art. the death knell has been ringing for years. there are a small handful who just can't or won't hear it.
this will zero out before thanksgiving.
too bad. the products are good...

proto. i've long realized i do not understand you at all.
please explain: you're exploding with enthusiasm for the presentation. to you it spells enormous success. the company has
arrived, it's about to be the next big thing.
the pps is 4.23 having dropped almost every day for months. the presentation is now in the public domain, available to the tens
of thousands who could be interested and who have at least a passing comprehension of the industry in general and
lightwave in particular.
yet after hours, it hasn't traded up a single penny. not one red cent. you could have traded it up--why wouldn't you jump at
this chance? those who interpret things the way you do could have traded it up. but it hasn't moved one penny.
it seems hardly possible. if your exploding confidence is even remotely, minimally warranted, wouldn't there be something
happening?
the only possibility i can think of is that there is an absolute disconnect between you and the world of people who want to make
money. (other than the shorts, of course, who're rolling in it thanks to the relentless slide in value). who are you?

xena. why aren't you upset?
is there any pps drop that would get you upset? any amount of silence? anything?
i'm trying to hold tight.

nrdc92. they're not brain dead, they're trying to hold it together while the evidence mounts red day after red day
that this might not be what they desperately, with deep deep conviction have believed it is. the silence, the
no deal, the knife-falling share price, it's agonizing and harrowing and possibly indicative of a disastrous
reality.
i know it's killing me.

3.50 by week's end? lower? 2.85? lower?
by november 10th this will be between $1 and $2 unless a deal is announced. only a deal with verifiable revenue will
prevent this.
lebby loves the science. the business, that is, us shareholders, allow him to do the science, go to conferences, hang out
with his friends and peers and colleagues around the world.
fluff prs followed by prolonged silences indicate he's okay with what is going on. investors, ha, big shoulder shrug.

nrdc92. i hate agreeing with you.
but how can i not?
on one side you have unshakable belief; on the other side there is what has been unfolding before our
very eyes for months (or years, if you prefer).
it's upsetting beyond words to lose so much money and to feel stuck as i lose more and more until ????

vein. green is not a color that corresponds to lightwave's situation; not until they announce a verifiable, revenue producing
deal.
posters post because it's something to do, not because they have anything new to say about what's going on with the company.
all the infighting has become purely personal, which is also something a lot of people find necessary and natural. how many
marriages do all of us know wherein bickering, even bitter fighting is how the partners relate?
we're all in a sort've vacuum now. will lebby pull us out? god i hope so!
soon? that doesn't seem likely. still, the sooner the better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.0003 is the new status quo. but not for long (s).
.0002 is coming. .0001 will follow soon.
biel had that one spike to .008, otherwise it's been over for years.
that it has a following of diehard bielievers is sweet, and i hope your positivity continues even when kelly folds the tent. why not?
why not be attached to biel--at least it has a truly beneficial product line?
to me, you bielievers are the real winners.
those who see the company realistically, what is the point of their presence here? what do they get out of endlessly
pointing out the obvious, that this emperor has no clothes and never has, going back to good old pugnacious andy?

so keep on keeping on bielievers. when it comes to life you've got the right idea! i salute you!!!!!!

ted. i don't think lwlg will bounce around in the 4's.
right now it has lost whatever shine lebby's proclamations caused. it's open season on a company that has never
had substantiated revenue. there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of spec tech companies that looked like
the next big thing, then flamed out before disappearing completely. some even made it as prime time tv features.
lebby's esteemed position in photonics is meaningless--this is business, this is about greed and relationships
and being tiny against a universe of hostile goliaths.
that lebby and company have been scratching in the dirt for months now without a single customer, partner, or
big-time investor, makes lebby's timelines not just meaningless, but possibly actionable, as in fraudulent.
message boards are junk, a place where people can entertain themselves and each other. deception rules.
unstated agendas rule.
i screwed up terribly, i allowed myself to be bamboozled. beginning right now i'm cutting my destructive cord to all
message boards.
good luck to you, be well...

ok, i'm done here. it's infuriating.
yammer away know nothings, yammer away...

x99...longs are rapidly turning into bagholders. i've no idea what you really hold or what you really think. but it
doesn't matter one whit. lwlg is...
well, even you can see it, though like others here you are completely unable to understand what's happened these
last months.

and there is nothing lebby or the company can or will do. because if they could, they would.
it is so awful. sad and painful and awful.

yes vein. that's where it's headed and way faster than i anticipated.
and the spiral won't end there.
in fact, there is nothing to keep it from going into the toilet.
deals? yeah, right...

hammered.
all stocks are manipulated!
lwlg is perceived to be a company with no credibility...and could easily lose most of its value in the coming weeks.
it is awful, it is real, it is happening.
i deplore all you nutty explainers who know nothing about what matters to real investors...

rfk302. when you've lost the kind of dough i've lost here, and the people you recommended lwlg to have suffered the
losses they've suffered, causing a bit of strain in the relations, then the continuous downward slide might
well be described as 'hammered.'
but many of you live in a different world. money isn't prominent in your reasonings. losses aren't felt. it's just alternatively
an intellectual debate or an acrimonious opportunity to make personal insults.
none of that has the slightest interest to me.
when and what i post is purely on account of angst and anxiety about a company i believed in enough to invest a significant
amount in, an amount that is dwindling on a daily basis.
you and others have a different agenda...

meanwhile, it is getting hammered. as usual.

ted. it doesn't matter even slightly. not to anybody here, not to the company and its prospects. but i want you to know,
i happen to live in a world of finance pros and a small numbers of very astute, very wealthy investors. when i've
asked anyone of these guys to look at the posts about lwlg, which they wouldn't ever do unless asked as a favor, not only do
they uniformly agree with your assessments, they say they wouldn't touch lwlg with a 10-foot pole. it's not about
understanding the tech or what anyone thinks about dr. lebby, it's how the company behaves and the history. besides
which, the chart--omg, it's scary.
still, i myself don't get what your agenda is--why do you spend so much time here? who are you talking to?

proto. if there is no deal+revenue announced in october, this will drop into the one to two dollar range--if that.
since you and several others spend an absurd amount of your lives bickering about lwlg as it does nothing except
lose shareholder value, what in the world do you think you're achieving?
what everybody should be doing is emailing and tweeting the hell out of the company with questions, worries, and demands for
some form of communication with the shareholders who pay the bills--and those really creepy bonuses!

nrdc92--so painfully true.
lwlg drops and drops and not in drips and drabs either.
deals, revenue, they are the one and only issue, that is, if you are an investor wanting to make money.

as the pps slips towards the three dollar range, you guys bicker about each other.
nasdaq will send a letter; then, timber.
meanwhile, not a word from management because as far as communication with the public and shareholders especially,
they continue to frustrate with either fluff prs that send the pps down or lengthy silences. every suspicion is stoked and warranted.
unless you are a short, it's an agonizing company to invest in or put your faith in. has been for 20+ years.

the yammering continues unabated.
the silence continues ominously.
what fun.

so, this board has become an insult fest. no one knows anything concrete for sure, and the lines of supportive vs
disbelieving are drawn hard and fast, so what is there left to do? either repeat the same stuff along party lines or
insult the 'opposition.'
thus, among those investors or potential investors in lightwave i'm acquainted with, no one even reads the boards anymore--or at least
admits that they do.
i know i don't either. what burns me up this sunday night as i look ahead to the coming week is that i think it's more likely that the pps
will fall into the high three dollar range than that news of a deal will be announced.
bah humbug!
it hurts...

ruuds. bottoms? not even close. news? who knows? likely soon? doubtful. what to do? twist in the wind. options?
sell and take a huge loss. hold and twist and hope like crazy.
plan? forget about it and enjoy. long-term plan? none.
glta

nrdc92. you've been far more prescient than the lightwave enthusiasts on this and other message boards.
but at this point it's almost bad form to poke at proto, he's put so much time and energy and emotion into lightwave and everything
michael lebby.
the descent is happening much faster than i anticipated. by november this looks like it'll be below two bucks, possibly below one
dollar and evidently there isn't anything lightwave or lebby can or will do about it.
no significant entity seems interested in being a customer or partnering--why this is i've no idea. but if lebby had anything concrete, he'd
find a way to use it to steady the sinking pps instead of spouting off about 'ubiquitous.'
i've lost so much money i've sworn that never again will i even consider any outsider analysis when making an investment.
nrdc92, i've no idea whether you are a lightwave shareholder, let alone how big an investor you are, but you certainly saw right
through the hype, and identified the red flags for what they are.
thank you isn't in order because while i appreciated your hard-eyed view, i ignored it where it counts. $.

yes kinzaman, we sure would!
also, what's been going on for months, this steadily dropping pps, it really makes the size and the times of
those bonuses egregious. quite possible unethical. nothing has caused me to doubt lebby's managerial
abilities more.
he's having a great time at shareholder's expense--and he's set for life.
i'm glad for him, but embittered too...

i think without news of a deal this will drop into the two dollar range. and since the likelihood of news is dim and growing
dimmer by the week and by the month, things look grim for us longs. once nasdaq sends a non compliance notice
it'll be total open season as opposed to this agonizing drip torture.
no company would let this happen unless it couldn't do anything about it. lebby's excited proclamations are beginning to feel
like a kick in the teeth.

viking.
biel is on fumes, it's final fumes.
there are so many real viable companies, with legit executives, legit bods, doing actual business. biel has long been
a whelan operation, run by and for the family, of interest only to a group of never-say-die posters on
this and other message boards.
they should be left alone. their hopefulness, their belief, their optimism, it's worth at least as much as money. not
if you are a shareholder or a potential investor, but as a living, breathing human being.
except when i'm angry at myself for buying--and holding--biel, i envy them...

om, as if lightwave needed any more trouble. the company as an investment is in a downward spiral. management is silent in
terms of communicating to shareholders because only revenue, only some kind of verifiable deal with concrete numbers will
change the market's perception--on top of which, institutions are manipulating as they always do and shorts are cashing in on
this utterly vulnerable entity.
as low volumes indicate, longs are holding strong. however, one piece of really upsetting or outright bad news affecting the company's possible
implementation and widespread commercialization, and there will be a total eviseration.
it is such an anxious time to be holding here.
my fingers hurt from crossing them so tightly...

meanwhile spartex et al. your optimism is laudable. much of the positive analysis and interpretation is perceptive and
intelligent.
yet where the pps is going is down with no bottom in sight. the market is largely perception and that right now is not at all good.
the longs like myself who read and post on this and other message boards, we're more and more looking like bagholders.
2024 is such a long ways away. this could easily drop to fifty cents--one really terrible event that rattles the whole
market and this will be toast.
evidently there isn't a thing lebby or lightwave can do to affect what's happening--except make the sort of deal they've never
made...

proto et al. every single stock is manipulated. there are thousands of professional traders and there are computer algorithms set
up to recognize and take advantage, in some cases down to 1/32 of a point.
naturally, lwlg is a sitting duck. no revenue, a spec tech that has no buzz, that no customer has said, we'll be doing business with
them at x time--all it's got from a retail investor's standpoint are the proclamations of the ceo of the company. the big funds that
have bought in have an interest in dropping the pps so they can buy more--in the hope that deals/news will pop it big. and then
there are the shorts, who represent an enormous position, and who have done nothing except win win win, while longs lose lose
lose.
it's ugly, it's scary, it'll get worse and worse unless and until lebby comes through. how he and the company relate to the public and
especially to shareholders--a sentence or two about shareholder value at the tail-end of prs, does not inspire confidence. in fact,
as a ceo/businessman/executive, he looks amateurish and to some disastrously incompetent.
these next 6-8 months will either be stomach turning or something better, hopefully much much better. fingers crossed!!!!!

freud had more brains than everyone on this board combined by a multiple.
so thanks xenalives for your complimentary sarcasm.
ya think maybe mapping out the way humans actually are, albeit making plenty of mistakes next to a gargantuan contribution
to our understanding of ourselves, is slightly more meaningful than disputing a company's prospects--any company,
including one whose contribution will be cheaper, faster, cleaner, no matter what the applications?
so much of your life is tied up with a company you aren't even employed by but might possibly profit from if it
succeeds. i guess when it comes to wasting life it's as good a way as any.

guys. no one would reply to ted if you weren't defensive and worried. anyone living in this world with their eyes open
knows how quickly anything can go completely sideways... including lwlg's prospects.
the pps is depressed for many reasons; hopefully it'll get very healthy before some event or events occur that
pull the rug out from under.
right now you all are like a family arguing endlessly. nobody gives an inch and it is the arguing itself that matters, completely
unrelated to anything or anyone outside the spellbinding family circle.

kelly will not post another pr before biel becomes extinct.
i'd bet serious money on that if it were possible.

bobby. why can't some of you look into companies worth investing money and time into where you have some chance
of making money? though interest in a company such as biel is a pretty strong indication that there are emotional-psychological
issues that supercede any rational investing or increase in one's portfolio value.
i bought 10 million shares years ago, can't believe i didn't sell in the run-up to .008, long ago realized the whelans manage biel in a
manner that cannot produce results--meaning the only outlook will be when it finally goes to .0001, i'll sell and use the
tax loss.
i only write this as a way to partly deal with my failure to capitalize on the run-up and whatever other negative thoughts come
with holding shares in biel. i realize there isn't anything, possibly including bankruptcy, that would affect the biel belief of the edbis, toohots,
bobbys of this world--you all love biel and that's that.
all i can say is best of luck in general to all of you!

toohot. i would love to see a nice biel run. but what on earth or in heaven would cause this to happen? at this point, what
conceivable scenario would result in real investors putting money into a company that...
i won't waste the time or energy to spell out what's gone on these last years. and what has not.
if the pps ever climbs back to .001 i will eat crow until i choke...
it is amazing, it is confounding, it is in a way wonderful how human beings are able to keep faith no matter what happens...

sonata.
proto is very smart, but when it comes to this company he knows only one way to be. i'm one of those who bought a lot more
than i would've thanks to posters like him. i shouldn't say like him, because no one else spends as much time and energy, no
one else parse's every utterance made by the ceo, who might as well be a saint or prophet or oracle as far as he's concerned,
no one else seems to live and breathe lwlg. i wonder what he does otherwise? in his free time, meaning when he's not
pushing lwlg?
things look very bad for my investment at this point. i do not blame proto or any of the other devotees--i blame myself for
putting so much of my very limited money into a company because i read smart, educative posts on a public message board.

bobby. what's the diff what anybody posts?
it's been so long that kelly has had anything to pr, or do more than tweet stuff that's dubious at best, that the possibility
biel will emerge from the .0003-.0005 range is slight.
it's not even known whether anyone is actively working at the company, or whether there is anyone who would fall into the category
of 'employee.'
biel has stagnated for more years than i can remember, despite fda approvals, joint ventures with much bigger companies, and the
overall efficacy of its excellent products.
all could come to an end at any time--or it could run on fumes for who knows how long. one thing is a bit newish: the way it trades, nobody,
including the whelans and day traders, has made any money. not for quite awhile.

zdog, thanks for the permission to think whatever i want to. what am i going to do with this freedom you've so generously
granted me?
here's one statement of my perspective: i neither believe nor disbelieve--i'm very hopeful good things, lots of good things
will occur. and once they do i'll be very glad. if they do not, i'll be the opposite of very glad because i've long held what is for me a
large position in lwlg.
i admit i shouldn't post--my infrequent posts are nothing more than a way of expressing my frustration and anxiety. others here
seem to have a variety of different agendas--none of which affect my hopefulness or my frustration or my anxiety.
glta!

the market is indifferent to lwlg's ceo making predictions. ceo's are supposed to shout optimism from the rooftops. lebby is
a highly respected scientist and a very upbeat guy. however, there isn't a single thing that points to him or the others in management
being able to make a deal that involves substantial revenue for the company.
who knows when or what will happen? it has been so so long--with no end, either positive or negative, in sight.
those of you who cashed in when the pps shot up--well done!

youngkim. i agree kelly is endlessly vindictive; isn't even that she could care less about shareholders, she actually doesn't want any
of the longs she thinks were such a thorn in her father's side to do well.
there is also the problem that she has no idea how to grow biel. no talent for this job that would require a very energetic, very talented ceo
to get biel going. and there is no way she'd step aside. even if for some incredible reason a great business executive, a steve jobs with
fire in their eyes and absolute belief in biel's products, decided to hitch their wagon to making biel a success.
she's stuck in tight for the duration and we shareholders are stuck in with her. i used to daydream that some superstar athlete or actor or
musician would be so grateful for what actipatch did for them that they'd represent the products for free, become the face of the company,
soon joined by other famous people.
honestly, kelly being kelly, she might be compelled to undermine even that fantasy...