but I can say with 100% certainty that it is definitely NOT "making a market."

Just hit that infamous :2:30PM EST time. What will happen? Will we see the usual cliff drop, or is the RSI too low for that? We shall see soon enough....

Looks like OTCM updated today. No change with OS according to them, but I'm not sure about restricted vs unrestricted. I don't have a snippet of the prior update, so I'm not sure if either changed. Does anyone else on here know?

Yup.... They can't drive us straight down though. They drive us down in chunks, then trade sideways with a small teaser green to pad the RSI, then start all over again. It's literally been the exact same pattern for 2.5+ years....

So we were just down 8.1%, and the RSI barely dropped 3 points to 29.xx? Gotta love how that works. I figure we'll see a 3-6% green day on Monday, and the RSI will magically jump12-18 points, providing the padding they need to continue what they've been doing. Let's see how it play's out....

That's just an absolute joke. I obviously haven't been shy about my feelings, but even with everything going on here, missed timelines, etc...., we should be trading at a minimum of roughly $1B MC and/or $0.30 pps. $0.30 pps would be roughly 10% of what C3 was projected at by itself years ago, and since then the AI platform has evolved, the plandemic-19 mABS, etc.... To think that we shouldn't be trading at a minimum of 10% of C3 only is nonsense.

That said, they have done such a good job beating this down over the past 2 years, there's just no way that retail is coming back at the volume we need to get there, without something tangible/significant. Regardless, we are so severely undervalued, it's not even funny!

Well Hunterdave, although my list is getting quite full, I've made room for you. Your posts will no longer appear, so feel free to reply to me as much as you like, as I will never see them.

Also, may I suggest you do the same? If you don't like what somebody's posting and/or just don't read their posts, use the functions available on iHub so you no longer have to see/read them...

If fact rockie, in addition to that reply I just sent you, pay attention to the following. "IF" (and that is a BIG if) we somehow get back to .034 today, watch VIRT immediately appear and use their algo (no buying or selling) to keep us under .035. Once they have us safely back under .034, they'll disappear. Again, this is NOT making a market and should be addressed.

Honesty rockie, I'm not sure, but what worries me is if there was another one, I think they would've already went that way. SAGA seems to be a "bottom of the barrel" SPAC, so I wonder why that's the deal Charles chose. Samsung has seen everything, and I'm sure they've shared with others as well, so why haven't any of them ponied up the $$? Instead, we're selling the 2 subs, one of which (BGEN) contains C3 which was projected at roughly $9.09B per year, as well as the AI platform, for $450M (actually for a few shares of SAGA)? Something doesn't seem right, but then again we still don't have the full picture, so who knows.

My frustration comes from the unaddressed 2.5+ year control of our pps. The entire purpose of MM's is to make a market (facilitate trades), but that is the last thing that has been done here. All one has to do is watch VIRT when they appear, and what they'll find is a MM using their capabilities as MM & algo to control the price. They are neither buying, nor selling, but rather using their algo to hold the ask where somebody wants it. Not only is it illegal, it is the furthest possible thing from "making a market," yet it has went completely unaddressed for 2.5+ years. Just gets old watching it go on freely and unaddressed.

I was kinda hoping for the same thing, but pretty sure that the odds are against us on that one. I remember a couple years ago when I was extremely impressed with Charles and comfortable with everything he was doing regardless of whether we knew the details or not, but I'm just not there anymore. My experience in OTC is telling me that commons shareholders are nowhere near a priority for Charles.

It truly is unbelievable what they've done to shareholders over the past 2.5+ - 3 years. Some may get upset with this next statement/question, but I'll say/ask anyway.

At what point do we think we can go the route of class action? When is enough is enough? Nothing, and I mean nothing that they have led us to believe has come even remotely close to coming true, and gets worse every day.

If they were cancelling shares, the pps would be going the other way. However, that said, they've pushed the RSI into oversold, so now time to add some padding, so they can continue with the push down/games.

Funny how that 10:30AM pattern has held true for 2.5+ years now. Regardless of what anyone says, that is not normal nor organic.

Yup.... I know that.... Not expecting one, but the question still remains....

As it tries to go up, VIRT re-appears to help stack, but doesn't actually sell. Then if somebody jumps to drop the ask, they disappear. If it goes back up, they re-appear (no selling though)...etc...etc..etc... WASH + RINSE + REPEAT

The question I have is who is directing them? Who are they doing this for?

Not sure what you're asking 2B, but there is VIRT once again doing exactly as I've stated. This is NOT making a market. It is controlling a pps through their algo.

Yes, I feel I'm 100% correct 2B. Very easy to see. VIRT does not buy nor sell, they just use their algo to control the pps as needed. It's unbelievable that it's never been addressed by Charles & co

Gee... LOL... Who could've seen that coming.... Not predictable at all... LOL

Looks like it's gonna be an ugly day here.... Set up for the Pre-market fakedown. Likely an immediate drop of the artificial ceiling to .035, but we shall see...

VIRT is not going to allow this up and/or back over 04