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I am almost willing to bet Scott won't have anything spectacular..
Why else would Ezra, Ginsberg, and Smith pull so much skin out of the game if VitaminFizz is such a grand slam?
Lets hope I am wrong though, because I'd love to break even and get my money back, because it will take a 10 bagger just to do that.. A big move.
it is called bait and switch..
How many times has Vanis done this to us, yet so many still haven't learned his patterns yet..
Ezra and Vanis have said so many misleading things since that CC, that who really knows what is true and what is real at this point..
I am really looking forward to a light switching on here in a few days..
Vanis even went as far as saying something like;
'They all want shares instead of cash..'
In terms of a celebrity endorser.. He did say that, and many other things which have turned out to be out right lies..
PowerBrands is out as are the other Red Bull Guys..
They only have a 10% residual on Net Profits, so not too much skin in the game anymore..
They didn't have anymore shares to issue.. If you read the last Q this business is being built by issuing shares as payment for its business transactions..
If you remember, we received the R/S news just as the share structure was maxed out.. If Minerco is going to continue operations, they had to R/S so that there are new shares which the company can access and use in place of capital..
It is hard to say.. Look how his last business venture ended, and that was in the field he went to college for..
We should know anyday whether he was honest of full of BS..
A 5 xs move is a big move.. I don't think most people realize that..It was the norm during the pot rush, but that is long gone..
What could Vanis possibly have to make this a 5-10 bagger like many on this board believe.
1. That would to be one hell of a game changer..
a) Would going national run us that much?
2. the 'work horse?'
I am tired of waiting.. Lets hear what it is or isn't already..
I hope you're right..
I kept telling this board that a split was coming for months before it did, and they used to get pissed at me, just like they do now when I bring up other topics..
The anticipation with this thing is crazy, we've been in the dark for a long time, lets hope it was worth it...
I sincerely hope Vanis has something for us and this thing goes to $1... could certainly use the money!
that would be amazing..
A big part of me wants to ask..
Why do you Think Vanis is so late on this filing, and he was late on the last filing because he had to dress his shi.. news up to soften the blow because he didn't have anything..
I have a feeling this 10k is going to be the same.. He is struggling to make shi... look good..
And, like I keep saying.. This update is the tell.. Concrete news and things in place, hooray.. If it is future looking BS, we know he has been lying thru he teeth to buy time..
Yes, or he has entities on the outside buying and selling timed with his news releases..
He could simply take those 'secret' profits and fool us by making purchases on the open market..
Think about how much his Form 4's pumped up the crowds on Twitter back in the day..
And now Vanis can use it, 'Oh, I am with you too. Look at all the shares I have..'
I am very skeptical it is honest.. Back in the day, when I was a hardcore MINEr and I would tout to my best friend that Vanis was buying all kinds of shares, it used to piss me off that my best friend didn't find that fact very convincing.. He was skeptical of MINE from the get go.. After a year and a half of following Vanis's track record.. I am thinking my best friend was right.. Now I am starting to get it..
A big part of me believes that Vanis buys shares on the open market to create an illusion...
If he is as smart as all the MINErs say, then he has surely made his money back on the stock one way or another..
Lets hope it means something..
We are talking about publicly traded OTC stocks, not tax revenues of Colorado dispensaries..
I agree 100%... The 'Pot Rush' was a once in a life time occurrence.. All that new pot money entering the OTC, 420i, The Wolf, Twitter, articles in Rolling Stone all helped to push those stocks to unbelievable valuations..
Too many were burned to fall for it again, too much info is on the web sharing with newbies at how short lived OTC runs are, and Scott Vanis used the perfect THC lure at the time to attract us all to MINE..
I've never said that we are done and that it is all over.. I believe all penny stocks have their runs...
I have just become skeptical of the long term chances for this company.. I honestly do hope that Vanis comes through. We should be finding out very soon here..
Fingers crossed, as I would love to make some money and pay my student loans off..
What does this have to do with 'the giants in the shadows' selling the majority of their FIZZ holdings?
Bud Guy! Where you been man!?
Smith, Ezra and Ginsberg have reduced their holding to just a 10% residual on Net Profits..
Sadly, they no longer have a skin in the game to ensure that this is knocked outta the park..
Things have certainly taken a turn from the early days when we were posting.. What are your thoughts?
I know it is easier for you guys to just dismiss what I say, and it is probably easier for you to think I was just looking for a quick flip, but the reality is that I was once an awesome MINEr, posted a lot of great stuff which in turn inspired many to buy into MINE, but the track record Vanis established, and the fact that FIZZ is struggling and entering a crowded space, mixed with what I feel is Scott Vanis lying and pumping has made me change my stance..
Lets hope Scott really has something.. Like I keep saying, this next update is key.. If Vanis has concrete things in place we know he was working hard, if it is his usual BS forward looking statements, then we know he was lying just to buy himself time..
I hope we all do make money, but the Red Bull guys are out for a reason, which was a big selling point at one time. If Fizz is so huge and I was CEO of Big Red I don't think I would relinquish my holdings, would you?
I know my posts scare you guys because they are articulate, well written, and strike a chord... Vanis has left us a lot of room to distrust, and that is where I am at right now, very skeptical..
I am sorry that many of you sank big buck into this, but hopefully lessons learned all around..
Bryce, you're funny.. I've tried to be nice to you son. You call it complaining.. I consider it discussing the facts and the track record.. I don't care, I've lost all my money already and was never dumb enough to sink more than a few G's into a penny stock..
Bryce,
I understand that.. The point of the debate is that there are a lot of very similar products..
I also understand that products like fizz can help people get off soda, as I have had a friend tell me exactly that without her knowing my connection to the subject..
Through all the twists and turns this debate has taken, my fundamental worry is that there is a lot of competition, and a lot of Fizz has to be sold to generate those big revenues..
Soulman, I spent the first year and a half posting on the positive side.. I really do hope that Vanis has something spectacular.. I'd love to make some money on this thing..
Posting is how I get to the bottom of things, I do it for me, not you.. I know my posts scare you guys, but this is how we will all learn..
Lets hope you guys are right and Vanis is doing Amazing things, and that Fizz will be huge.. My money has been gone for a long time, and it isn't going to make or break me.. So, I am willing to watch this thing, but I am not going to walk on egg shells and not call out BS when I see it..
I can agree that it says 100% Vitamins B and C, but if this is your logic for why it is so different from the other flavored sparkling waters, how do you come to terms with the fact that the same label that says 100% Vitamin C also has a Warning about a few of the ingredients in the UK?
The point is, that these are all basically the same product.. No matter how you slice it, they are all Flavored Sparkling Waters.. Yes some taste good, some don't, some have 10%, some have 100%, but in the end, if you really think that you're getting healthy drinking a 'diet soda' like, chemical concoction, vitamin fortified soda water, I certainly can't help you..
They are close enough to pose a problem.. Whether you want to face it or not, they are all just flavored, sparkling waters.. Period.
The similarites far out weigh any difference..
No offense, only a fool believes he would be getting his vitamins from a 'diet soda' like beverage..
And, Ginsberg is out.. As is Smith and Ezra.. Yes yes, 'but they have a 10% stake.'
This also means they aren't completely vested in making sure this is a success anymore.. They sold it to Vanis for whatever reason and now just collect 10% whether it is a winner or a loser, no skin of their backs anymore.. A big seling point on this at one point was that the 'Red Bull' guys were so heavily involved, but they aren't anymore..
I ask you this.. If Fizz is going to be so huge, why would Ginsberg and Smith relinquish their ownership? Especially since Smith could incorporate it under his Big Red brand..
There are two sides to every coin..
Lets hope this all comes to fruition soon.. 2015 has been a slump so far, and it is concerning that we were told things like; 'It will pale in comparison..'
To me, it sounds like Ezra and Vanis have been doing a lot of pumping since the very beginning..
Lets hope I am wrong, but this coming update is going to be a big tell..
SS1.. My agenda? Everyone who cares to know can find me easily on Twitter, you can know exactly who I am and what I do.. As you suggest in your personal message to me about my agenda being clear.
I have roughly 5,000 Shares of MINE at .75 cost in one account, and some more in an IRA with a cost of $1.1
I was a hardcore MINEr at one point, but Vanis, the track record being established, and the beyond crowded market space have me seriously questioning this company. This is called critical thinking.. Believe me I would love MINE to go to $1..
I've never once seen you write an honest, human, original idea, or even state how many shares you have in a post.. I am stuck in MINE, and I challenge this board which I know scares you guys, but this how serious people get to the bottom of things..
Mitch, I could be wrong, I am willing to admit it, but I don't see CBD and Hemp Herbal teas being a huge success.. Also, why did Vanis say THC isn't going to the back burner with the coming elections if they don't intend to use it as a lure for pot money, not to mention where are they going to get the money to produce these THC drinks?
I attached links to all the other Sparkling Beverage's we are competeing with, and the majority of the MINE board had a meltdown yesterday..
Like I said... SS1 copy and pastes old PRs and you guys call it DD.. So what, Avanzar distributes Rocky Mountain High.. AND?
On a side note, I really can't wait to see what BS Vanis throws at us on the next update..
I have heard of the companies, and I have read about CBD and hemp.. I agree that making products out of hemp is a great idea, but I don't really think that a CBD Tea is going to be a ground breaking revenue driving product..
SS1 isn't spoon fed info anymore, so his 'DD' of copying and pasting old PRs doesn't really do it for me..
I can only imagine that THC will burn more money than it will make.. Just like VitaminFIZZ is doing.. Fizz is struggling, it needs the help of some miracle 'work horse' to bail it out..
When on the CC Ezra and Vanis told us that Fizz was the work horse, or was going to do the 'Heavy Lifting..'
I've never heard one person ever express interest in such a product, and have never seen one in a store..
Its not going to be anything spectacular.. #Markit
First of all, Minerco doesn't even have the money to keep Fizz going without the help of some 'work horse' game changer, so where are they going to get the money to produce some CBD tea..?
Vanis used the THC as a lure to attract all the new MJ money during the 'pot rush' and it worked.. Period.
Exactly... Retailers are just making their own versions of the sparkling waters.. FIZZ if it ever does get national will be just one of many of its kind on the shelves..
10s of millions will have to be sold just to profit $20 million which gets us no where near SS1 and Lucky's pps valuation for an uplist..
Even if that is the case... Almost all of my friends are 'stoners' and I have never herd them once express interest in a CBD herbal tea..
Mitch you seem smart, but come on man.. The THC thing is a joke..
Vanis only used THC to get the initial interest of all the MJ investors during the 'pot rush' and it worked..
Like I said; if FIZZ is struggling, then how is a product like THC which is over 21, minimal states, and only sold in the handful of dispensaries ever going to make money?
Answer, its not.. Like I said, THC was a lure..
You're right, I think it was Kroger that helped propel Sparkling Ice a few years ago, but there aren't any of those in Chicago.
The thing that worries, is there are just so many sparkling waters on the market now, and box retailers like Walgreens have their own Nice Brand, Costco has their own Kirkland brand, and so on..
This is a problem no matter how good fizz tastes, there is just A LOT of competition, and when only selling for $1.20, Minerco is going to have to sell millions upon millions of bottles of FiZZ..
Yes yes, 'but they have THC coming too..'
Big deal, over 21, 2-3 states, marginal market at best. I promise you, there is no money to be made in a THC beverage. Period..
If FIZZ, which can be bought and consumed by anyone, and sold in stores and not only dispensaries, if this isn't cutting it, then a THC beverage is a joke..
- Vitamin Creamer, who knows.. So, as of right now, Minerco is a one trick pony..
* I am looking forward to what Vanis has to say for himself.. I am 75% sure it is going to be future looking BS.. Let's hope I am wrong.
Their 100% ownership also means that the Big names, the Red Bull guys, the guys who know the Beverage Industry are out..
Yes yes, 'But they still have a 10% stake', I know that, but this means they don't have it all on the line. A full commitment to make it succeed, and to knock it out of the park as we used to say..
If FIZZ is going to be so huge, why would Gary Smith and Ginsberg be reducing their stake?
This is probably why Smith has never come out of the shadows..
I saw someone write before that they don't care what Vanis has said, as much as they care about what he has accomplished this year, or something to that effect, but it just doesn't sit right, some of what Vanis has said..
- He damn well knows they don't have the revenue or credibility to uplist to the NASDAQ or NYSE.. So why say that you are for any reason but a pump?
- We all knew the split was coming, or I tried to tell you guys for months, but Vanis did say 'no split..'
- In retrospect what Vanis and Ezra say on that CC is downright misleading, misinformation, and outright lies, mixed with some half truths.
- The whole 'Emergency Production Run' a few months back, I think we can all admit at this point was BS.. So why say for any other reason than a pump?
* I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.. Things have gotten fishy in 2015, Vanis has vanished, and there is a lot of room for investors to distrust and be speculative at this point..
I am looking forward to seeing some new numbers, don't expect them to be good, and 75% of me thinks that Vanis won't have any 'game changer..'
For me this next update is key, if Vanis doesn't have anything concrete we know he was just Bull Shi... us to buy some time..
Fingers crossed..
This is a great point.. We usually only tend to recognize or see what we know..