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Here is my challenge. Cap’ Cut & Paste will continue to post the same challenge over and over and over again until VP makes billions and billions of dollars in which case he will move the goal post. Prove me wrong! He can’t!! It’s a fact!!!
Go ahead, try! The future can’t be proven until it happens. That’s all you need to know about this overcooked cheeseburger.
Yes he is suggesting that and much, much, more. Rationalizing his beliefs using the same flawed logic. “If it hasn’t happened in the last 10 years, it will never happen!”
How about those 100 year storms Nostradamus? “Today”, is the home court of this bozo, the period of play doesn’t extend beyond his attention span, and he will disappear if VP hits and he will celebrate alone if it doesn’t. Either way, his obsession with the past as prologue portends a thoroughly unsatisfying result for him regardless of the outcome.
If VP loses, then he has failed to save every VP believer from themselves and if VP hits, then he has spent 10 years pushing a failed narrative. Regardless, he is a loser. Ya sure I’ll listen to someone that thinks that’s a good bet..,, NOT
“Yes, but with VPLM it's always like this:“
Until it isn’t.
Perhaps name change adding USA is to differentiate US patent operations from European patent operations?
Wrong message, fat fingers. Sorry.
“My challenge stands”
On legs of wax firmly planted in quicksand.
“rather untalented touts (all two of them, with their dozens of alternate IDs):”
Please identify these insiders and their aliases oh prescient one and further prove your ignorance or stop lying and save any dignity you may have remaining. These insinuations are crap and you know it. It’s a disingenuous path to attempt to legitimize your years of false and failed predictions.
Sure, the challenge is real, it’s also incredibly stupid. Cut, paste, repeat. If you’re going for the message board embodiment of Groundhog Day, you nailed it! “Goo” luck!
Your challenge stands as your relevance fades.
“Chang and the other insiders have zero confidence in the future pps of VPLM, and I think we all really know why.”
You neither think, know, or surmise. You simply hammer away at your square pegs hoping they will fit into the round hole of your preferred and otherwise predetermined (scripted) and factually unsupported position. Every post is a thinly camouflaged ideological screed masquerading as a factual statements, the details of which you have no way of knowing, all while spewing opinions clear coated with the most transparent of fig leafs with the intent to create a veneer of truth where nothing but opinion exists. At least you are consistent. I would say you are dishonest but I have no way to know that, perhaps you are just a tool. Can’t say with any honesty.
Thanks.
Once you complete ten 1000 word posts, your employer will add another 50 cents to your check. But not before then.
Butters do you think it’s possible these might be sweetheart deals where the defendant agrees to halt litigation and adopt the court’s ruling in exchange for better terms ie: no treble damages or reduced damages? Union shops do it all the time so they can avoid striking. It’s not apples to apples comparison but a hybrid deal?
Talk about insider information, look at the notable increase in frequency of basher posts multiple days prior to today. Some knocked out 5 posts in a row out of the blue in response to nothing. Why would that be? 2 bashers in particular one with a 3 letter moniker, an incontinent keyboard, and musings that can best be described as mental masturbation. The other, cut and paste repetitive, and in desperate need of human contact. Someone please “ get back to him”. What prompts such prolific posting outbursts prior to a bump in pps and volume when there is no public information indicating a change in the status quote??? Hmmm…
A rare moment of truth from someone who produces more irrelevant content here than any other poster. Yes, please move along.
And please don’t make the semantic argument using the missing “it” as your basis for counter. Dropping “it” was rhetorically useful to making a broader point.
Then strap your wings on and get to flapping.
He sure looks quite deft compared to you based on your daft post.
“I understand the truth hurts”
I would expect that you have a lot of personal experience with that.
Your projection hasn’t gone unnoticed. Own up to it and you’ll feel better.
"My challenge stands."
So does a dead tree in the forest, and nobody cares about that either.
Today is Thursday. This morning it was Thursday. This afternoon it remains Thursday. Tonight it will still be Thursday. Get back to me when it is Friday when it is in line with the end of week predictions all the calendar pundits have been pushing. Means nothing as that will never happen.
I’m a genius, I tell you, a genius!!!
You are arguing with a six year old post. I have no issue with the facts you present. The problem lies with the predictions, assumptions, and conclusions that you deem to be facts. They are not facts! And the desperate need to convert people to your way of thinking and then calling anyone that doesn’t agree with you childish names. You are so blinded by your need to be validated that you can’t even see the difference between facts and opinions.
Not at all. Looking to the court dates. Yes, I know that seems quite foreign to a trader who's concept of time spans from yesterday to tomorrow. But, I currently hold 3 patents and have 2 more in process filed last year. Monetizing has been a process but the investors backing them believe it’s worth the wait. Do the same rules apply to them? Should they forgo the patent process, discontinue their support, and invest in a stock that you recommend? One that pays out quicker.? Maybe 200% compared to continued income for years to come at a rate far beyond 200%? They don’t think so, or they would have done it. Our patents, unlike VPLM’s, cover an invention that is mechanical in nature with a physical product that must be manufactured. The key to succeeding for us is to be first to market. We have no illusions that we would be able to defend our patent rights beyond the US. And should our designs be stolen and brought to market before we can establish our brand, we would be fighting to defend our property against people using money generated by the very thing we are trying to protect. Sound familiar? For that and other reasons, we have determined filing for protection in foreign countries, China mainly but others as well, is more dangerous than useful. They have the capability to manufacture and move to market in a matter of months. And even if we had a foreign patent protecting us, they just move their operation to another country where we may not have protection. We are also scrambling to get to market prior to our patent application being published. Because, once our designs are out in the public sphere, if we have not established our manufacturing, marketing and, distribution channels, we will be at risk of losing it all to unethical businesspeople that are nimbler in those areas than we are and risk them beating us to market.
Investing is a risk whether it’s a stock or a company developing a new product. When we have setbacks, as is normal in developing a working prototype and translating that to a manufactured product at a reasonable price, should we give up and wave our hands in the air? All is lost! All is lost! That is the nature of my investment in VPLM as well. I don’t believe all is lost. And no one on this board knows what my position is, whether I am upside down, even, or ahead. Yet, armed with that lack of knowledge, they feel confident that their trading philosophy neatly fits into everyone else’s experience, and they should be chided for not adopting their advice calling them rubes, idiots, “true believers”, among other derisive terms. To those few posters I say “Thank you for your concern. Now, go sit on a cactus!”
DungSpawter
Re: fung_derf post# 57785
Monday, July 23, 2018 12:43:08 PM
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Yes seriously. I think you missed the point again. IT'S A PROCESS. The monetary win comes when the process is complete. If you invest in company A in May and it hasn't made money by August but it has made significant progress in developing it's widget, IP, whatever against extreme odds bucking the BIG Widget manufacturers beating them to the patent rights and successfully defending those rights in an IPR with the PTAB, that is a win even though no money will be made for years. That comes when the product is sold, licensed, combination of both after all hurdles have been overcome. Just because it hasn't made money on your artificially created timeline doesn't mean it won't, doesn't mean it can't and doesn't mean it's a bad investment. It's like you are conflating day trading with investing in your narrow argument. Are there no wins in baseball leading up to the regionals, division and league finals? It's a process.
Apparently my posts were not deleted. Willful blindness on your part perhaps?
I suppose I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
I don't take issue with what you believe, the issue is how you push it by insulting anyone and everyone that doesn't agree with your opinion. And that is what it is, an OPINION. There are folks on this board far brighter, better researched, and with much more experience than you who disagree with your assumptions. But that isn't good enough for you and your like minded homunculi. Agree with us GOOD, Don't Agree, Bad! It seems you all are more interested in being right than saving investors from themselves. To have your self worth and ego so wrapped up in everyone on this tiny board agreeing with you is pathetic, and then wrapping yourself in a cloak of good intentions woven of your own words says a lot about your motivation. Hold and express your opinions, no problem. I don't believe anyone would take issue with that. Just be honest and don't be a Dick about it.
Wow Sherlock! You have outdone yourself. Keep digging and I bet you can find some info on when he was late for school one morning at age 6.
Why can't you understand that no one is going to listen to an anonymous poster with an ax to grind, who throws against the wall any and all unrelated info that he thinks may have a negative connotation, no matter how old, unsupported or tangential it may be? All this in the hope that maybe it will bolster the same tired argument he has been peddling ad nauseam since he arrived on this board. And a shout out to the self-aggrandizing, self-ornamentation, and self-proclaimed expertise on subjects he has, until recently, failed to even research, telling everyone what a great guy he is for selflessly helping others avoid the death machine that is VPLM. That this being his sole motivation flies in the face of the tone taken in his posts which attempt to insult people into listening to him. What a Cheeseburger.
Now your credibility is dependent on the actions of others. It's worse than I thought.
Yes it is a sad day. I'm not sure how I'll cope. My only solace lies in the fact that I don't care! My sole purpose on this board is to draw attention to the sad individuals that continue to beat the drum of their own ignorance or worse, malicious intent. There is a saving grace here though. Your cut, paste, post and repeat obsession with "Your Challenge" does little for your credibility, as if you had any to begin with. So, I will continue to elevate your "phone it in" style of posting and the over exaggerated sense of self importance that you wrap it in. God Please hear my plea and remove this insidious challenge from my life! And if possible silence the All Powerful Wizard that conjured it and holds it over my head like the sword of Damoclese. Yea right! What a crock!
Your ignorance is only magnified through your posts.
I think their junior, junior, legal teams are busy bashing Vplm on ihub. It’s amazing the intellectual fire power they have unleashed on this little message board. Not!
True. They should have followed your lead and just bumped into a mirror.
"Wow....again, change my posts to fit your needs.
The only difference is, I provide the facts THEN ask the questions. Whereas you just make up questions."
Read your own posts. You're just pissed because someone is calling you out on your BS.
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Question “I guess then the CEO doesn't know what's happening with his company.....or maybe he's not telling his wife?.....Commentary “well no, that's not it because he's getting sued for insider dumping currently......”
Question “I wonder, why would the CEO be selling so much if he plans to reward everyone? ....Question “and why does he keep requesting postponements?
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You're right D DR.
Probably the better course.
3 and out
So what you've posted on the lawsuits isn't publicly available information?
I never said "make the reader think", I said "Make the reader feel". There's a world of difference between the two.
What I am doing is pointing out the technique you employ to make statements unsupported by facts seem somehow benign when they are anything but.
Example:
Perhaps you work for one of the defendant's law firms? (unsupported statement with a question mark)
I have no way of knowing that, (But it's logical right? I put thought into this.)
I'm just asking the question. (I'm just being curious, not pushing false info)
Like I said the technique is BS!
“I guess then the CEO doesn't know what's happening with his company.....or maybe he's not telling his wife?.....well no, that's not it because he's getting sued for insider dumping currently......”
Let me try:
I guess Fung Derf can’t make his point by stating facts, or maybe he just has a thing for question marks? Well no, that’s not because the factual information he posts is just regurgitated publicly available information and the analysis is a pre-determined point of view…..
Maybe you don’t realize that you seed your questions with your preferred answer rather than stating your opinion outright? Question the question mark!
I wonder why you would do that if you were truly looking for answers rather than pushing an agenda? – See that question mark there? That was a statement!
Why do you keep doing that? – Already answered with the previous statement ended with a question mark. It’s a technique you continue to employ and it’s a less than honest way of soliciting information and a sneaky way of pushing your agenda.
The question mark can’t absolve you of making negative statements for which you have no proof. But, but I was only asking a question. If that’s your fig leaf, it’s not working.
Perhaps you are attempting to make the reader feel as though they came up with the same conclusion on their own?
Is Fung Derf being paid to write this stuff? I don’t know, I was just asking a question. What a bunch of BS!
Why do you you act like you are the only person in the world that has a lock on the truth about VPLM?
Why do you post more frequently whenever the PPS Rises?
Why do you consider everyone that disagrees with you blind to the truth?
Why do you spend so much of your time trying to spin every kernel of negative information into a huge scandal?
Why did you suddenly become a prolific poster after years of absence from this board?
Who pays you?
Have you ever invented anything or held a patent?
How can you promote yourself as an expert with no bonafides provided?
What size shoe do you wear?
Is your shoe size equivalent to your IQ?
Just asking...
You are the poster child for the false assumption that there are no stupid questions.
As Critobal Colon set off across the Atlantic on a journey of uncertain distance and duration in search of a shorter route to India, one faster and cheaper than through the treacherous waters off the Cape of Good Hope on the southern tip of Africa, most good citizens of Spain watched their departure with hope, anticipation and some concern as their friends and family members sailed off into uncharted territory. One notable exception was a self-styled fortune teller known as Helios the Blemished. Helios passionately told anyone who would listen, that the voyage was doomed. No ship had ever returned from such a foolish undertaking. After all the “smart” people knew the world was flat and any fool venturing beyond the end of the ocean would perish by falling off the edge of the earth into oblivion. “They will never return” Helios the Blemished explained, “They didn’t return yesterday, they didn’t return last year, therefor they will never return!” he pronounced emphatically. “Only stupid people believe the world is round!”
When Cristobal Colon and several of his original crew finally made their way back to Spain, they arrived carrying tobacco, some gold, and all manner of exotic items procured on their trip. Helios was infuriated. He began screaming “you didn’t reach India so everything you have done as I predicted was a failure!” The Queen of Spain disagreed. “We have proven the world is not flat, we have reached new unknown lands, we have discovered islands and continents.” Had we only reached India our opportunities for huge fortunes and discoveries would be miniscule compared to what we can now amass.” Helios, unbowed, again screamed “you did not reach India so it was all a waste. Cristobal said he would reach India and he didn’t so this was all for Naught. All you people are stupid you can’t see the truth!”
The queen finally tired of Helios’ temper tantrums and looked for a suitable punishment. She thought that Helios the Gelding had a nice ring to it but decided against punishing Helios at all after her advisors pointed out that Helios had already self-castrated his own reputation and would live the remainder of his life in dishonor.
Moral of the story: Fortune tellers are only right until they are not, and all that has to happen is one event disproving their screeds and they will characterize it as their victory as long and as often as they can because like everyone else, they have no better idea about the outcome until everything has played out. What they do have just an unnatural attachment to being right, a penchant for using less than the full set of facts, a disregard for the calendar more than a day out, and endless hours to repeat their story.
You have no idea what I believe. You have no idea what I think, perhaps other than the low opinion I hold of your analysis and posts. When I first encountered your blather over 10 years ago, I didn't even have a handle on IHUB. And even then you were telling everyone what fools they were for investing here and that you had all the answers! DungSpawter was my way of pointing out your hypocrisy then. You continue now. I don't know nor have I ever spoken to Rich or Emil. I imagine they are flawed human beings as are the rest of us here. But your pathological obsession with them is a "SIGN" of something other than the altruistic motivations you try to sell to anyone on this board that you are here only to help everyone else out of their self imposed exile in an investment you don't like. For someone who self congratulates himself on his virtuousness, as a group, you certainly don't treat the very people you pretend to be here helping with much respect, let alone those who challenge you. All the "SIGNS point to the very real possibility that you are full of Crap. Good luck saving the investing world caped crusader! So far you are doing a bang up job! BTW, what is your motivation for being here? If it's not ego driven or money, it's pretty opaque based on the inconsistent messaging in your posts.
This is perfect. “One of the surest signs”? That gives away the entire grift. Thank you!
If we are to believe any thing you say it would sure help if it weren’t based on “signs” even the “surest” signs. Not facts, not verifiable information, not even “some people say”. And don’t even try to say that the selling is a fact, that is not the point you were making. You are taking a fact and assigning an intent to people you have no way of knowing what their actual motivation is. And “surest”, well there’s a word that means nothing without a scale. It is a useless word without context. The “surest” way we have to determine criminal tendencies is to map the bumps on the person’s skull. Give me a break!. You say we need to read the signs, assign meaning to them, and make financial decisions on that! Or just trust you, an anonymous poster based on your readings of the signs. You just gave away the store. You know nothing more than anyone else about what the final outcome of the lawsuits and by extension what the final value of this stock will be. Fricking signs! For God’s sake! Signs, the meaning of which are the product of your own brain and the obvious bias contained therein. For all the times you’ve insinuated that you have some specific knowledge and spend your valuable time to educate us poor brainless rubes. Signs, what a bunch of crap!!!
A young couple trying to have a baby for five years finally became pregnant. They were extremely happy. The pregnancy progressed without a hitch until the 7th month when the young man who, knew little about pregnancy and had hoped to be a father much sooner, began to worry that something was amiss. So, he got on a chat board and posted his concern,"I'm worried that it has been 7 months and I am still not a father". A chat board preacher responded to his inquiry. " That doesn't sound right, your wife should have given birth months ago! I'm sorry to inform you that she is not pregnant and never will be. Unwilling to give up his dream of being a father, he pressed the preacher " I believe she is, she is showing, she eats enough for 2 people, I have seen the sonogram and, the entire medical staff confirmed she is pregnant and said it takes nine months usually." The preacher responded "Are you stupid? You said she is eating enough for 2 people right? Well then of course she is showing but not from a baby but because she is getting fat! And that sonogram, those are faked all the time. As for the medical staff, ask yourself what reason would they have to drag out a fake pregnancy? Money you idiot! They're only making money while you believe she is pregnant, check ups, fake sonograms etc. There is no baby! There will never be a baby! THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW!
Unwilling to give up on his dream the young man pressed the preacher on his training in this field. The preacher responded angrily, "I read 2 articles on the subject not one! Two! What are your qualifications? I'm telling you she's not pregnant, she will never be pregnant! Have you seen the baby? And I'm not talking about those fake sonograms! No, you haven't! Because there is no baby!!! Some people just can't handle the truth! The young man began to realize the preacher had no idea about what he was preaching and even fewer qualifications which by the way also could not be verified. So, he ignored the preacher with the exception of occasionally reading his posts until after nine months his wife gave birth to 2 not 1 beautiful healthy babies.
Moral of the story: Don't listen to chat board preachers.
“All that you say isn't relevant.”
Uh Huh…whatever you say junior.