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Creeping every so slowly to the upside. Kinda like dabbling (one toenail in the water).
Need some confirmation on Director of Government Sales or product availablity to push ahead.
There are many reasons for screen name changes, I explained myself now let us stick to the subject of TRBY. Black and White and no hype.
We still await confirmation from the company in regards to the hiring of a Director of Governement Sales and the availability of there product for commercial sales post product pull.
Ha Ha Ha, Hey Bud, I will let you in on a secret....everything here is.
It is not only my correspondence. It is my communication with other shareholders here in regards to what they have been told. Some I have as hard-copy others were conversations. Do not doubt me and do not under-estimate me. I am remaining neutral at this time but do not under-estimate the power one/more shareholders.
I, like others were booted by Unknown a year ago for speaking what inevitable turned out to be reality. He acted as judge and jury. He apparently sold and is gone after creating an aura of vast knowledge about what is going on here. He boasted and bragged about the trifecta (almi, biph and trby). He got a little excited about brvo but that flopped. How many people did he convince to hold here by his braggadocious tactics? For all the time and energy designing and updating this thread, he left in a hurry wouldn't you say?People who saw what was occurring were eliminated those who went along with Unknown were allowed to stay. Ultimately, the individuals who were booted were correct in regards to where we are at currently.
Do not make the mistake of wearing blinders. Much has been said to specific individual shareholders very little of what was said has materialized.
We have yet to commence sales post product pull which shareholders never were made aware of until the 10q.
In my previous post, I applauded the 100 sale to the goverment body.
Now lets' just say this sale was legit as far as 100.00 per mouse and it was not a friend of a friend in high places of Gordon or Tom ie (pity buy with year end grant money). The company should record sales of 10,000.00 from that transaction.
10,000.00 should be recorded this quarter if the mouse is back for distribution. Last quarter they had 38,000.00 in sales. All this be true if they in fact get the product back on the market in the next 21 days. If I remember correctly, I even think Ballyhoo has to be shocked since in the July quarter, he guestimated sales at around 170,000-180,000.
As a shareholder, I will only deal in facts going forward and those numbers are the facts of this OTCBB. Until those facts change, this is my opinion as a shareholder. There is no 2007 in my mind it is what is black and white in front of me that is made available to the shareholder from the company management.
I as many here have had enough of Toms' (as Alan Greenspan put it so eloquently) "irrational exuberance".
Still no formal confirmation on Director of Government Sales so that point in my mind is non-believable at this point since the company officials find it appropriate that loyal shareholders are made aware of critical company moves via an internet message board. We still have no confirmation that product is back in the hands of the distributors.
Stating the facts available is neutral in my small little mind.
Very neutral at this point.
Just want to balance the scale of any hype at this point. Management has not met objectives in my opinion. Thus far the fact are:
100,000 sales to 38,000
10 cents shareprice to .01
92,000,000 o/s to 153,million change
no shareholder meeting 2006
letter to shareholder 2004, 2005 none 2006
internet message board announcement of Director of Government Sales unconfirmed by company
thus far unable to sell "aerobic mouse" as of 12/10 by 10q
These are as close to the facts as provided by the company in print not speculation. Once again...very neutral
Renain neutral,
At this time enthusiastic posts are about as useful as discouraging ones. Neutrality is probably the best way to maintain composure.
We still do not know if we have a Director of Government Sales as it came from a message board. When and if it has been announced by management of TRBY then it will be so.
We still, according to the 10q filed are unable to sell our products everywhere. It is Dec. 10th, 1/3rd of the month and about 75 percent of the quarter are gone. Until we here from management, we can assume 38,000 dollars sales or less this quarter?
Many of us heard 2005 was to be the year, even more of us heard 2006 was to be the year. One as it was documented heard a book was to be written at the end of 2006 entitled "the mouse that roared". I don't even think we got a purr this year it was probably just a hairball. So before we start pumping 2007, I think it would be prudent if we got some confirmation from management that the damn mouse is allowed to be sold in the first place.
If Tom is not a businessman as many and himself has eluded to here and his 2005 letter to shareholders why the hell wait so long before getting the people in here that can make a difference. It took long enough to get the auditors out of here, you would think that 8 quarters of flat to dismal growth would send the guy a wake-up call. I guess I keep forgetting that this is OTCBB (kind of the like the GEDS'/flunkies' of the public market). Sorry guys, I get kind of PO'D when I read all these past e-mails I have from corporate.
1 cent....at least we closed with news and a positive week unlike last week. Someone mentioned 1-2 dollars a share a few posts back.....well someone was told 50 cents or 1.00 by end of 2005 or something to that affect, I would have to go through my paperwork to get the exact phrase; I also think 5.00 was thrown about a few years back but a penny is where we lie.
We still do not have "official confirmation" in regards to Director of Government Sales and "legal" inventory shipping as of yet, so rumour status still exists.
Here! Here! Bally,
Let us just hope he implements and succeeds in a plan.
Still some nibbling .013.
Still no formal announcement of our new DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT SALES. Interesting.
You even infer to a parent that the use of conventional mice at the age of 8 may permanently impair their child by the age of 18...up go the arms...lawsuit....lawsuit....call out attorney. Morph and mini-morph very very catchy.
I have always been positive on the product/products but extremely pissed off on the implementation and outcome thus far as many here are but are more passive. I unfortunately am not blessed with that personality.
Morph....Mini morph,
Genius, very mainstream....I have a razor, ipod and a morph. I can see that being mainstream, especially with kids and teens.
Pushing the school kids to. Smart. Imagine 1 school supplying and others not.....the parents would uprise.
Good release....we now need positive implementation.
Ballyhoo,
I guess I do not understand the significanc. Does this benefit the aerobic mouse product?
Well it definitely looks like that seller has completed his/her goal. Boy did that look like a set up release for someone to exit...sad but atleast we know they will sell a hundred mice this quarter. Unless the debacle that we did not know was occurring has been fixed. It also sounds like we have not begun to fill product orders yet this quarter. Hopefully, they will get product in the next 25 days to post some sales. .0089
Someone went long with 135.00. 15,000 at .009. buy at market..unheard of here.
Glad to see we did not close at a new all time low, not that it means much at these price but psychologically speaking.
I guess we find our news via message boards these days ie: newly hired Director of Government Sales. I guess until he proves his net worth they should keep it quiet.
I had a broker friend check for the most accurate data available and yes those are the current figures.
My point is what have we benefitted as a shareholder for nearly double the outstanding shares. The more shares the less shareholders value when/if we ever start talking about p/e or eps. The share-price is under a penny which means you have to issue that many more to raise the cash you needed last quarter. That is why these otcbb get in so much trouble because they simply dilute there way out of existence.
Ballyhoo,
3 million is not that bad, your correct. What about the 60,000,000 since last April? How has that benefitted us shareolders?
Hey, no personnal attacks remember. I said nothing to/about you. My comments were directed at letting all shareholders who are not privy to private information or company information released on a message board that we have a new position entitled Director of Government Sales or do we.
Ok so we are not sure officially if we have a Director of Government Sales but we do know we hit another all time low and the total O/S incresed to 153,000,000 form 150,000,000.
Gordon told me a little over a year ago that TRBY is not your typical OTCBB. I believed him with a degree of enthusiasm.
As you dig deeper, I cannot say I have the same enthusiasm. In my opinion, it is beginning to look more and more like them every quarter. I wonder if they realize this.
10,000.00 is 1,265,822 shares
100 mice is 10,000.00
.0079
150,000,000 o/s to 250,000,000 a/s
going concern
precarious financial
Just a few numbers and phrases to ponder
How about something like
Due to the much anticipated and overwhelming goverment response Torbay Holding has hire Scott xxx as the Direct of Government Salesfor the 508.
Much better than a public message board.
Also, 10,000 of you OWN cash and you the Director, I would have negotiated a little better deal for ones' self. You seem like a smart....you probably did.
Another example: Why did loyal shareholders who for the most part have lost a significant amount of hard-earned money, time and faith here have to find out from a public message board that a DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT SALES was hired. This should be announced publically to all shareholders in order to instill faith in the product, management and the company.
IE: Why would Torbay hire a Director of Government Sales? WOW!!! THEY JUST GOT AN INITIAL CONTRACT WITH A GOVERNMENT ENTITY CITING THE 508 AS ITS' REASON FOR PURCHASE? Are they expecting more? Lets' delve into this small OTCBB.
Now that is an appropriate way to handle someone as important as a Director of Government Sales not a fckin message board.
Do you think shareholder awareness as described above all along may have supported the stock price to a respectable level so one could obtain financing instead of almost double dilution and a 95% decrease in shareholder value over 2 years?????????????????????????????????????????? INSTEAD OF THE BS SUPER-SECRET E-MAIL COMMUNIQUES THAT HAVE BEEN OCCURRING. I think so and I am not even a business major.
Cograts AV8TORAK, NOW LETS' GET SOME CONTRACTS.
There you go, you were not who you said you were and unable to keep quiet. These boards are useful after all. My sincere apologies. Honesty and straight-forwardness are the first part of any good investment by its' company leaders. Well, I am very glad we got all this figured out. You did say you would not post anymore but I am glad you took the time to finally be honest with those who have invested there hard earned dollars in this company. The product is SIGNIFICANT and has an EXTREME amount of potential but the "EXTREME" amount of confusion and lack of sincere shareholder communication leads some astray. I for one. Now that we all know who and what your ambitions are we are now on a "MUCH" more level playing surface. A significant amount of information has been provided over the years to shareholders who e-mail management with "very little almost no financial gain" to shareholders. This leads to only doubt and confusion. If one wants to act like a player and be a public company, one needs to treat its' shareholders with respect, dignity and provide all with information they require to uphold the belief that the entity is playing with a full deck. Now wasn't that easy. If management and its' personnel would only be straight-forward with its' shareholders and provide information to all not just a select few things would be alot easier. Ex: why is one shareholder able to find out that a deal with 3M is brewing, another that the 508 has a change in its' wording last spring, I can find out that a deal with Walmart is delaying the process with 3M(which Gordan was extremely pissed to find out I was privy to, but a buddy of mine does not even get a response back after 3 e-mails. My investment dollars and time are just as GDDAMN valuable as managements' and yours and I will make sure gddmn that we are all on the same level in order to protect against reprisals for those who may not be as fortunate when/if this finally hits. We are all bound to the Securities and Exchange Commission.........remember that. Plenty here may have sold because of lack of info. Those that have held, held for a reason and it ain't the
100,000 to 38,000 in sales
10 cents to .0079
90,000,000 to 150,000,000 o/s
2004, 2005 shareholder address to none 2006
2005 shareholder meeting to none 2006
it was due to side corporate communications. If they are successful it does not take a moron to figure out that those who sold will probably have an axe to grind knowing full well that people had side communications with management which may have instilled enough confidence for them to hold on and they want there money back. God help those who made trades post communiques with management.
P.S. I absolutely knew it..........OTCBB is all what they say it is. For those of you who actually understand what has been going on with your hard-earned dollars...your welcome.
Barndog,
You said AV8torak IS VERY SMART WITH MONEY AND HE KNOWS HOW THE GOVERNMENT WORKS. On paper your wrong on both accounts because he supposedely invested here quite a boatload and is sitting at .0079 losing 90,000 dollars, that is not smart as you have painted. He also apparently worked for the company and government and still bought the stock early on. If he knew how the government worked, he would have known the struggles they faced hence he would have been more prudent.
I guess if losing 90,000 plus another so-called 10,000 makes you VERY SMART WITH MONEY AND KNOWING HOW THE GOVERNMENT WORKS then sign me up.
My theory is that he saved faced with that elaborate 10,000 cash post meanwhile he sold his 1.4 million shares over the past 2 days. He said he was going to present to Tom and he may not of liked what he heard. Ironic how he shows up with a heart-felt inconcievable idea and the stock trades down on big volume with a great release. Interesting how he says he will not post here again.....just saving face probably...maybe guilt.
Makes no sense to sell, hoping for a buyout at 6.5 cents though.
DGA,
I really was not slamming you at all just the theory itself. Sorry if I offended you, I guess I should have made that a general comment.
What an appropriate timing to claim you worked for Tom, the company, 1.4 million shares and utilize the war situation to garner support and belief of your posts. Sucked me in, very patriotic. Sorry but he blew his credibility with that 10,000 dollar comment. Classic
I asked for what? Get a hold of your emotions on this stock. We do not know who anyone is here and for someone to claim to put 10,000 of their own money into doing work in which you are not contracted for and will not be paid for which you claim you used too work for, for which you claim to hold 1.4 million shares, for which you claim you have already dropped around 90,000, for which you claim you have refocused your finances because you married the woman of you dreams and your priorities have changed. C'mon, alot of people have been told alot of things here including you....look where we are at. I applaud him if in fact this is true, but really you can say almost anything here you want. The only facts are those in print from the company...press releases, 10q's, 10k's, shareprice and outstanding shares and thus far the outcome is simply miserable. I am sorry but this I cannot believe and that is my opinion. Let us all just get a gddm grip here already.
Now how the hell do we know that this is actually true. If he is doing this, great. 10,000 dollars of your own cash c'mon. You have already lost a significant portion of your 1.4 million shares net dollar value. I have heard some wild things on these boards but this one takes the cake. Are we really this gullible or are we clinging to anything that people say. Like I said if he is doing this great but I am not to sure I believe him.
Or you can look at it as he met with Tom and gained some insight which would cause him to do so. That sure as hell would not be information that SHOULD be shared with all shareholders now......would it???? Again, they need to be careful. To throw 10,000 bucks of your own cash in a stock that
100,000 to 38,000 in sales
90,000,000 o/s in april to 150,000,000 plus current
10 cents to .0079 share price
shareholder meeting 2005 to none 2006
elaborate 4 page shareholder updates 2004..2005 to none 2006
I would say those odds suck unless you had some insight and that is not legal....interesting very interesting but another item documented in this whole tale
Just my opinion...fire away
That was a dismal close for the week. euphoric to a degree to dismal. I would like to know who that was set up for and why. Classic just classic.
I firmly, firmly disagree. I have been that road before and was extremely satified with the outcome. I am an investor and I do ok. I am commited and believe in the product that is why I am here. As for those private comments they are unfair to shareholders as a whole and to the contrary of what people may think here, the Securities Exchange Commission does care and they are a very useful tool. 3M should have never been released to a shareholder...PERIOD. Remember the "integrity" comments of 4 months ago, hence my opinion. Iwould know nothing of any news coming out either.
That is just the point. You, I and many others knew nothing about a potential 3M deal. Not faulting Macdad but why did he know this. I know people who have asked many times if deals were brewing and heard nothing but "we are progressing". I deal in the present but I know people who sold because they felt nothing was materializing. I just do not want anyone angry if this flies and they were not part of it because they sold when they felt nothing was progressing especially when they are aware that some were given a hell of alot more info than others privately. I hope you see the point of public discussion in regards this issue and its' potential ramifications. I invested here and want my investment protected and in accordance with the SEC.
I have my hard earned money here. I have witnessed what information people are able to obtain from management here. I know people who have called/e-mailed management on several occassions and have never recieved anything even close to what has been documented here. For example, a shareholder here knows a deal is brewing with 3M? I did not see that in any press release, did you? That is considered "inside information" Sir. A shareholders sells his stock last spring because of comments made regarding changes in the 508? Before you jump to conclusions be very aware of what is/has been going on here and the potential outcomes for all. I certainly hope those who have sold are in fact gone and do not hold grudges of any kind.
Again, noone is bashing anyone. My hard earned money is invested hear and I am demanding a level playing field. It has been clearly documented that people have specific information that other shareholders have not been privy too. My hard work in exploring this situation has confirmed this issue has been going on for quite some time. It is illegal to buy and sell stock based on information from comapny officials.
Let me give you a possible scenario that has been created by all this talk.
Those shareholders who may have sold based on comments obtained may possibly have an axe to grind if in fact this becomes successful. The fact that sensitive information has already been traded is already evident. Those who may miss out on the success may come back and haunt us. I do not care who buys and who sells, their trades better be on a level playing field in accordance to the way the Securities Exchange Commission expects it to.
10 cent to .0083 in the past 2 years.
90,000,000 shares to 150,000,000 plus outstanding shares since April
100,000 sales to 38,000
shareholder meeting 2005 to no shareholder meeting 2006
July 2004,July 2005 shareholder yearly 4 page updates on website.....July 2006 to present......NONE POSTED..NOT ONE WORD
Whitesands admits he speaks with Tom and encourages those who he accuses of "bashing" to call Tom. He even provides all the contact info. Why so positive when on paper things seem so dismal. Did not the quarterly say something about precarious financial situation and exist as an ongoing concern? WHY IS WHITESANDS SO POSITIVE WITH THESE VERY REAL ISSUES. WHAT DOES WHITESANDS KNOW THAT WAS NOT RELEASED PUBLICALLY TO ALL SHAREHOLDERS? INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST.....................DON'T YOU THINK?
Whitesands be careful because I am not as foolish as you seemto think I am.
Macdad,
With all those individuals who have spoken with Tom over the past several years, I find it distressing that most have had the same outcome/opinion. It seems many have been told plenty of grandeous events/potential outcomes. I find this concerning as my investment rides on this outcome. While I do believe your comments on the 3M issue and I do believe this was stated to you based on comments made by other past and present shareholders concerning other "statements", were you ever able to find out if this is still an ongoing potential. I only ask because if the 3M potential still looms it could be a company turnaround deal. While I disagree to the fact that he would divulge that to you privately, I assume that avenue has failed due to the fact that you do not own this stock anymore. You and I as many others seem to have gotten caught up in whatever the whole motive of those grandeous comments to shareholders privately. I was always under the impression that shareholders were to be communicated with via public press releases or am I wrong here? Maybe Whitesands would like to take a stab at that question since he seems to have a comment about everything else here???? Maybe that is why he is SO positive. I think he is sucked in to the Tom factor. Whitesands you do keep telling us to talk to Tom don't you????? What do you know? It is awfully suspicious that you maintain such a positive outlook and state openly that you talk to Tom. I have not seen a "updated letter to shareholder for 2006". What makes you so GUNG-HO on a .0083 OTCBB stock??????? I think any information that is not relayed to shareholders as a whole is deemed "INSIDER" info. Is that what is going on here??????
One potential seller could be that guy AV8TORAK, he consistently boasted of 1.4 million. He claimed he worked for Tom in the past and around Sept he was going to contact Tom with a plan.......well he has not posted since... food for thought. Great press release yesterday though Whitesands poor stock performance though.
JUST SO WE ARE ALL CLEAR, IF YOU BUY OR SELL AN EQUITY BASED ON INFORMATION FROM A CORPORATE OFFICIAL THAT IS NOT MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC THAT TRADE IS DEEMED "INSIDER TRADING" AND IS PUNISHABLE BY A FINE BY THE SEC AND/OR JAIL TIME WHETHER IT OCCURED VIA THE NYSE, NASDAQ, AMEX, OPTIONS OR OTCBB. JUST SO WE ARE ALL AWARE COMPUTERS DO LEAVE AS THEY SAY "PAPER TRAILS".
I do know of at least one individual who sold shares based on comments made in an e-mail regarding a rule change in the 508 last spring. This info was relayed privately to a holder here and that individual admitted getting out because of that info. I think we all need to be VERY careful here.
As a shareholder, I hope that is not occurring here. I do already have plenty of shareholders' communications with management on file from Jan-June.
Maybe now you can see why I am so PISSED OFF. I lost money and I hope it is not because I did not have the "RIGHT INFORMATION AT THE RIGHT TIME". It is certainly looking that way though. Be very careful here guys.
Iam not quite sure I stated he sold into this but you can refresh my memory. Someone was selling and selling consistently. Good PR for those of us who have been here. It gives promise of future contracts especially if legals are being considered(why do they get this mouse to protect and we do not). I am always cautious of volume and price going into and after releases.
It is funny how all those so-called bashers of the past actually had the pulse on this years ago. Hell, one even predicted the move down through 2.5 cents. He even got deleted form this board....interesting. Everyone called him every name in the book but reality is we are well below that figure and struggling to keep our head above water. Most of those cheerleaders were those who have commentary from leadership, I unfortunately was one of them. Who ended up upside down here? Best way to go is right down the middle. You do not pump and you do not bash...neutral is how I see it.
Good press release but standard share-price reaction. Reality is: noone bought the release for what it could be the start of; they sold the history of this management. .083.
.0083 ?????? huh! Someone set up this opportunity to sell a boatload? Wonder why? The news showed revenues by a government entity. Whos' knows with these guys.