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Got a trade alert, looked and...... WOW they decided to hand me 111 shares GRRR
given the fact that we no longer build and provide our licensees with the equipment they need to use our technologies.
Maybe redundant information providing from my side.
we know things like that by reading;
REVENUE RECOGNITION
The Company recognizes revenue when persuasive evidence of an arrangement exists, delivery has occurred or services have been rendered, the price is fixed or determinable, and collection is reasonably assured. The Company recognizes revenue from licensing of the Company’s corn oil extraction technologies when corn oil sales occur. Licensing royalties are recognized as earned by calculating the royalty as a percentage of gross corn oil sales by the ethanol plants. For the purposes of assessing royalties, the sale of corn oil is deemed to occur when shipped, which is when four basic criteria have been met: (i) persuasive evidence of a customer arrangement; (ii) the price is fixed or determinable; (iii) collectability is reasonably assured, and (iv) product delivery has occurred, which is generally upon shipment to the buyer of the corn oil. Deposits from customers are not recognized as revenues, but as liabilities, until the following conditions are met: revenues are realized when cash or claims to cash (receivable) are received in exchange for goods or services, or when assets received in such exchange are readily convertible to cash or claim to cash, or when such goods or services are transferred. When an income item is earned, the related revenue item is recognized and any deferred revenue is reduced. To the extent revenues are generated from the Company’s licensing support services, the Company recognizes such revenues when the services are completed and billed. The Company provides process engineering services on fixed price contracts. These services are generally provided over a short period of less than three months. Revenue from fixed price contracts is recognized on a pro rata basis over the life of the contract as they are generally performed evenly over the contract period. The Company additionally performs under fixed-price contracts involving design, engineering, procurement, installation, and start-up of oil recovery and other production systems. Revenues and fees on these contracts are recognized using the percentage-of-completion method of accounting, and specifically the efforts-expended percentage-of-completion method using measures such as task duration and completion. The efforts-expended approach is used in situations where it is more representative of progress on a contract than the cost-to-cost or the labor-hours methods. The asset, “costs and estimated earnings in excess of billings on uncompleted contracts,” represents revenues recognized in excess of amounts billed. The liability, “billings in excess of costs and estimated earnings on uncompleted contracts,” represents billings in excess of revenues recognized.
These numbers were supposed to represent the income from operations
GERS 2011
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=51847285
Even in writing the world is not black and white.
I applaud you, Jimm and the rest of the crew for providing tough answers on silly questions.
Jimm how is this one for seeing it in writing?(sec files)
11,125,017
- 6,159,595
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= 4,965,595
I don't know about you, but I'm NOT a registered GERS share holder, that takes a little more action then just buying some shares....
Do you have beef " And why are you willing to brush this off and trust the company with no obvious explanation to this? " with GERS?
Because of "(approximately)" "should" and "should" ?
The first I would do is check the spreadsheet and your assumptions again and again, if 4th q revenue is not according to your prediction.
Instead of demanding an explanation.
Any reasoning that is absurd should not be countered for the sake of Reductio ad absurdum
Reductio ad absurdum is a mode of argumentation that seeks to establish a contention by deriving an absurdity from its denial, thus arguing that a thesis must be accepted because its rejection would be untenable. It is a style of reasoning that has been employed throughout the history of mathematics and philosophy from classical antiquity onwards.
Next is not directed at you, sometimes you wonder about some of our board members still have;
“a debenture convertible into GS shares”
Comes from MAX answer
“fraud and “death capital spending””
Do NOT play with market prices. Inflation sucks, so does deflation.
We need a true market. Just a steady bid to absorb any dilution would be terrific. Jim was getting a bit to enthusiastic.
Buy your wife a nice present for 60$ and tell her she got it from KK, that will spread the word....
Or put a bid in just below or at par with the 10% conversion rate for that $ 60, true MM always visits orders that are at market. I see that we are struggling to maintain an orderly market, strong, long, verifiable, multiple bids are required. We don't want a stock price based on air. Even if we, I believe(s) it's not air. We want to see others peoples money committing to the same.
It took me a couple of years from my first 10 grand invested in GERS to double it. Lo and behold I have now to fill 40. With my average that would mean I have to fill at higher than avg.
Still not totally committed do do the 3th tranche, any substantial order to sell GERS at 0.06 will get me my 3th. Hate to take hits for 1 (one) share just below par, but hey $ 4.95 commission for 1 GERS share is not bad if you support GERS
Got some discounted ones yesterday, today was bad fishing.
1% Hmm the $ amount needed to move the % has doubled again.
Still I would advice everybody to not bet the farm on it.
Better the whole family capital.
Indeed that doesn't look like conversion dilution.
Still, dilution as in ordinary selling shares to retail could be done at the bid. We are share price wise in exact the same spot as pre-split, only this time they have a bid.
I dare say that finally we have a market. Higher lows is required.
Things that go make you say hmmm,
Contact: Editor’s Note: MeanGreen Biofuels is a subsidiary of GreenShift, www.greenshift.com.
nice find Tradian
nobody could be worried now that the website is not updated, now that is has been been updated.
thanks reply Gerry, I trade if I trade, the same way you do, and so do hundreds of others, one way or another, ever been to a market without an auctioneer?
we do what we do with the aid of our MM, ECN or whatever
Up 27.16% on OT CVM
1-2 years + 10 $
Petal if the MM have to take opposite side of your trade, wouldn't that imply that they have to short?
Which transaction cost? What is that transaction cost? You mean some people pay actually to buy or sell shares? Well sorry that doesn't apply to a lot of players, you even get paid for putting up liquidity in the form of buy and sell orders.
It's a strange world we live in: If you want to deposit more then 1 billion $ at Mellons, you have to pay interest. Dutch government receives interest on their loans.....
Look Gerry, I really don’t want to bicker with anybody then nobody.
First, do you actually belief there is a human MM for GERS?
I do not want to say also that MM are perse more honest then the people they work for are, to name a few; You, me, we give them orders, they have to oblige. To be honest I sure have had my hand in some manipulations.
And it looks like you are not free of sin either, selling whilst long to buy back cheaper is that not exactly what you accuse MM off? You are blocking the upside, scaring of potential investors trough sell orders, putting up sell bids is NOT supporting stock price, even though you allegedly will buy them back, you are then misrepresenting the truth by making it look like there are more sellers then buyers or that 0.089 is a fair price to receive for ones shares! That is immoral.
BTW MM get paid for liquidity, transaction, front running, NOT share price gain.
Feel free to rant about other people hindering your money making just realize its a sorrow sight.
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/06/ECNmarketmaker.asp#axzz1pmn93PMe
Speaking off charts. Could this be the First bull flag ever in GERS?
Higher highs and lower lows is what we are looking for.
Be sure to keep on 20 day weighted discounted toxic moving avg.
OT. Speaking off bull flags is CVM Cel-Sci finally on her way? (You should watch that chart in P&F Avg. True Range)( in GERS it shows double bottom)) My wife has been forever in that one of some of the money I made on MT. ( from penny to world leading concern)
I just allocated my first capital over there also straight to the first 100% can double/triple position when needed. (nyc % that is disclosure)
How much did D. von der Greed cost society so far?
All those millions of oil wasted thanks to this ONE man. Many bankruptcy’s also non-business would have been redundant.
If you spill that amount in a sea some heads would roll.
Class action!
Market Makers as in a (dedicated) designated specialist.
To set the scene, we will take it as a given that for whatever reason, there is a need for a MM in GERS stock. So a person in authority told me to make a market. I am reluctant to take on a new listing. I have over 60 right now and I only have so much capital. So, they prevail and I agree to make a market. Checking my capital against the number of listings and etc I post my bid of $ 0.05 and my offer of $ 0.06 I now stand ready to buy or sell at these numbers. Some trader bids $0.056, I could care less. Another trader offers @ $ 0.058 Those numbers are hit or taken and I am busy on other stocks. Then, my bid is hit, and again, and again, I now own 100,000.000 shares and I really do not want any more, so I lower my bid to $ 0.045 The bid is hit again, where are the traders that were "skating me for a couple hundredths of a penny? I then drop to $ 0.04 bid and $ 0.045 offered. At this point, traders come in and trade at $ 0.040 or perhaps $ 0.41 and cut me out. As the bounce continues there are eventually no offers under $ 0.045 so the buyers start taking my offer of $ 0.45 Seeing this, I need to find out where the market for this stock really is. So, I slowly raise my offer (price) and there are still takers. I raise it to $ 0.05 and there are still buyers. I go to $ 0.055 and then to $ 0.06 and then $ 0.065 At this point, there are traders selling under my bid. So, at this point the market is stabilized.
In the above scenario, I described the role of a market maker. He is the buyer or seller of last resort. He makes a market when nobody else will. When some intellectually challenged poster bad mouths the marker maker it reveals how ignorant he is. The market maker comes to work each day to make a living. To those who think he comes to rob and pillage are only revealing their own inner character. Their very own words about the MM's or other posters are revealing their own inner character.
This is about as basic as I can make it. Now, there have been electronic innovations, to be sure. But the nitty gritty of trading is as old or older as the ancient Egyptians. Dress it any way you like but trading is trading. You see some one needs to take the opposite of your side, MM is there to fulfil your need of an orderly market. Although designated mm get the news releases under embargo, he is legally obliged to act on it even before other people can.
I doubt we have a specialist on board but; Jim showed us a nice trades overview that showed all nice and (rosy) green. That is actually exactly what we witnessed as described in text above.
The first trades took out first bid, upon pretty soon when there were no fillers the offer price dipped below opening price. Offers are sells. If people take up on that offer it is registered as a buy very nice and calming green colour. Later in the day we even our position out.
MM don’t care where price is as long as there are trades, they get paid per trade/volume/liquidity not with stock price gain. So sometimes they go searching if bids placed well below other / his bids are real and pulls his bid and makes some tease sells to hook up as many as possible.
"This year's capital spending plan includes productivity, reliability and environmental projects that will add value and continue to improve operations at the facility."
Yet another Greenshift customer spending money on production upgrades. I can't help but wonder if this is why the dessication patents were fast-tracked. Are all of Greenshift's customers in on it? Would hammer mills be a thing of the past if producers use the powerful vortex of the Tornado Generator? Pneumatic air powered devices are more powerful and efficient. Bypassing the hammer milling process would save a ton of energy as well as money on costly equipment.
"A major disadvantage of the hammermill is the tremendous amount of wear (linings must constantly be replaced).
Small grain hammermills can be operated on household current. Large automobile shredders can use one or more 2000 horsepower (1.5 MW) diesel engines to power the hammermill."
Shredding the corn is on of the first steps in making ethanol. Bascically, the Tornado Generator shreds the corn better than a hammer mill, faster than a hammer mill, using less energy, and increasing ethanol yields. How about a royalty for the increase in ethanol gallons instead of just corn oil. Of coarse this would be a royalty on billions of gallons instead of 10's of millions...
Good Luck To All!$!$!$!$
My advice is not to bet the farm on it.
Instead the whole family capital.
Salute to you Slash
Life is not all roses for a trader my friend.
Nowadays I only trade to keep close to actual trading price.
You knew when you bought in you should always have enough savings to double four times at least. Not every trade is right so money invested goes up. Proud to say I have reached my second 100% since first buy. In the mean time 2 bagger became 78 bagger using LIFO algorithm. Filling bids are always good if you are long, some one needs to keep up the 21day avg.
100%
That's horrible for us GERS holders "Their Future Goals seem consistant with their past, and with their Technical Research into Algae and other Waste, the best and proper use of their Talents and Resources."
Whaaaat you mean no dividend? BOO BOO, BOOBOO that means I'm stuck with a stock price of $ 11.44 instead of $ 1.14
That really sucks GERS
I thought that dividend would be $ 10
DILUTION HALLELUJAH!
Filling us up nicely, 95%
Let Nobody be vigilant, he has our backs we can buy GERS shares without worry!
Amen
There is NO news black out, just no news reported.
There is NO privatization, just little minds.
Kevin Kreisler is NOT dead, just a mistaken obituary.
There is NO deadline for a SHL, just hype creators.
There is NO share buy back, just investing.
There is NO hurry, just impatient shareholders.
There is NO end to the "substantial issues"
How much money do you make watching the stock price?
Go out enjoy life, let your money work for you.
Think you have to reconsider this point "even if greenshift doesn't win"
no win = no 20% = force majeur.
3000000 shares added to OS
Helpppppppp, have to adjust projected PPS to $4.61 from $ 4.63.
Sjeesh what to do now, better sell all I guess.
I see your next post was deleted.
this message will self destruct in ...
Even though twice the same one, I would read it again!
Trading and investment handbook for the future.
You pick a stock that you do not own and were you are not short, then pick a corresponding message board, then start ventilating your opinion.
Voilà that is future for making money from stock market.
You might just say, hey! but you don't need to buy or sell stocks anymore, thats right just pick a message board and do your thing.
Did you read this line? Many people are concerned about the downward progression of the PPS. Guess people are sending him now private letters telling him their worries.
I for one am not in the least concerned about my investment in GERS are you?
Be carefull with bottom fishing....
no body would say that:
I do cost me a bundle in transaction costs, partial ( some body got got filled at 0.082 before me) fills, instead of laying a solid block.
A true algorithm would search out those bids to touch them, so MM; in this case computers looking for anomalies serve their purpose, hook up as many as you can, balance the book, if order come in for 1 million long you go 1 million short for example, is the sole purpose off MM; facilitate trades.
Yes tank.
Just off the phone with my broker. Have some bids in, and should be filled according to our trading data. There is a print off stock price this morning $ 0.01
Would have been a 90 % tank and 90% fill for me.
Broker doesn't honor the trade.
Are you unsure whether your investment is worth $ 1.03 or $ 1,17?
Just do not reply to those loose fodders.
Agree, I know they are rented per response by IHUB, so you will subscribe just to make it possible to ignore them.
Well they won't get me!
That was my substantial post of today.
MT stopped diluting about 5 years ago, are they now higher in value then they were diluting? NO During their last dilution, (told before to everybody who wanted to hear) the reached a high, double from were they now are.
Dilution is meaningless in this case.
Please Ollie don't call the TA, don't give the plebs fodder.
The only thing to fear is fear itself.
Good find. EOM
My usual disclaimer, I will post more then once this year
Morning, Total could you be so kind to incorporate Neil's spreadsheet in the sticky s?
83% eom
I for one think even one post a week is to much.
Certainly if after that restriction you still use that one post to say nothing.