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Zero value?
What exactly do you see?
Surely, you are kidding?
I hear that!
Whatever happened to George Alvarez? It's like he has been erased from the internet. There are over a hundred "George Alvarez's) if you do a search, but not this one. I think the Chinese stuck it to him. Hope he's not in prison there somewhere. Good reason to boot China out of the WTO and quit doing business with them.
You are correct. MAXD audio works on the digital signal on the receiving end to improve the sound. I don't know that it has anything to do with compression.
Here is a link that describes A to D conversion.
[url][/url][tag]https://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse466/15au/pdfs/lectures/Sampling.pdf[/tag]
Check out how a sample does not completely capture the analog signal perfectly, thus there are some losses in the A to D conversion.
This is a bit of a complicated thing to explain. The conversion from analog to digital actually induces noise in the digital part of the conversion. It also does not completely capture the whole analog signal. So, it is well known that an analog signal sounds better than the Digital it was converted to. This diminishment of quality may be mitigated by increasing or maximizing the digital size of the sample, ie. increasing the number of bits per sample from three to 16 or to 64 or to 128 (a very big number of digits) would dramatically increase the accuracy of the digital rendering and also reduce noise. It would also increase file size.
So, it is my understanding that the MAXD audio makes an algorithmic calculation on any existing digital audio and artificially fills in the parts the analog to digital conversion did not capture. This has the effect of restoring the quality of the original analog signal. This restoration is not an exact copy of the original analog sound but is close enough to improve the quality of the sound significantly (you can hear it).
If I could figure out how to paste a picture in this blog I could show you how this all works.
Each digital sample of any part of the analog signal is not always on the money. It is sometimes high and sometimes low but on average it produces a pretty good rendition of the original analog signal. The larger the sampling size, the smaller the sampling error will be and the lower the noise level will be. Noise and losses are inherent in the A to D conversion.
I have two pictures that will show all of this very well but I don't know how to put them in here.
Usually digital audio in the form of .mpg files are already in what is referred to a compressed state. The MAXD algorithm, as I understand it, simply restores an approximation of what was not captured in the original A to D conversion of any analog file.
Knowing that the A to D conversion may be restored, whether it has a low or high sampling size, will allow transmitters to minimize their file size by a coarse conversion(eg. 3 bits per sample, small size) and restore it on the receiving end to near perfect analog quality.
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Bystander to the conversation, but I appreciate it. It would be great to see a discussion about the tech between two people who know what they are talking about.
I’m not a techie - but I wouldn’t have thought there was much issue in principle in converting analog to digital and back to analog losslessly. (Other considerations like file size aside). But I didn’t think this is what the Trammel patents propose. I thought (and I may be completely out to sea) that the Trammel process allows for data to be saved in transmission by adding value at the receiving end that provokes the brain in to thinking there is a harmonic (or something) though no data was actually transmited.
I also thought the Trammel process is analog - i.e it’s mechanism of action works on the physical apparatus within the device. It is not itself digital compression.
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How do you paste an image to this site?
Here is a more detailed description of what I was talking about:
It is possible to convert information from analog into digital form and back again without losing details. Although the electronic circuits to do this can be quite complex, the basic idea is fairly simple. To see how it works we can consider turning the analog waveform into a string of binary numbers.
The waveform shown below represents the kind of analog pattern generated by telephones. These waves are converted into digital patterns for transmission by taking a series of samples. Each sample represents the wave's voltage level at a specific moment. Let's focus here on just one sample, the one represented by the orange blob.
I can't figure out to paste image here
The first step in sampling the waveform is to choose a signal range - a range of voltage levels large enough to cover all the variations, up and down, that the signal makes.
The next step is to divide the range into two equal halves. (In the diagram this 'cut' is shown by the red line.) We then ask "Is the point we're sampling above this line?" If it is above the line we note down a '1', is below we note down a '0'.
We now divide the 'half-range' which the sample occupies into two equal halves. (Since in this case it is the top half, this division is at the yellow line.) Once again we ask "Is the sample above the line?" If above we tack '1' on to our previous answer, if below we tack on a '0'.
In this case the sample we are looking at (the orange blob) is above the first (red) line and below the second (yellow) line, so we collect he result '10' from our first two uses of this 'divide and question' method.
We can repeat this process as many times as we like, each time gaining another bit of information about the point whose level we are trying to determine. In the example we have done this a third time (the blue line). As a result we can say that the level is in the band of voltages we can represent by the number '101'. The more times we divide the range and answer the question about which side of the line the sample lies on and , the more bits of information we get. As the number of bits increases so we know the precise level more accurately. In practice we can stop asking after a while because we will reach the level when random noise blurs the signal, making any further bits meaningless.
By taking a series of samples - each time using this 'yes/no' process - we can convert all the details of the analog waveform into a stream of binary numbers. For example, the above wave can be represented by the series: '110 110 111 111 101 100 011 etc. ..." by taking three bits per sample for the sampled points indicated by the circles. In fact, we can see that we should have taken more bits per sample and used more samples to convert all the details of this particular wave. This would increase the number of bits we would get (i.e. more information since information is measured in bits), but the argument is just the same as above.
The above may give you some idea of how important sampling rates are in regard to a finer resolution of the analog signal. It's not real easy to explain but this comes close.
I have no idea why this info below has happened but you all may be interested.
From Weiss Ratings:
Investment rating for Max Sound Corporation (MAXD - OTC PK)
Was upgraded to D+ from D
Rating:
Reward C- Fair
Risk D Weak
I can't imagine what data may have prompted this stock to be rated at all by Weiss let alone to be upgraded. A D+ is equal to two ** stars.
We can only hope it's an indication of something to come. Here's a link:
https://weissratings.com/stock/maxd-otc%20pk?fa=b5f35c11386b46c8b361fce15db3d636
I will try to answer:
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How did you come to these conclusions?
e.g., did you do pre & post sound stream analysis? Review code or technical documentation? Read analysis from 3rd party sound technologists?
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First I will point out again I am not a programmer. I have done nothing like what you discuss above. My understanding of this comes from my engineering background and what I know about the digital world. Analog signals are smooth like a sinewave. The AC out of your wall socket for instance. If you listened to that sinewave you would hear a 60 cycle hum. If this 60 cycle signal were digitized then it would sound nearly the same but not as clear because small pieces of the wave form (harmonics) would now be missing. The missing pieces would look like small stair steps in the digitized wave form instead of a smooth steady line.
The size of the missing pieces is mitigated somewhat by the sample rate. The higher the sample rate is, the less impact the missing pieces of the wave form have on the sound you hear, because the stair steps are smaller. This is why people usually try to use a higher sample rate to get the best quality digital recording they can. Something to note in all of this is not all digital sources have been digitized at the same sample rate. MAXD's tech (algorithm) will restore in a transparent way all of the stair steps in the digitized signal no matter what sample rate or source was used.
So, when an analog signal is sampled, one rectangular piece at a time is sampled. Then a second rectangular sample is made and so on. The stair steps I am referring to are because the samples are square. The sign wave has a rising or falling curve. Thus, the sampling leaves out a small chunk (the harmonics of the analog wave form) and you see small stair steps in the digitized signal.
How can the software determine whether the extrapolated data is accurate to the analog source? I am not certain that it actually does that. Replacing the harmonics in my view would require some mathematical understanding of what harmonics are and how they may at least be approximated and restored so that the ear may not tell the difference from the original analog signal even though the restoration may not be exactly what was in the original signal. In fact, the restoration may sound even better than the original and may be controllable (tweaked) to some extent to improve things even more. You would have to ask the programmer how this is being implemented in the algorithm.
Your comments about the subjectivity of hearing tests is spot on. The demo on the MAXD website however shows how this tech may actually allow the difference to be heard by the human ear. It is a small difference but in head phones or telephones it may be very noticeable. As I previously mentioned in my earlier post, this may not be significant enough to be sellable. They have been trying for almost 10 years to get a buyer. Either this is the calm before the end, or the calm before the boom!
I don't know if I covered everything in your response but I tried to clarify some of my thinking. Some of your questions would require someone with appropriate expertise to answer. My education is in Material Science and my work background is in System Planning for electric utilities.
Hope this helps.
At the risk of exposing my ignorance I would like to address the MAXD tech and what I think it does. First, I am an Electrical Engineer. Second, I am not a programmer. In that respect I know enough to be a little bit dangerous.
What I think the tech does is fill in the stair steps that are formed when an analog signal is converted to digital. The gaps that are formed in the digital stair steps are sometimes referred to as "harmonics". It means some of the original audio is now missing. This causes the playback sound to be slightly degraded in quality. If you Compare the original audio to the digital audio it will demonstrate that the digital audio does not sound as good because of the missing harmonics.
Play a vinyl recording and then play a CD of it and you will hear the difference.
I believe the MAXD tech algorithm artificially replaces the missing harmonics to any digital playback. When their website demonstrates this, it is easy to hear the difference. Also note the audio signal appears to be fuller (busier) in sound when the algorithm is applied. The MAXD tech allows compressed digital audio to be restored to near it's original analog quality.
A big question here is: Can this difference be significant enough to merit interest in MAXD's tech and monetize it's value through other large organizations. I think they are on the right track by first trying to get this technique deployed in smart phones where audio quality needs to be improved.
There may be other aspects of their tech that could play a part in this as well.
Just some thoughts. A little patience here with MAXD may give time for them to bear some fruit. It's a lottery ticket at best.
It's probably not going to do anything. I'm just waiting to see if anything good happens here. The order is a place holder.
I set all of mine to $1:00 GTC. Who knows what might happen!
I stand corrected. Thanks.
In view of all of these possibilities I have not heard them looking at the satellite companies like Serius XM. If you have heard music on satellite radio then you know it sounds like you are listening through sand paper.
The MAXD technology would vastly improve this and increase overall bandwidth.
Just compare Serius XM to regular FM radio and you will hear the difference. MAXD tech could make Serius XM sound better than FM. Disclosure: I have Serius XM radio in my car and I know what I hear can be improved.
These are standard methodologies used by rating agencies. Just look them up on Google. I don't see exactly what it was that caused the upgrade but it usually means something improved based on the just released 10k. Looking at the 10k makes me believe the rating is just a little bit on the blind side. I wouldn't make too much out of it.
This may not be important but none-the-less interesting. Weiss Ratings has just upgraded MAXD from D to D+. Not exactly anything to jump and shout about but it might mean there is a possibility of coming cash flow for MAXD.
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Investment rating for Max Sound Corporation (MAXD - OTC PK)
Was upgraded to D+ from D
MAXD - Summary
Rating Reward Risk
C Fair D-Weak
Rating Factors
Growth--Efficiency--Solvency--Total Return--Volatility--Dividend
Weak -- Good -- Fair -- Weak -- Weak -- NA
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I don't think this is going to make anyone's heart pound but there's always hope in Wonderland.
A quick question: Considering that VELA's corporate Nevada license has been revoked, are they still able to sell stock on the Pink Sheets? It strikes me if there is no corporate license there is nothing to sell. The company is gone, done for, kaput!
Yep, it no longer appears that VELA is a viable corporation according to the State of Nevada. As such, it would appear there is no more trading in this stock. Anything beyond this is a pipe dream. It's time to take the tax loss and move on.
Just out of curiosity...where on the internet?
Per the SEC:
Release No. 80703 / May 16, 2017
ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEEDING
File No. 3-17991
3. VelaTel Global Communications, Inc. (CIK No. 1357531) is a revoked Nevada corporation located in Carlsbad, California with a class of securities registered with the Commission pursuant to Exchange Act Section 12(g). VelaTel Global Communications, Inc. is delinquent in its periodic filings with the Commission, having not filed any periodic reports since it filed a Form 10-K for the period ended December 31, 2013, which reported a net loss of over $17.8 million for the prior twelve months. As of May 11, 2017, the company’s stock (symbol “VELA”) was quoted on OTC Link, had seven market makers, and was eligible for the “piggyback” exception of Exchange Act Rule 15c2-11(f)(3).
Nice chunk of change. Are you retired?
K-Dog,
I have heard through a friend that re-patriating funds received by a corporation operating in China may be difficult. If true, then VELA may have a problem taking care of issues within it's holding company structure outside of China.
Do you have any idea as to the validity of this statement?
If this is the case then VELA may be doing well in China with CM Mobile but cannot use the funds it makes anywhere else. These kind of things relate to trade laws and the affect they have on businesses outside the USA. My past impression is the restrictions in Hong Cong have been lax but this may have changed since China took control.
Just Curious.
I thought George was going to have to file something with the SEC by March or risk de-listing. Anyone know if he's going to do anything and when?
I think that means: Sent from my Samsung mobile phone.
I think there is some anticipation of what the March filing will say. It's a small bump up but the first time in a long while that we can actually see a possible upward trend. They've been awfully quiet for the last year. I wonder, with the slow down in the Chinese economy, if they have achieved any subscriber growth & or revenue growth. There is potential there but we need to see some upward momentum before anyone gets excited.
I concur. The translation was of the posted link. The posted link didn't appear to have anything in it re. VELA, just other stuff about Google, Nokia, Qualcom, etc. There was more, but I didn't see the need for further effort.
Partial Translation:
Friday, February 19, 2016
4G / LTE networks and spectra used and proposed
The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) of USA, enabled in April 2015, in the 150 MHz band 3550/3700 ??MHz-commercial use.
Now six companies Federated Wireless, Google, Intel, Nokia, Qualcomm and Ruckus Wireless is committed to develop, market and promote solutions that use the 3.5 GHz band in the United States under the premise that "will be essential to drive innovation, support new business models and stimulate economic growth. "
Firms are participating in the efforts of the Wireless Innovation Forum to develop and promote the adoption of specifications concerning the operation of this band, which include the provision of an interface for central coordination of spectrum systems enable protection of federal operations and management of coexistence among the tenderers.
The sextet will conduct field tests based on LTE in the second half of 2016 and will showcase some of its achievements in the Mobile World Congress (MWC16) in Barcelona.
In September 2015, it was learned that Google Nokia exploring the possibility of deploying LTE-U over 3.5 GHz. The news was surprising because the multinational Internet to the FCC expressed his hope that the fourth generation services anchored in licensed systems do not invade the space-based technologies unlicensed spectrum.
BACKGROUND
4G / LTE networks and spectra used in operational networks
GSA notes that until April 9, 2015, 393 operators have launched commercial LTE services in 138 países.Pronóstico year-end a total of 460 deployed networks.
At the end 2014, it is estimated that these networks serving a total of 497 million users.
The GSA specifies that at least 646 operators are investing in LTE around 181 countries, proving to be the fastest growing technology in history.
LTE-Advanced, which offers faster for users and is characterized by the aggregation of carriers, also shows a remarkable performance in 2015. According to GSA, is currently present in 39 countries through 64 networks deployed.
ESPECTOS UTIIZADOS
The most commonly used in LTE spectra they are:
1.8 GHz (lane 3), known as 3GPP band 3. This band is being used in 70 countries by 144 operators, more than 45% of LTE networks worldwide, and is supported by the largest ecosystem of user devices 769 products. More than 40% of the devices can operate in the band of 1,800 MHz.
2.6 GHz (lane 7), which is used in 26.4% of networks in commercial service.
AWS (lane 4) or 1.7 / 2.1GHz 8% is used. In 2013 two blocks Peru (Movistar and Americatel) AWS band were awarded. Is operational only Movistar.
800 MHz (band 20) gained share as the third most popular band spectrum, deployed in 55 networks commercially launched in 33 countries. "The use of sub 1 GHz spectrum (700 to 800 MHz) is critical for LTE rural area and wide coverage, and in many cases improves the experience when using mobile broadband services within spaces" said Alan Hadden, President of GSA.
VoLTE: 66 operators in 35 countries are investing in VoLTE, whether studies, tests or deployments- The GSA confirmed the launch of 92 models of smartphones that support VoLTE.
LTE-Advanced is beginning to gain popularity to be launched by 69 operators, ie, more than 21 percent.
LTE Broadcast: Most operators are investigating the potential of LTE Broadcast eMBMS provided by technologies to efficiently deliver multimedia content from one to many (point to multipoint), especially video
FDD: 90% of LTE networks using frequency division duplexing (FDD), ie the transmitter and receiver operate in different spectra. 10% use duplexaxión time division (TDD).
Just a suggestion: Break your orders down to smaller blocks. It does increase your cost but might pick up on some of the smaller holders who are trying to sell.
TD Ameritrade says the OS is 3.1 Billion (Class A shares), however, that may be based on the last time VELA reported their data.
• Market Cap
307.3K
• Shares Outstanding
3.1B
• Beta
-0.9
• % Held by Institutions
0.00
I don't know if anyone has noticed but VELA just jumped from: .0001 to .001. Anyone know what is going on or if this is a glitch?
Do you have any idea what that is? Otherwise it's only speculation. It would be useful to know. In the realm of startups the SEC has been fairly flexible in the past. It does not have the resources to be heavy handed on every small company like this.
Let's hope this is only short term. Maybe by the end of the year we'll see some improvement, holidays and all.
The best thing I read from GA's comments is he is working on developing revenue. We will just have to see how that goes. My guess from what he said is, when the "Q" is filed he has made progress toward increasing the revenue. This may not take as long as we think. However, the weight of ironridge on the stock may take time to overcome. When and if that happens I think we may see an explosion to the upside (The right side of the cup and handle). Clearly, on the surface it looks bleak.
I hear that! I think this compay is hanging on to it's fingernails. If something doesn't happen soon I think it's going to shrival and die. More customers and revenue better happen soon.
This seems to happen when they are getting ready to make announcements. It's probably being re-worked. George said Monday September 1st was the day. Let's see what happens.
It would be nice if that "real income" would show up on the 10Q. Something must be happening to delay it this long. An update on China Motion Mobile would be useful if nothing else.