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Putting someone in charge that doesn't know about the technology is kind of the standard... The CEO's job is exactly that, especially when you can't afford a marketing team, because they certainly are not at that stage. The CEO manages and acquires assets to fund the business, and does the marketing as well during the startup period.
This is simply how it works in small business, someone has to find money to fund and to help sell your r&d/product distribution; That's the CEO's job.
Once again, you missed the point of the article and my post. The point is the coating allowing a photovoltaic to survive otherwise harmful environments, not splitting h2o or any other molecule.
The electrolysis, i.e. splitting of the sulfuric acid, was just a side effect of the means used to measure current output in a closed system.
To clarify on this:
It has everything to do with the work HyperSolar is doing. The experiment was to show, as you so well put it, that "This coating works in ACIDS!!!"
The coating protected the SnS (Tin Monosulfide) cell from the acid. The cell itself did not produce any hydrogen with the help of the acid, it was just a photovoltaic, it was used inside the coating to generate electricity from sunlight. Sns is a well known photovoltaic that is referenced as one of many possible semiconductors for use in the patent that HyperSolar was issued earlier this year.
https://patents.justia.com/patent/9593053
The hydrogen produced in the publication is from a platinum wire that is submerged in the same sulfuric acid solution, however the hydrogen is not the focus. The platinum wire here is called a reversible hydrogen electrode. This is a standard process for measuring current outputs in systems involving acidic chemicals more accurately. One of the side effects of the methods used in observing this system is the fact that hydrogen is produced, removing electrons from the system. This has an effect on the current measured, which is called a faradaic loss.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_hydrogen_electrode
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_efficiency
The experiment itself did not continue after 2 hours, it was not that the cell deteriorated. The result of the experiment was that the efficiency of the cell was actually unaffected after these 2 hours, which is huge, as these cells are not normally stable in an acid, as you might expect. You also might remember that one of the goals here is to achieve the ability to use and maintain the cells we use in any source of water, and any source of water, even if it starts out completely clean, will not be clean forever.
Jose, Cid, rsh, Mr. Balls, could one of you please explain this to me? I am but a lonely troll with no knowledge of science that has only just begun to be discovered or how long it takes to discover and perfect the elements of said scientific processes.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/advs.201700362/full
Welcome back Sergeant!
Oh absolutely. I had no intention of buying today; It's still not enough for any large investors and it would drop over the next week if not today. I put in an extremely small sell today to test the waters and by some miracle I hit the top at .019! 10k mind you but I got into this thing years ago at sub penny so I'll take some night out money :)
Ah yes, meant 0.04 there but yeah we're going to have to wait for a lot more news than this. I am extremely happy to see the prototype as not just a baggy though.
One could hope. I think we'll have to wait for the full scale prototype for something like that but today will definitely be a spectacular day. Maybe up to 0.4 but if we hit a dollar you can trust I will dance around like a monkey that just sat on a pile of burning coals. And I'll be happy about it.
I'm here for the long run but there are days to cash out and get ready for the next drop and spike.
To 5 milliamps per centimeter squared on the negative (cathode reduction reaction) side. That is correct
Often when these things are discussed (just start googling photocurrent and current density) they are referred to as one in the same thing. I believe Tim is doing the same. From the May press release:
8mA cm-2 has not been passed, what they have done in this press release is bring the negative side of the particle up to the same speed as the positive side (the cathode and anode, as in the positive and negative side of a battery)
I assume what was achieved in the last release was just for the positive side of the particle although it was not mentioned specifically. That might have been Tim writing what he thought was enough information. This time we have a quote of Dr. Joun Lee who is a bit more specific in how the science is presented.
I don't think he had said anything in regards to this.
It is my assumption that the team discovered a new, more rewarding technology in hydrogen production while working on the solar concentrator. It's not too far off base for me that a solar concentrating cell showed promise in providing the energy required to split water. However this is only an assumption
The next few comments can all be looked up here with the publication numbers I have listed
It does strike me that the first application for the solar concentrator (THIN AND FLAT SOLAR COLLECTOR-CONCENTRATOR) was abandoned. Publication: number "20120006382 A1"
However the patents for the coating as well as the artificial photosynthesis cell submitted last year are being reviewed by the US patent office.
PROCESS AND SYSTEMS FOR STABLE OPERATION OF ELECTROACTIVE DEVICES
Publication Number: "20150303540"
Inventors Listed:
Syed Mubeen Jawahar Hussaini
Tim Young
Eric McFarland
Nirala Singh
Joun Lee
Martin Moskovits
MULTI-JUNCTION ARTIFICIAL PHOTOSYNTHETIC CELL WITH ENHANCED PHOTOVOLTAGES
Publication Number: "20160076154 A1"
Inventors Listed:
Syed Mubeen Jawahar Hussaini
Eric W. McFarland
Martin Moskovits
Joun Lee
Tim Young
In regards to a comment I think I remember seeing earlier it looks like yes, Eric McFarland is still involved.
Yes, sorry. Had not seen those
What makes you say HyperSolar won't get the parents?
Given the national debt of the US, continued inflation to cover it, an artificially low interest rate that discourages savings and holding bonds as well as encouraging taking loans that may never be repaid, we're on a very dangerous track. Nobody knows when it will happen and hopefully it will hold off; but it's looming right over us.
A potential catalyst could be cashing in on US treasury bonds by banks and countries losing faith in the dollar. Essentially a bank run on the US.
I don't mean to spread fear but I do want people to be aware. I wish you all the best of luck.
And hopefully we can all cash in on HyperSolar before then! It would be even better to just have this technology available. Even better as a US export. It could really change the world :)
Thank you Cid for the well thought out comments here.
I would still have to disagree as far as progress goes. I've seen nothing but steady (if not slow) progress in the past 6 years. The only thing that has ever turned me off was the sudden pivot from a solar concentrator film to hydrogen production, but even that makes sense for making the electrolysis here efficient.
I guess at this point we'll have to just agree to disagree. It's my belief that this technology will change the world and that HyperSolar will be a significant part of it and I'm in for the long haul.
On another note on what you said earlier about the upcoming crash, I agree completely (apart from the George Soros part, my blame is in bad economic policies). I as well as some UN contractors I know have been stocking up on physical gold. Hedging against a collapse is not a bad idea.
Take care,
Justin
Think what you will. I think they're doing what they set out to do and more. To me success is doing things right, not just doing them quickly.
It is true. The process of building a car engine involves building the pistons, spark plugs, belts, alternator, etc... those pieces need to be built first but they are part of the final result.
All the components must be ready for even a demonstration unit to work. We do want it to demonstrate all the possibilities this technology possesses, even if it's not fully scaled, right? I know I do, and I think larger investors or potential buyers want to know the product will be stable, efficient and cost-effective.
This, exactly this. The chance of the next PR being a prototype are practically 0. There is quite a bit to finish before this is market ready.
Honestly I'm more than happy to grab undervalued shares. I haven't done short term investing on this for years. HyperSolar is worth for too much to waste the opportunity cost (and taxes) on that.
I loved it when I first saw the Rasa. A car built entirely around the idea of using a hydrogen fuel cell, not just converting existing piston models.
18 moving parts, half the weight of a small car, up to 300 miles on 1.5 kg of hydrogen, and more than 50 percent of the kinetic energy produced under braking recovered and turned into electricity to boost acceleration via a bank of super-capacitors. It's truly a new generation of tech.
I would hope so, but given the response to every other scientific achievement I don't think it will be that time. I think investors will be waiting for the full scale prototype. In the meantime I'll be laying my foundations and building my tower of shares.
It does make perfect sense from a scientific and an entrepreneurial standpoint if you want this done right.
Get an idea of the market need for your product. Get your team and your funding together.
Get the individual pieces working correctly.
Make them efficient.
Make sure they're stable and will last.
We saw this with pursuing the voltage increases and the long term (1000 hours?) stability of the particles.
Get a system of these pieces together.
Make them efficient.
Make sure they're stable and will last.
We're seeing this now by looking to make dense sheets of these particles.
The next steps, not necessarily in this order, in my opinion:
- Look to keep the stability of these sheets up to par with that of the individual particles.
- Investigate the maintenance necessary to keep these sheets that way, if at all possible. How do we keep the the hydrogen produced from mixing with the oxygen with multiple sheets? Where does the waste go from the waste water? Can the sheet be made of smaller pieces that can be replaced individually?
- Build a commercial prototype, an MVP if you will, and use this to pursue and increase funding. <-- this is where I know we all want to be.
- Confirm the safety of the product. This will be a big issue with hydrogen.
- Build the functional, working, commercial product.
- Investigate the options for our end game. Licensing? Distribution? Installation? Maintenance? Do we build this for individual homes? Stations? Would the efficiency and safety allow it to be installed right into a car and we can sell them to dealers?
I have likely missed a number of other steps but the point is that there are a lot of things that can and/or need to be done. This is no quick business, it's a completely new field and it needs it's own due diligence.
-Justin
Yes basssque, this is why I love this company so much and have been doing nothing but building up my long position for the past year. They're doing R&D on a new technology in the best way possible. They're taking their time doing things right in a sector that is largely ignored if not ridiculed (looking at you Elon). They look for the most efficient, most stable, most cost efficient methods. A number of startups are killed because they go to market too soon and the next guy comes out with a better solution.
Also, although they have lots of debt they have been keeping costs low by teaming with universities for use of their research facilities and students. They are investigating new paths that show promise. Remember this company started just building the solar concentrating/filtering coating, later discovering that this coating showed promise in the area of photoelectrochemical hydrogen production. Knowing when to pivot is a key element of a successful startup.
I have no problem with this taking a few more years to come to market because there's more time to build up my long holds on this beauty.
228,000 and counting. Hopefully I'll have time to add before the next release. I'm loving this PPS.
You're very welcome! I don't post often, but I watch this board every day, and if I do post I try to make it count.
I've been watching HYSR for almost 7 years now, and if I've learned anything about them it's that they are borderline perfectionists. If they are going to bring something to the energy market it is going to be the most efficient, cost-effective, and scalable solution they can find; no avenues left unexplored. Most of us longs know this started with just a solar concentrator cell to be added over existing solar panels, and it has become so much more.
In my opinion the next release will either be an update on the market conditions, possibly a comment on the new Rasa being developed from scratch specifically for hydrogen cells and the continued interest in developing a hydrogen economy world-wide. Or, if they have progress to report, it will be exactly as Tim has said in the last press release:
HYPERSOLAR INCORPORATED (OTCMKTS:HYSR) Shorts Decreased by 43.72% After Short Covering
We are not talking about people selling shares or short-term investors, we are talking about people who shorted the stock and covering (buying) shares. I don't know if you have ever shorted a stock before but it means that you sold shares you don't own, intending to buy them back at a later date because you expect the price to fall. This is a very risky bet because the potential for loss is infinite.
Because of this, brokerages will usually automatically buy back the shares if the price rises too much. I believe this is what is being referred to as a "short squeeze." These people don't have to get together to discuss this, the brokerage just does it for you because they are potentially at risk as well when it starts jumping too high.
As for what news is coming up, who knows? Long-term stability, prototype (a man can dream, soon!), voltage increase (which we don't need right now considering they confirmed the new compound they found can work as well as platinum)
HYSR has a habit of releasing something every few weeks, and the stock usually rises a bit afterwards. People who are shorting the stock may even just be getting scared that a release is due soon and are buying the shares back just in case. It's all going to play into buying to cover shorts.
CleanTechnica: Solar Energy Fuels HyperSolar’s Hydrogen Dream
Even more recognition from the clean energy world!
Thank you. I was about to post the same thing. They were very clear when the catalyst was first mentioned that it required further testing to confirm whether it was indeed up to par with their previous tests.
Now it's time to confirm that it can be integrated with their current systems without hurting the previously recognized stability. All the right steps are being taken to make this a truly revolutionary development.
HYSR long all the way!
Interesting reimagining of the internal combustion engine with an additional piston stroke powered by the rapid expansion of water by the heated engine. These engines would need a large source of distilled water. Another job for HyperSolar via the splitting of waste water and recombination into pure water if that were to take off (although pure water for consumption and hydrogen fuel cell powered engines, in my humble opinion, is a much better path)
http://www.damninteresting.com/the-six-stroke-engine/
Most likely. My guess is the market is responding to recent uncertainty and that plays a part in what triggered more selling.
I'm with tjusa02 on this. This press release is just as, if not MORE, important than a voltage increase. HYSR's intention to
Yes, not much to read into there. The first time we extended with UCSB was January through July of 2014 so this is nothing unusual.
I'm hoping UCSB is hard at work on a prototype for us and that is the only reason we haven't gotten anything from them recently.
I'm wondering if the expectation was that we would find lower cost elements that would function at an efficiency that would make 1.5v viable at the beginning, but couldn't develop any, and that's why we're moving on the 1.7v, which is a voltage we know could work commercially with the elements we have.
I would absolutely be interested! Are you going to push up the layouts here before we send these to print?
I'm glad someone brought this up, and you are exactly the one I would have suspected blekko. I try my best to talk up HYSR when the conversation comes around, it would be nice to have some literature and references to back up the claims. It's not easy to get people to jump on this moonbound train we ride.
Most likely. I for one am very happy with this, I can grab more cheap shares this way. We know something about this company that others seem incapable of comprehending, that it is the future of clean energy.
I made my quick money a couple of times last year (though I held for the most part) with this crazy monkey PPS but for the past 6 months I am only buying for the long haul. The lower this stock trades now the happier I am.
GLTA
I have also discovered this in personal messages from this devil. It's an attempt to trick automated traders that use web scrapers and sentiment analysis to think that there is bad public view on the stock. I've written these before and this is a sorry attempt, all it really does is spam this board.
He will not stop until banned.
Thank you Jose
That is very interesting and good press indeed. It puts HYSR up there with competing processes and shows that they are solving a problem that plagues them all, and mentions that they have reached 1.25.
They also mention the capital issue but puts it in the correct light that HYSR is in R&D and has research agreements with two well-known universities. And although this is a little problem, this project is backed by other sources.
I like that CalTech is mentioned first, it puts the whole project in a more trustworthy perspective.