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34,
I respect your opinion. I base my opinion on nearly 7 years of ownership of this stock, from the Siliwood days through at least 2 dozen failed attempts at making movies, developing new 3D technology, and more failed mergers and buy outs than I could possibly post here.
I still remember the large numbers of investors that backed the reverse split of a few years ago. You remember. The one that was supposed to get us on the Nasdaq.
Well I voted against that as well. Why? Because I KNEW that it was a bogus reason. I KNEW we wouldn't go to Nasdaq. The simple fact was that Ray & company were running out of shares to sell and they needed their quarter of a million dollar salaries. Period.
Well, as it turned out, I was right. The Nasdaq idea went the way of just about everything else they ever said....never happened.
Now, as the OS started going back up to it's previous level, what a surprise that they wanted another increase in shares.
And make no mistake about it. When they use up those, they'll hit you with another reverse. Bank on it!
It's the way these clowns have been operating for YEARS.
So only 2% feel like I do? Oh well. I bet few if any of that 98% have been around as long as I have, (WHP and maybe a couple others), and have lived through the constant lies and deceit in this company's background.
For the record, I voted against the increase and against Willinberg & Howells continuing on the BOD. Of course I knew that it wouldn't happen. But some day you people will finally realize that this company is a joke and you were screwed.
I take it that they got their dilusion passed.
Ha ha. You guys will never learn. Ray is the King of Bullspit and it looks like they did it again.
Remember that reverse split nonsense? Well, as soon as those liars use up the new shares, they'll be calling for another one. Bet on it!
If you start believing anything out of Ray's mouth....You are in for a large disappointment.
I still have certs in my pocket with lint stuck to them.
Mine have little stick men with spears and wooley mammoths
Something is definitely up. RB bashing seems to be very high lately and we all know that only good stocks gets bashed (otherwise would be no incentive for bashers to buy at low levels).
Please don't say that. That semi-frequently used assumption is so totally ridiculous that it defies explanation. Just go to any board of a stock that has gone under. You will see MORE bashing as the stock sinks.
I'm not saying it has anything to do with NVEI, but every time I read that stupid analogy I cringe.
Hi Bill,
I've always had great respect for your opinions. We've both been here a looooooooong time. Ernie, You, Me, & BenMack are about as long as one gets in this stock.
Don't misunderstand me, I, too, hope the new management can get this thing rolling as well.
As for present management reading this, well let's say that after my last few posts several months ago one of my employees got a call from a bitching RW. It made my day.
As you are aware I have no use for any of them and I sincerely hope new management operate in an honest and upfront manner. It's about all one can hope for.
I've always prided myself on following through on my promises. When I was in law enforcement, nobody hated "bad" cops more than I.
Now that I'm in business management, I resent management that doesn't follow through on their promises. Unfortunately the OTCBB is full of management wannabees who are great at putting out the PR's but terrible in actually accomplishing what they promise.
I'd rather hear NOTHING from management than dozens of fluff PR's that never materialize.
THe new team have their work cut out for them because the past 7 years were a disaster and I'd be hard pressed to find a single PR that actually came to fruition as written, by far the worse record of any stock I ever owned.
At any rate here's to the future.
Good luck Bill.
Surf
NVEI, QPRC, TTRIF in common
I noticed that you and I both share these same stocks,
all three of which have been down 90-99% over the past year.
Yet on QPRC you are the eternal optimist. Please transfer some of your QPRC joy over here and give us some peace.
BTW, years ago we must have both listened to the same cold-calling broker pushing stocks. D.T. perhaps?
Waiting patiently.
Paper,
You have me mixed up with surf n' turf. Although I do own QPRC, I'm hardly what you'd consider an optimist. Management there are probably the most worthless people I've ever seen in a stock in my 17+ years of investing. I'd rather have 10 Rays than the clown they have at the helm.
I don't own TTRIF, however.
Also, waiting patiently.....
It's great to have Surfca back (sarcasm, folks). I've really missed how he can clog up a board with useless bickering. Remember the RB days....
Clog up? Just don't read them. Simple solution.
See you all around, I'm giving up on I-hub for a while, too.
Mosconiac
p.s. This is where you call me a "content cop" or "Nazi" again Surfca.
At least my posts have to do with NVEI, not just personal attacks against another poster.
Surfca, None of us has given you
the right to pour salt on our wounds.
Heh, we lost shares too. We have been waiting too.
You make it sound as if you are the only one thats suffered here....... NOT!.......We are all in the same boat.
The only difference is, that not only do we have the ups and downs of waiting for New Visual to complete the Tech, we have to put up with listening to your belly aching also.
Your fellow investors here on this thread can't influence anything that New Visual does (or doesn't do), so please take your comments to somebody that can change things, as nothing positive can come of complaining to your fellow investors.
This reminds me of a time when we were out camping with a boy scout troop. One night it poured cats and dogs, and 'everyone' was soaked, but we had to listen to that 'one' kids whining, all night long.
Enough is enough. We got your drift.
Thanks in advance for your consideration of others, that are in the same boat with you.
There is a purpose to my posting. Since I am well aware that management either reads this thread or gets updated from some of the longs, I just want to be on the record as NOT being a pushover with regard to my investment as so many of you apparently are.
I don't want them thinking that they can do anything they like and every shareholder will sit back and say nothing, even if what they do is unethical or worse.
I don't like being lied to and I don't like shares taken from me for false reasons. I have as much right to complain as you do to cheerlead.
Mark. You said........
For starters there is NO valid excuse. You just don't take people shares for a reason and then renege on that reason. Period. End of Story.
That answer tells me everything I need to know about this conversation!
Excel
However your answer doesn't tell me anything. Let me ask you. Since the application was pulled and that application was the reason for the reverse split in the first place, how exactly can you try to put a positive spin on that?
I compare it to an employment agency charging you $100 for them to circulate your application to prospective employers, and then, AFTER taking your 100 bucks, they pull your applications from those prospective employers. (However the employment agency most likely would have been charged criminally).
It that right? You'd be hard pressed to find ANYONE outside of this stock to think that pulling that app was appropriate. I know I have yet to find anyone who felt that it was a legitimate thing to do.
It's the failure of some of the "true longs" (for lack of a better term) to find fault with something so obviously wrong that tends to prevent investors from believing ANYTHING from that camp.
In my opinion, reputable businesses just don't do that to their investors. If you say you are going to do something, then by God you follow through with it, especially when it involves reducing the investor's portfolio by three quarters.
In my opinion, I believe that reverse was made solely because they were running out of shares and shareholders wouldn't have been receptive to increasing the number. So a well choreographed reverse split was proposed using excuses like "it's to get on Nasdaq" or "it's so we can attract the 600 lb gorillas."
Well, it worked. The R/S got approved, the application gets pulled, and we sit with 3/4's less shares of course with a heavily reduced share price (as was predicted by many of us).
Just once I'd like to see one of you admit that this R/S was bogus. Why didn't management just try a little honesty and say, "hey we need more shares available to attempt to build a better business", instead of that R/S is needed for Nasdaq nonsense?
At any rate, this is my last post for today. I've said my piece and I will await the new CEO and his team. I do have a suggestion however and that is that he NEVER try to get another R/S through.....
mdj,
For the most part, I agree. But it's not that easy to forget about losing 3/4 of your shares for no damn reason.
As for the future, I'm trying to hold out hope, especially since a new CEO is coming on board.
I guess we'll see.
Good luck.
Mark. What excuse is it we are talking about to be clear in communication here that you understand was given for the pulling of application?
Excel
For starters there is NO valid excuse. You just don't take people shares for a reason and then renege on that reason. Period. End of Story.
But the excuse that it's better to pull it and try again later is just a lame way to try to pacify the rah rahs...who fell for it hook, line, & sinker.
"Those of us who have been around from the beginning know the truth and are committed to the future of New Visual.
MDJ"
I've been around probably longer than 99.9% of the posters here and RB & Silicon Investors. So your point is moot."
Mark. You said.................
As for my supposed "bashing." It's only bashing if it's not true. My posts are always truthful, whether the die hards want to accept it or not.
Excel says........
Back this statement up then. You said...............
Sure are lucky that management lied to everybody and went through with that reverse split "to get on Nasdaq."
Ever hear of the word sarcasm?
Excel says...........
When you are done backing that statement up then back up the one below.
You said..................
Comparing a bartender being late to work and a company basically stealing 3/4's of my investment via a reverse split for phony reasons is a BIG difference Ernie.
What do you call telling everyone the R/S is necessary so they can apply to Nasdaq and then AFTER the R/S, PULLING THE APPLICATON? You can sugarcoat it all you want, but it a bogus thing to do.
Excel says..........
If you can't back the above up then your first statement above is OPINION not TRUTH! State it as such then!
Was the application pulled? YES? Well then it's TRUTH.
Excel
What do you call management telling everybody that the reverse was necessary to get on Nasdaq and then pulling the application after doing the R/S?
I know YOU won't call that a lie, but most reasonable people would, or at the very least it was inappropriate.
The above also proves the second question as well.
Had management made the application and it was rejected, then I'd have no basis for my statement, but the FACT that they pulled it proves my point in my opinion. (there how's that?).
On top of which, the excuse used for pulling it was ridiculous.
Grandy,
Well they should either give my investment back (hardly), or at the very least stop with the phony alliances that never happen and cut their salaries until there's a profit. (which I doubt their will ever be).
They've been cut WAY more than enough slack over the past 7 years. I, for one am tired of the slack and the bull.
That Nasdaq application should have allowed to come to conclusion, one way or the other. To "pull it" was WRONG no matter what stupid reasons his honor tried to force down our throats.
If the app was rejected, so be it. They tried. But to withdraw it was nothing short of lying to us IMO.
As for my supposed "bashing." It's only bashing if it's not true. My posts are always truthful, whether the die hards want to accept it or not.
Mark, if you tell people you are going to cross the street and you get hit by a bus does that make you a liar?
No, because I was trying to cross the street.
Not completing a task does not negate the attempt or the legitimacy of the reasoning.
Pulling the application AFTER taking 3/4's of the shareholders shares is NOT legitimate nor appropriate.
I, and everybody else should get their shares back or the value of same at the time they were stolen from us.
I went to your business while I was down there. The sign said you opened at 2 PM but door was locked. Well you get the message.
See previous message
Ernie
Comparing a bartender being late to work and a company basically stealing 3/4's of my investment via a reverse split for phony reasons is a BIG difference Ernie.
If you want a better comparison....how about my employee taking your $20 bill for the beer but not giving you the product.
Sure are lucky that management lied to everybody and went through with that reverse split "to get on Nasdaq."
Otherwise they would not have all these shares to give to everyone and further dilute the stock.
Great job at the bull throwing Ray.
"Mark, I really don't know what sets you off like this. It's not good for your health. You went through maybe a year of frantically rebutting everything anyone said that wasn't down on Ray. Then you got out, let up, and I prayed were healed of the hateful obsession, Now your back at it almost as fanatically. Was there something done to you since you took your gains (modest I believe, but seem to remember some gains referred to). It was your choice to get back in. You know fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
You chose to get back in deal with it, but why make all of us suffer all over again for your perception of being wronged.
Ernie"
Ernie, I suppose it's TIME that sets me off. I am an extremely patient investor, but at the same time as I look at the years flying by and we still have nothing, I tend to become a little more realistic.
I have no hateful anything, I just don't like people who talk the talk but never walk the walk.
This whole broadband approach has gone from strategic alliances with people from Frisco to companies from Texas who then sue and then 2 unknowns get hired who soon after get fired which then turns into another failed alliance and then new people get hired and we end up paying their bills while the great new technology supposedly owned by NVEI slowly gets de-mentioned and now it's another company........all this after a fraudulent appeal for an RS which reduced shareholder's shares on false pretenses....I could go on & on.
Bottom line? Still nothing, share price abysmal, a bunch of high paid management and never ending dilution.
Excuse me if I don't jump for joy every time NVEI blows out another fluff piece.
One comment I have as to Ray's salary is that salary was voted on at a time they went a lookin for contacts with the gorillas and considering a new management team. Maybe it would help some who don't think Ray is worth it to think about the credibility he needed and the possible replacements would require. ( We need a new CEO. Oh, what does the position pay. Well, no pay (or even $50,000/yr) now but we will negotiate. I think with someone of Coopers status it is far better to be seen negotiating from a $250,000 start.
Ernie
There is a big difference between a quarter of a million dollars and $50,000.
As for Cooper, hey if he can accomplish something, great. The best the other guy did to earn his keep was mention non existant alliances and issue about 3 dozen worthless PR's. (That's almost $7,000 a PR).
"The credibility he needed?" All one would have to do was read his PR's and then the REAL results....there IS no credibility.
and as for your comment " I'd be willing to bet he & a couple of the others wouldn't last 5 minutes in a private business world where your reward is based on YOUR hard work ". as you well know ray sold his privately held mortgage business to take over NVEI. it's my understanding he had built that privately held business into an extremely successful one. john howell also has extensive private sector experience having been successful enough to own and fly his own twin engine plan around the country to keep track of all of his ongoing land developments. that's not to mention the hotels, boat charter business and others he rose from the ashes.
You are right, it's no use talking to some. For whatever reason some of you are so awed by the clowns, that any rational look at their records is futile.
For the record, I wasn't talking about reasonable difficulties, I was talking nearly 100% failure! I can't remember a single PR out of literally DOZENS that ever came out as stated during the entire first 5 years and very very few since have actually developed and REMAINED as promised.
As for JH. I seem to remember all the crappola a year or so ago when he had to sell small blocks of shares "to pay the rent."
You'd think he would have saved a few cents from his private plane or hotel entepreneural adventures huh?
"SURF, you said a 7 yr history of know profits while drawing an enormous salary. Let's talk about how many years he worked and drew no salary, mortgages and almost lost his house etc to keep this together. Add up how much salary he has drawn and divide it by 7 and it will probably look much more reasonable.
Ernie"
Depends the way you look at it Ernie. Back in the Silliwood days and the early New Visual, he didn't do anything to command much of a salary. All he did was put out PR after PR promising everything and succeeding in NONE of it.
And no matter how many people try to justify it, there is no way he is worth $250,000 a year, no way, no how.
That's the problem with public companies, they just take and take because it's easy....just sell more shares. I'd be willing to bet he & a couple of the others wouldn't last 5 minutes in a private business world where your reward is based on YOUR hard work, not on the backs of thousands of shareholders and THEIR cash.
Any time you want to see the loooooooooooooooooong list of failed projects, mysteriously disappearing strategic alliances, false promises of funding, and seemingly endless number of PR's ALL of which turned out to be total bunk, I'll gladly post them...all 7 years worth.
Call me silly, but I didn't take a quarter of a million dollars a year salary from my businesses until such time as they could afford to pay it.
As for the people hired by NVEI, I never said they were all incompetents, a few of them IMO are and many are overpaid.
As for this "transformation time," call it a hunch, but I think NOTHING is going to come of the whole shooting match. The way NVEI hires, fires, alliances itself and then disalliances itself soon after, the past 7 years were and still are carbon copies of failure after failure.
"Surfca2, It's absolutely amazing that we are talking about the same company and person. I'm referring to a company laden with tech and IT talent, possessed of patents for the telecom ages, put together by whom? A CEO you describe as unfit or unable to pull this off? How did he do it? Smoke? Mirrors? The proof of the pudding is where? Do you own a company? Hire its employees? Yes, I agree; it is time for you to hibernate - we'll awaken you when your shares fructify.
Rob "
As a matter of fact I do and I have owned several and I am looking at buying 2 others as well. And I did it with MY hard earned money, not a bunch of poor shareholders feeding it to me, nor did I mislead anybody when buying & operating them.
It's not hard starting a company by selling shares to a greedy public. The HARD part is making a PROFIT and doing what you say you are going to do without making up excuse after excuse.
How did he do what? Build a business with a 7 year record of ZERO profits, while drawing a ridiculous salary for doing it?
Yes, the proof is in the pudding, and, as has been the case, we're looking at sour milk not pudding.
IMHO Ray has accomplished 7 years of broken promises, constant "never occurring" strategic alliances, dozens of "oh big buyers are waiting in the wings" and all the while collecting one handsome salary......not to mention the BIGGEST ripoff of all, the reverse split for his imaginary NASDAQ listing.
In my experienced opinion, based on his performance during the past 7 years, I feel quite sure that the whole NASDAQ app. crap was just that...crap. He needed more shares to further dilute the shareholders and they played right into his hands by agreeing with that RS.
At any rate, I'm glad to see him moving out, but unfortunately his hand will still be in it, and no doubt developing the next plot to enrich himself on the backs of investors.
I'm going back into hibernation for awhile again, anxiously awaiting the next failed merger or reverse split....
I agree. I hope Cooper is the type of person that keeps his promises.
If they'd only dump Ray & Howell, maybe this dog will go somewhere.
"You want facts? Call 1 877 610 0333. Ask for John Howell to explain in full details how this transaction works."
I wouldn't believe one thing he says, not ONE.
"Tom. People have done that in the past. And we will in the future I'm sure. Thanks for the reminder.
I have never seen so much mis-information in my life all in one day as today over there. Very sad.
Excel"
The SAD part is how anytime anyone questions the all powerful management of NVEI, you people attack.
That PR was one thing....D I L U T I O N .
"Good news. I think it's great that Ray got to announce another milestone in the company before he steps down as CEO in June, and I actually hope he gets to announce a few more things before then, too. "
I hope he takes a cut in pay before he goes as well. Less so called work=less pay in any REPUTABLE business that is.
I fail to see how the constant dilution of this stock is GOOD news.
Same old crappola now for 7 years.....
But there is a difference in debating a companies good and bad points and debating based on ones own hate for Ray.
My posts have nothing to do with any hate for Ray. My posts are based on managements failure to do what they say they're going to do. It is you who are reading the hatred. I'm posting my concerns.
This is a well documented fact of your feelings towards Ray. Ray has made mistakes in the past. No one can argue that differently.
Depends on your definition of "mistake."
But why not give this company three more months before getting on the war path again?
I have no problem with that. To be honest I have too many other things to concern myself with at the present time. However if you realy think that 3 months is going to make one bit of difference after waiting 7 years for them to do something, well.....
At any rate, I can wait.
Surf.............
As they say, talk is cheap. Just like today revelation of 25 -40 million, "the first year" on Liquid. Based on what? Expectations? Tarot cards? The "religious" backround of JH? Yes, talk is cheap, and NVEI are the cheapest people around....except when dishing out the salaries.....
Excel...........
And I suppose you know more about project movie gross? You have been there with the consultants who have projected those numbers? You want to think your statement is fact? Talk is cheap? So yours is free I guess!
No I'm just familiar with NVEI and their management and their constant pie in the sky expectations that never materialize.
As for Ray, I don't hate the man, never have. I hate very few people in this world...maybe 2 or 3.
At the same time, I'm not a fool. People earn my trust. He has not. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I've heard more bull from him over the years than any other person I've ever met, professionally or personally.
As for business, well I'm not a neophyte, and I assure you I know a little about business operations. I'm currently in my 3rd term as President of a 600 business member organization, on the Board of Directors for a nationwide 10,000 business member organization, on the BOD of another business-government relations organization, and a newly appointed Board Member of a group that Ray was previously a member of.
The bottom line is that I don't care what is "going on behind the scenes." Behind the scenes means nothing until they succeed. When (if) they succeed, they should receive the raises and hero worship that so many of you want to impose on them, otherwise their past record stands. I'm one of those crazy people who believe that adolation is an earned experience.
Interesting that you placed me on a "side". I have no intention of being adversarial. And, if you think that I am trying to muzzle and intimidate you, then you are sadly mistaken. You also said "once again...". This is the first time I have responded to you. You might want to take a critical look at the tone of your posts before criticizing the way others respond. I tried to be respectful and considerate in my response to you, yet you now choose to become adversarial with me.
The context of your response led me to believe that it was your opinion that shareholders should determine company policy. If that was not your intent, then I stand corrected. and I apologize for the error.
I was using the government as an analogy. No offense or implication of ignorance was intended.
If you truly are interested in concensus building, then I suggest removing the chip on your shoulder.
Spoke I've removed that chip so many times I have a rash on my shoulder. However, NVEI & Ray have a way of replacing it there every time.
I buried the hatchet almost 2 years ago and was willing to give them chance #345.
What happens?
They push a reverse split on everybody.
Then what?
In usual NVEI fashion they withdraw the application, the reason they did the r/s to begin with.
This outfit will never change.
Twister,
Exactly right. They've had their chance to prove they know what they are doing and, as you said, they dropped the ball every time.
Surfca. You said..............
The MINUTE they sign a contract (none of these phony strategic alliances) or make a profit, then salaries should be examined, until then they are overpaid, period.
Over paid?
Why don't you come up with some LOGICAL REASONABLE FACTS!
Fact is that they have made no profit and they have no viable product released. Those are facts. Twist it however you like, but those facts DON"T LIE.
Surfca. This is NOT a retail business where you can guage products sold.
This is not a construction business where you can see the work done.
This IS a business where they are bringing a disruptive technology to market.
Once again I'm being told things that I am quite aware of, but thanks for thinking of me.
Many behind the scenes work goes on that you nor anyone else sees.
Yet you want to just make a blanket statement that nothing is going on? No contracts signed?
My "blanket statement" as you call it is based on SEVEN YEARS of NVXE/NVEI "strategic alliances", "mergers" and the like. None of which ever happened of course.
Please don't make me repost every one, because I will. And any newbee who would read such a tremendously long list of failures, isn't going to want to spend a plug nickle on the word of these people.
Fact. I talk daily almost with management to ensure myself of the future direction of the company is going in the direction I believe it needs to be in order to bring this to market.
As they say, talk is cheap. Just like today revelation of 25 -40 million, "the first year" on Liquid. Based on what? Expectations? Tarot cards? The "religious" backround of JH? Yes, talk is cheap, and NVEI are the cheapest people around....except when dishing out the salaries.....
I learn more and more by asking questions and putting bits and peices together which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt to anyone who did the same they are working MORE then hard for their money.
Fact. If you didn't like the salaries you should have got enough shareholders on your side to change the raises given two years ago.
Fact: The proverbial straw that broke the camels back just occurred a few months ago.
Fact: Back then NVEI didn't have only 3 months worth of money available.
Fact: Back then the soon to be broken promises weren't yet broken.
FACT. They had to get rid of the last two engineers which slowed progress.
? I never mentioned them
Fact. You say phoney strategic alliances? Since when do you know what is going on behind the scenes?
Do you know what letter of intent or agreement they have with the telecos they are working with right now? NO you don't!
Have I seen any? No. Letters of Intent? Well, normally they "could" be genuine. However given Ray & NVEI's past record of releasing news concerning all their letters, alliances, mergers, handshakes, etc. it means absolutely squat until I read for MYSELF, SIGNED, LEGAL DOCUMENTS. They've pulled that so many times before that let's say I'm more than a little leary believing one thing out of their mouths.
I'll gladly start the reposting anytime you like. Because none of you, excluding perhaps Bill, have any idea the enormity of that list.
Fact. Because one doesn't understand the business NV is in which you see it that way. Because if you did YOU would realize people draw salaries on their VALUE not on what you can see at the MOMENT or from the PAST!!!
To the contrary, the past is the number one indicator on which to base one's salary. New executives don't receive enormous salaries based on their looks or empty promises. What "type" of business mean nothing. RESULTS. RESULTS. RESULTS. Not empty promises, not PR window dressings, and not sob stories about about how underpaid they are.
Surfca2: Re: "You seem to have the definitions of a PUBLIC and a PRIVATE business confused. I suggest research."
I respectfully suggest that it is you who need to do further research. Shareholders do not run companies, nor do they set salaries. They vote on specific company matters and that is about it. By voting, they chose the people to which they entrust the management of the company.
Nowhere have I ever said that shareholders "run the companies." Why do so many of you try to put words into other people's mouths all the time?
My response as quoted above was simply an answer to what the poster said which was:
"Either accept the way they are doing things, or sell, and move on."
That advice is not the way it works, complaining is a completely logical way to address the situation. Then, if there are enough others who feel the same way, then together you approach the officers or attend the shareholder meetings.
Once again your side twists the facts of what other people say in order to attempt to muzzle or intimidate them.
I made a simple quote based on a simple principle.
It is rather like our system of government. We (in the US) do not have a democracy in the purest sense. We have a republic, in which we elect people to make decisions for us. Sometimes, our elected officials must make decisions that, if put to a public vote, the voters would vote down. That is part of the job, and that is what we elect them for. A publicly traded company is no different.
Thank you but I'm quite familiar with how our system of government works. Being the Chairman of the GAC (Government Affairs Committee)for a 600 business member organization, and since I spend 1/4 of my time in Sacramento testifying before legislators, it's a safe bet that I do know a little about how things work. But thanks for your concern.
Someone else suggested that if you do not like the way management is running the company, vote your conscience at the next S/H meeting. If you still do not like the outcome, you must decide if you wish to keep the shares. Complaining here will do not good.
Exactly right about the s/h meeting. However I challenge those who say "complaining will do no good" to show me a better way of building a consensus and finding like minded shareholders than by posting on stock boards filled with other shareholders. Hmmm?
Thank you Matt. You related the exact reasons why I post that way.
Well please excuse me for making it easier to see what the post is addressing, therefore making it unnecessary to have to keep clicking back to see who and what is being addressed, thus saving time and effort.
What a terrible thing huh?