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UMA Live on T-Mobile. (like I predicted about a year ago) http://mobile.gigaom.com/2006/08/22/t-mobile-uma-looms-large/
Stitch -who feels vidicated the Plaintiff 2 k is eating dirt-
Chumply? Whoa...aren't you the guy that's Long 450K on a stock that was as high as what? $6? and it's now where? Chumply. That's a good one woo ha hee hee hee...he actually called ME chumply.
Have you ever seen a satellite phone dude? Do you have any idea what the attenna looks like? Or the cost of service?
And remember, CLYW has already proven that they can GET a PATENT, it's the company's ability to EXECUTE on that Patent that proved beyond them before.
So if they couldn't do the seemless handoff with something easy and terrestrial like WiFi, what makes you think in a million years that they can do it with an orbiting object? Puhlease.
I'm gonna enjoy watching your 450K auger into the ground and vanish in a mound of ash. Chumply. That's perfect.
What will "we" do if CLYW gets a patent related to satellites? I will laugh. I know the history of satellite based cellular. I know CLYW's History too. I know that they don't have the capacity to execute on anything or the finances to defend a patent on a technology that isn't terribly necessary in much of the world, and cumbersome to use where it is needed.
As for anyone else, I can't say I only speak for myself.
S.
Another Day, Another Nail in the CLYW Coffin:
( BW)(CA-LONGBOARD) LongBoard Blazing Path on IMS and Multimedia
Roaming; Company Delivering IMS Solutions and Partnerships to Enable
IMS Service Mobility
Business Editors/High-Tech Writers
SANTA CLARA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 26, 2006--LongBoard,
Inc., a leading provider of IP Multimedia Subsystem (IMS)-compliant
software that powers the next generation of personalized multimedia
services, is moving forward aggressively to enable carriers to deliver
seamless IMS multimedia services across fixed and mobile networks.
LongBoard, which currently offers the industry's leading
IMS-compliant solution for the seamless handover of voice calls across
mobile and fixed networks, is adding new capabilities that enable
seamless multimedia services. This includes unique new capabilities
that provide carriers and mobile users with multimedia session
continuity across multiple networks and devices with quality of
service assurance.
IMS is an emerging reference architecture that enhances carriers'
ability to quickly launch new, personalized multimedia services across
a variety of access technologies. More than three dozen major
carriers, including all major carriers in U.S. and Europe, have
announced plans to deploy IMS services and are conducting technical
trials of IMS products.
"We believe in the vision of IMS. We therefore have ensured that
from day one that our software products are 100% compatible with
emerging IMS specifications," said Hari Haran, CEO and President of
LongBoard, Inc. "Our IMS-compliant software enables carriers to
maximize the potential of IMS by offering subscribers
revenue-generating converged services," he stated.
Interoperability with Leading IMS Vendors
LongBoard is working closely with leading Tier 1 networking
equipment manufacturers to ensure interoperability between their IMS
products and LongBoard's. This includes ensuring that the LongBoard
Multimedia Application Platform (LMAP), the company's converged
services platform, which includes the Call Continuity Control Function
(CCCF), communicates with the Call Session Control Function (CSCF) in
these vendors' IMS products via the standard IMS Service Creation
(ISC) interface. In addition, LongBoard is ensuring that its software
interoperates with the Home Subscriber Subsystem (HSS), the main
centralized database that holds all the end user information, via the
SH interface.
VCC-Compliant Mobile Call Handover
LongBoard's commitment to IMS starts with OnePhone, an
IMS-compliant solution for seamless handoff of voice calls between
cellular networks and 802.11 (WiFi) networks. OnePhone complies fully
with the Third Generation Partnership Project's (3GPP) emerging Voice
Call Continuity (VCC) specification (3GPP TS 23.806). LongBoard is
working with key partners such as Stratus Technologies, HelloSoft, and
Ecrio to deliver a comprehensive client/server solution for seamless
mobility.
Seamless Mobility for Multimedia
LongBoard is bringing to market new IMS software that enables
continuous multimedia sessions across heterogeneous networks and
devices. This software ensures that mobile users' multimedia sessions
won't be compromised or the session dropped as mobile users move
across different access networks. This is key to ensuring quality user
experiences and boosting Average Revenue Per User (ARPU), the main
driver for carriers' moving to the IMS architecture.
About LongBoard, Inc.
LongBoard Inc. is a leading provider of IP Multimedia Subsystem
(IMS)-compliant software that powers the next generation of
personalized multimedia services. Deployed in carrier networks since
2001, LongBoard's software enables converged services that meet and
exceed carrier and user expectations for quality and reliability.
LongBoard is headquartered in Santa Clara, CA and has sales offices in
the U.K., The Netherlands, and Japan. For more information, visit
www.longboard.com.
--30--
CONTACT: LongBoard, Inc.
Rob Fuggetta, 650-369-2002
rfuggetta@longboard.com
P2K, I don't make a habit of watching this board. I have better things to do. I just visit from time to time when something worthy of comment in other news comes my way.
In regards to your latest reply I have to say that you've made so many errors in your remarks that I honestly don't know where to start. Your understanding of the IP Multimedia Subsystem is totally flawed. ASNAP is nothing remotely like "IMS in a Box" and stating it is belies your complete ignorance of the area.
Further your comment about VOIP relating to "network drain" is also inaccurate when the more recent technologies are taken into account. ]Qualcomm recently announced placing 62 simultaneous VoIP calls on a single node over EVDO Rev A (http://www.qualcomm.com/press/releases/2006/060607_successfully_demonstrates_fully.html )...that's far more efficient than *ANY* Cellular Technology.
Perhaps you should learn a thing or two about this space before speaking about it. (or investing in it - where's the stock today? $0.08 ? )
S.
According to the article cited:Calypso’s ASNAP server costs about $10,000, while the stand-alone client software has a one-off cost of $40 per phone. The company’s RV Tech-Intel WiFi phone, the C1250i, retails for about $400.
$40 Per phone??? Sorry guys will never happen. That's more than most phones cost. Even the incremental cost of $5 for additional radios (such as wifi) is a prohibitive expense. The margins just aren't there for the inclusion of any single part in a phone (except possibly the display) that goes for $40.
I don't know how anyone can think these guys can roll out something like this after all this time. I'm frankly amazed that anyone believes anything this company says at this point.
In any case we'll see what happens as bigger and bigger players roll out their UMA solutions (which themselves only have about a two year lifespan since they'll be replaced by IMS).
Incidentally, when networks upgrade to all IP networks, the need for UMA or any other solution disappears.
If CLYW is going to do anything at all time is running out. As to the idea that Pulver would use CLYW...I'll give him a call he's a friend of mine...
Cheers,
S.
About now, all of you that were rude, insulting, and generally unpleasant can publicly apologize for your actions. I did try to warn all of you months ago when the share price was still over a dollar.
I told you that the patent wasn't going to stop UMA, that the big players had their own solutions and that the company wasn't going to deliver on the phones.
I really did try to call your attention to the irregularities in the way the company was managed and filed their required reports and I reminded you all that the one person that understood the technology wasn't even at the company any longer.
In return I was attacked, denigrated, called names, accused of being someone named "bennito" even though I am the most public person on this forum and introduced myself publicly the first time I posted and went so far as to have provided links to my work to validate my claim. At one point P2K even threatened to try to harm me or my business - and for what? Because I saw what was going to happen and tried to make people on here aware of the situation and save them the pain of watching their investments dwindle from real money to nothing.
Everything I said was true and accurate, every prediction I made has come to pass.
So who's first?
SS
As If CLYW Needs Another Nail in the Coffin...
Siemens and Time Warner Demonstrate IMS (Fixed Mobile Convergence w/seamless handoff)
(Read Below Carefully; you'll notice something conspicuously absent - any mention of Calypso or ASNAP or COMOB ...)
Setting the Stage for a Converged Blend of Personalized Wireless and Fixed Consumer Services; Bringing Entertainment, Telephones, Internet Applications and Wireless Together.
Siemens Communications Inc. and Time Warner Cable announced the successful demonstrations of fully integrated fixed line, mobile and WiFi broadband technologies via Internet protocol multimedia subsystem (IMS) standards to deliver fixed mobile convergence (FMC). The demonstrations highlight the operational value of adopting Siemens' IMS solutions and show how consumers can now enjoy shared multimedia applications, entertainment features and communication sessions - including converged wired and wireless solutions.
Time Warner Cable is one of the first cable operators to demonstrate the use of IMS at the company's Herndon, Va., facility. Time Warner Cable is using Siemens' technology to support a range of IP-based services. One demonstration used several online gaming scenarios to test the integration of both packet- and circuit-switched telephony networks as well as a range of different wireless and fixed technologies. The technology supported gaming between a user with a wireless device who was playing against an opponent on a fixed-line network device. The two companies have also demonstrated dual-mode handset usage, including seamless handoffs as users roamed from WiFi coverage - either at work and at home - to cellular coverage areas.
"IMS technology is an exciting new technology for consumers who want their devices to work seamlessly together - including presence-aware features that can direct calls, video and messages to devices that are currently in use and in ways that are most convenient for the end user at any given moment," said Mike LaJoie, Chief Technology Officer at Time Warner Cable.
"Rather than being limited in capabilities due to silos of network architectures, IMS promises a new world of seamless provisioning opportunities for broadband operators. This will include the ability of operators to rapidly and cost-effectively deploy highly personalized entertainment services."
Siemens is an industry leader in fixed mobile convergence, leveraging its global experience that cuts across both mobile and fixed networks. The company is a global leader in delivering voice over Internet protocol (VoIP) applications for cable service providers, enterprises, government organizations and others.
"The building blocks are here today to remove the obstacles created by fragmented network domains, protocols and devices," said Harald Braun, president, Siemens Networks Division, Siemens Communications Inc. "IMS is another significant step in the Siemens LifeWorks vision to provide end-to-end service delivery platforms for the next generation of services that will help people get more enjoyment out of life and work."
Skype on the Calypso phone? Uh...yeah. The Calypso phone runs Win CE. Skype doesn't run on Win CE: http://support.skype.com/index.php?_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiondetails&_i=202
More BS for people that don't know any better.
If something seems to good to be true it probably isn't true.
Mr "just tried wifi this year" you would happen to be the paragon of "the informed"? The article suggests that UMA might have just a short window unless it changes to accommodate IP multimedia subsystem and SIP? You really think it won't develop?
And what makes you so sure that during that period a technology (ASNAP) that was already made obsolete by UMA would suddenly leapfrog back into viability again?
You're dreamin pal. In three years I'll be very surprised if there's anymore left of CLYW than investors with losses and a few folks doing time...
Maybe you care to explain, if CLYW is such a likely choice why so many of the large European operators and equipment manufacturers are using the UMA based solution originally developed by Kineto wireless and which was integrated into the standardized 3GPP?
Why would companies choose a solution that was non-standard didn't go through interoperability testing, and which requires the use of substantially more hardware in order to accomplish the same task?
Just wondering...
UMA Continues to be Convergence Method of Choice; another nail in the CLYW Coffin:
You'll notice at the bottom a list of the companies that were evaluated in the preparation of this report. If CLYW is such an important player and their "patents" so critical, why is there no mention whatsoever? Unstrung is not known for shabby research or reporting and is certainly no "Pay for Praise" outfit that awards companies that don't merit their coverage.
~Stitch
Please see below:
Dear Unstrung Reader,
Mobile operators looking to deploy Unlicensed Mobile Access (UMA) to kick-start fixed/mobile convergence must quickly integrate it with other, more disruptive, IP-based services to make the gamble pay off, according to a new report from the subscription research service Unstrung Insider ( www.unstrung.com/insider ).
The report, entitled Wireless VOIP & UMA: Friends or Foes?, provides an assessment of the forces that are driving UMA adoption, combined with analysis of UMA technology, standards, equipment provider initiatives, and operator deployment scenarios. The focus is on how UMA can exploit a narrow window of opportunity (around three years) before SIP-WiFi and IMS solutions are standardized, mature, and ready for the mass market.
"UMA appeals to operators because it's standardized, it works, and it preserves the traditional call model," says Unstrung Insider analyst Gabriel Brown. "But to develop services with truly mass-market appeal, UMA must integrate with more disruptive IP-based mechanisms, such as SIP (Session Initiation Protocol), IMS (IP Multimedia Subsystem) and wireline VOIP."
Potential integration scenarios could include a service that uses UMA for seamless in-call mobile handover in combination with fixed-line communications services to the home that use SIP-based call control, with each service integrated in the service provider's back office to provide common features such as a single bill, cross-platform network presence, and shared address books.
Among the report's key findings:
* UMA is being used a marketing tool to show investors that M&A between wireline and wireless players, partially justified as "positioning for convergence," can produce integrated services relatively rapidly.
* UMA is not just about low-cost access; it also has a role in creating new types of converged services, including integration with SIP-based applications or the delivery of high-speed multimedia services to handheld devices in the home.
* Home gateways are a thorny issue for telcos. To gain the control they want over subscribers, they will likely have to ship and support subsidized CPE and build this into the service price over a long contract.
* Handset choice is the primary challenge to UMA. A large selection would help operators overcome their concerns about the impact of UMA on their business models.
* On the infrastructure side, Motorola and Alcatel appear most committed to UMA. Both vendors can use it as a small but effective component of their strategies to expand their presence in the mobile core (which is relatively less than their peers) and can link it to other convergence initiatives in which they are involved.
Service providers covered in this report: BT Group plc (NYSE: BT; London: BTA); Cingular Wireless LLC (a joint venture of BellSouth Corp. [NYSE: BLS] and AT&T Inc. [NYSE: T]); KT Corp. (NYSE: KTC); Orange SA (a subsidiary of France Telecom SA [NYSE/Paris: FTE]); Saunalahti Group Oyj (Helsinki: SAG1V); SunCom Wireless Inc. (NYSE: TPC); Telecom Italia SpA (NYSE: TI); TeliaSonera AB (Pink Sheets: TLSNF; Stockholm: TLSN); and T-Mobile USA Inc. (a subsidiary of Deutsche Telekom AG [NYSE: DT; Germany: DTE]).
Equipment providers in this report: Alcatel (NYSE: ALA; Paris: CGE); Azaire Networks Inc.; Cisco Systems Inc. (Nasdaq: CSCO); Ericsson AB (Nasdaq: ERICY: Stockholm: ERIC); Motorola Inc. (NYSE: MOT); Netrake Corp.; Nokia Corp. (NYSE: NOK; Helsinki: NOK1V); and Reef Point Systems Inc.
Wireless VOIP & UMA: Friends or Foes? is available as part of an annual subscription (12 monthly issues) to Unstrung Insider, priced at $1,350. Individual reports are available for $900. To subscribe, please visit: www.unstrung.com/insider.
For additional information, to request a free executive summary of the report, or for details of multi-user licensing options, please contact:
Jeff Claudino
Director of Sales
Insider Research Services
619-229-9940
claudino@lightreading.com
Thanks for your attention.
Sincerely,
Dan Jones, Site Editor, Unstrung
Gabriel Brown, Chief Analyst, Unstrung Insider
Roaming is happening, and it IS between Wi-Fi and Cellular (there are a lot of reasons why Wi-Max/Cellular Roaming isn't as feasible but here's something that should be of interest:
this follows on the tail of the Qualcomm announcement
Unlicensed Mobile Access (UMA) allows a mobile handset, typically GSM and WiFi, to make calls. Motorola is now moving to making calls over a 3GPP-compliant UMA system using WiFi and Nokia is testing Cell/WiFi Calls. BT is already holding trials of its version of UMA, which uses Bluetooth to connect to the fixed line in the home and GSM outside. WiFi and GSM may be the main UMA technology but a combination of UltraWideband and WiMAX could come later.
Soon your phone may be able to switch smoothly from wireless networks outside to the broadband network inside your home. A number of companies are going after the potentially lucrative market of ``fixed-mobile'' convergence. Players include Kineto, Stoke, Newstep Networks, BridgePort Networks and Netmotion Wireless.
~stitch
I've asked this question a few times myself, and been soundly and roundly assaulted by members of this board for pointing out on a number of occassions reasons why those with large positions and counting on a Calypso revolution should be advised to exercise caution.
Over the last year there have been accelerating developments in the seamless mobility space with defined standards such as UMA being established. Broad support by for UMA by large companies including Nokia, Motorola, Ericsson, Cisco and others should at a minimum serve as a warning that the intellectual property that has been so consistently lauded as CLYW's salvation, has, as Mr. Allard put it, "no bite".
For my part, I have endured personal assaults, been accused of being an imposter for some other member of this board, and recently even had a portion of my livelihood threatened all for posting factual information as well as my personal interpretation of same.
At this point what I say or don't say shouldn't matter at all. The facts are the facts and the numbers are....
~stitch
Want a clue about the phones that Comcast will be using:
Take a look at the brands represented in the Sprint/Nextel Decks.
Several of those manufacturers have already announced (and are even selling) hybrid handsets that include WiFi radios.
Stitch
I just don't understand why all the big handset manufacturers keep doing it...
http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1382
(choosing UMA that is) I mean if ASNAP is really better...
The funny thing is that you guys don't get it.
If ASNAP ever works at all, it won't matter. The technology has already been made obsolete. Why in the world would any carrier want to spend the money to install an entire network's worth of so called "ASNAP COMPLIANT" access points and force the user into some off-brand "ASNAP COMPLIANT" handset when they can install a single device at the core of their network and with it any handset that incorporates a WiFi radio can seamlessly roam inside and out, onto WiFi from cellular and back to cellular from WiFi?
Most of the major handset manufacturers are starting to incorporate WiFi into their upper end models and some of the manufacturers have already installed UMA on their own networks to test it. Guess what...people are already doing seamless hand-offs.
But as I predicted, you all have reasons why I am not credible, seem to think that CLYW's own press releases should be considered reference material, and have an interesting hypocracy going about analysts; in that the ones that I spoke with are "high brow", won't talk about anything they don't know everything about and that analysts in general can't be trusted or taken seriously, however, when those analysts are from Frost and Sullivan you suddnenly think they walk on water.
In any case, the facts are the facts and whether someone likes what I have to say or not doesn't change the reality. The thing is, I have nothing to gain by posting, other than the knowledge that I make it a little tougher for disingenuous people to take advatage of others.
Analysts Don't Know Calypso
I found this fascinating. I just returned from the Mobile Business Expo in Chicago [http://mobilebusinessexpo.com] which was well attended by high level IT people and at which a number of highly regarded analysts spoke. I was particularly interested in the Convergence Sessions, one covered here: [http://www.mobile-weblog.com/50226711/bloggers_life_mobile_business_expo_day_05.php] where analyst Michael Finneran [https://secure.mobilebusinessexpo.com/catalog/speakers/speaker.jsp?key=1780&ts=1128933584999 ] discussed WLAN/Cellular Convergence [http://secure.mobilebusinessexpo.com/catalog/sessionDetail.do?SESSION_ID=1361]. After his session I asked him about Calypso and if he felt they had the potential to have a significant role in this particular type of convergence. he said he had never heard of Calypso. I asked him if he was familiar with the ASNAP Patent or Robert Leon he said that he'd never heard of the ASNAP Patent but that the name Robert Leon was vaguely familiar
At the final session I again inquired about Calypso asking analysts Craig Mathias and Bob Egan about the ASNAP Patent and Calypso. Guess what; neither of them knew a thing about it, never heard of the company, hadn't seen the patent, and said that from what I described it sounded like a very impractical means of converging WLAN and Cellular anyway since there are so many end points that would require equipment at the edge when the IP routing is really done at the core of the network anyway.
Info on these analysts can be found in this post: [http://www.mobile-weblog.com/50226711/future_mobile_predictions_from_mobile_business_expo_2005.php].
I know I will probably get all sorts of hate mail from the usual suspects and be called all kinds of names by those that don't like it when I post with factual information, but hey...I asked, they answered, I thought that those of you that have an open mind and want the truth would like to know this.
Please keep in mind; this was a conference focused on EXACTLY the kind of thing that Calypso is supposedly doing. Oracle was there, so was Sprint, Blackberry, Ericsson, Siemens, Nortel, 3M, Trapeze, Orative, Blusocket and tons more...if Calypso has a product and a marketing plan why would they not be at an event that should have been a showcase for their technology? I can't think of one reason why they wouldn't be at such a show UNLESS they simply don't have what they claim they have.
By the way, the other thing I learned at the show was that UMA by Kineto already works, and the only thing preventing it from widespread deployment are the operators that are trying to keep as much of the high margin voice minutes on their networks as possible right up until the last possible second.
So, go ahead. Shoot the messenger. It doesn't change the message.
-stitch
uhhh...no, it's not. That is Cisco's premier brand for wireless products. Particularly with their partnerships with Motorola and Kineto and Nokia, I don't think Cisco is about to put ASNAP in any Aironet product don't confuse a reseller of Cisco products like Serinova with a division of Cisco. That's like saying because I can load a mac os on a dell box that Dell is testing mac os for future deployment.
P2kantfreakingspellandis perpetuating a lie (have a nice talk with mr. a? ~ yeah,I know about that too)...so you want to attack me over something I didn't say? be my guest. I'm wondering how a guy that has written by your own words over 100,000 lines of code could have only just tried a wifi hotspot in Q-3 2005 when they've been around since 1999 for very early adopters. Most guys I know that code get everything early so what gives?
Besides that, I never said anything about code erasing or not, what I said was that you don't know anything about programming phones and I stand by that statement.
Moreover, you either know so little about CLYW and are so drunk on the kool aid that this company serves or you are such a dishonest and disengenuous cretin that it's no wonder you hate someone like me that isn't invested in this stock and can tell people the truth.
So go ahead, call me a fraud, call me a liar, call me anything you like. What you say, coupled with the fact that even with spell check on just about every program you could ever want to use you spell worse than my dyslexic ex wife on her worst day,and you come up well short of looking like a) a person with an IQ much higher than room temperature and b) you are obviously lying through your teeth in each and every thing you say on here to attempt to better your position in a company that at a minimum is in serious trouble and could be engaged in acts that should at least merit a cursory look by the SEC.
To tell the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if you turn out to be one of the folks employed by CLYW directly. Time will tell.
What is certain is that unlike you, I make my posts with full disclosure and beyond that have heavily trafficked blogs were any number of people could point out my erroneous statements at any time. The truth is that I don't mind making mistakes because it gives me the chance to learn something new. I have no problem admitting when I am in error. Maybe you should take a page or two from my playbook. Here are two suggestions: tell the truth. Even when you don't feel like it or when it won't directly benefit you. People recognize liars and...well... you surely know that game judging from your antics here... and two, learn to admit it when you are wrong.
Face it, you've bet on a dog that can't hunt. ASNAP still isn't in a single phone, big companies have found many ways around the patent, the CTO is gone, the only companies that your beloved CLYW seem to do business with are ones in which they have an interest (hardly open market sales), their CFO and CEO are literally racing each other out the door and covering their tracks with language that looks a lot like a defense strategy and the latest PR issued by the company is an out and out lie.
I don't know. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe CLYW is the greatest thing since sliced bread and you and ASNAP are gonna be billionares! Maybe you'll buy the companies I work for just so you can fire me and put me on the street. Maybe. But I am not going to let my fear of that possibility hold me back. Nope.
I do wish you the best of luck though. Personally,I think you've got potential as an author (fiction of course), or maybe as an expert witness for class action lawsuits. I don't know why that one comes to mind...somehow it just...kinda...suits you.
Aloha,
-stitch
Michael,
Acutally, hacking the ACL of a given WiFi network is fairly well child's play...sniff, spoof, appropriate a DCHP addy and you're in...course, you're also breaking a few laws in the process. Whats more, anyone on this board that things that a) the WLAN and WWAN connections have the same speed are simply confused. It's pretty rare that you'd even see full T-1 speeds at a coffee shop or airport and I know cause I check them all the time...and that would be with perfect connecitivity and no one else on the network.
I could go on and on about the ways in which the performance of this device has been misrepresented but why bother when I can post this:
Cell phone with WiFi Roaming
By samc on Cell and Wi-Fi Roaming
Gizmodo, Telecoms Korea and PhoneScoop have news on LG's WiFi phone, the LG-CL400.
It's the first dual-mode phone offering WiFi and GSM/GPRS networks with US-based Kineto Wireless. With their Unlicensed Mobile Access (UMA) technology, a caller is supposed to be able to roam from a WiFi hotspot to cellular coverage seamlessly.
A press photo released by LG showed the phone with a Cingular logo on the outer display. The clamshell phone features a camera with flash, MP3 player, and dual color displays. No word on availablity.
A real company with real equipment that meets the 3GPP Standard.
I guess the departure of their fearless leader, the fact that SLeipner is another made up entity and the loss of their CFO are still not enough to convince the faithful...either that or they're simply desperately trying to unload their shares...
P2K. I give your post an A+. Best new fictional account of a successful demo. Way to go.
As for your contention that multiple passwords would protect code if a phone was stolen, you know about as much about programming phones as you do about WiFi which is obviously NOT VERY MUCH.
I honestly don't know what makes you believe any of what you write, or even if you actually believe it at all, but are really simply attempting to manipulate share price with your doctrine of lies...
In any case, you report completely contrary experiences compared with someone not only known by the industy but also someone who has vast experience himself.
Major Announcement from Qualcomm:
http://www.wireless-weblog.com/50226711/qualcomm_adds_wlan_connectivity_to_mobile_handsets.php
A little history:
the term "terminal" as it relates to a computer relates to the fact that prior to powerful efficient PCs any kind of local i.e. desktop machine was merely a node or dumb-box with a keyboard or other input device and a monitor. Hence the term terminal or x-terminal or dumb-terminal. No Mainframe, no processing.
The term also relates to a Bloomberg that displays stock information. It has nothing whatsoever to do with being at or away from work these days. unless you work as an aircraft controller, at DARPA or the NSA you don't have a terminal , you have a PC.
I have to say, the endless effort by those on this board to find meaning or secret relevance in anything people say is nearly mind boggling.
I recall not long ago that because I use semi-colons in my sentence construction I was accused of being someone named beanito or some such. This in spite of the fact that my very first post to the board I divulged my identity. That's something verging on delusional; to asses me as someone that has been perpetrating a multi-year hoax over the use of a semi-colon.
You have to look at that and think it's funny. Then someone calls their Bloomberg a terminal (which it is) and the next thing you know he works in a boiler room and suffers bologna sandwiches? Now that is logic-based deductive reasoning if I ever saw any!
Meanwhile, half this board hangs on the words of a guy who can't spell his way out of a third grade spelling bee and by his own admission has just had his first life-changing experience with wi-fi not a month ago, but posts as if he's an expert on the technology.
Let me ask you all a question; are you on this board for moral support? To have sunshine and kisses sent your way because you were so prescient as to get this stock at a buck a share (I pity you if you bought at $6). OR are you here to understand the situation, be better informed and buy or sell the shares based upon learning something that in one concrete way or another helps you reduce your risk and increase your reward?
I think you would all be well served to simply pay attention. Sure there are people here with an agenda, however those with the most obvious agenda are the folks with many shares. After all, they have the most to gain from a dramatic increase in price and the most to lose if it takes a dive.
Getting up in arms by someone saying something contrarian or even asking a tough question is plain silly and simply immature. The point of discussion is not a love in, it's to elucidate all the issues and support informed decisions. If every time anyone makes a statement or posts factual information that appears contrary to CLYW's interests, that can either be something you factor into the share price and your risk/reward ratio or not, but what good does it do to attack the person making the post?
I don't need a group of people patting themselves (and me) on the back to make me feel secure in my stock buying and selling decisions, if you do I suggest you get out of the market since clearly you don't have the wherewithal or the emotional strength to engage in such a volatile financial endeavor.
It strikes me as ludicrous that people respond with such juvenile behavior as calling someone that posts something that doesn't seem positive a "basher"; it almost sounds like a bunch of kids on a playground if you step back and think about it.
Beyond this, people on this board seem to have forgotten that this is as much about financial opportunity as technology.
I may not believe in CLYW at all and still trade the stock if I see that I could profit. I have not done so and have no intention of so doing, but I certainly could if I so chose. As could anyone else with the resources.
I'd ask that each of us try to remember these simple facts as we post. Like or not what people say, each of us has just as valid a right as any other on the board to state an opinion. The efforts some make to stifle the free flow of ideas and to label people unflatteringly while at the same time trumpeting the virtues of a company that - let's face it - have not exactly been stellar to date are really acting in a hypocritical fashion and it should be obvious have an agenda all their own.
You put up posts like this? while accusing me of distorting facts? Let me tell you something; it's you who propagates the lies. I report from what exits in referenced third party materials. Where my opinion is present I state as much. YOU criss-cross the line between opinion and fact so often that what you create and state is simply a fantasy.
That's fine. Enjoy your fantasy world, just don't expect that everyone else will join you in it. Also, what gives you the right to ask me to leave this board? It's a public forum designed for conversation, discussion and dissenting viewpoints. I don't agree any longer that CLYW is going to lead this revolution. I state as much. When I post I frequently site factual information that supports my view point. If you can't handle this, and thus have to resort to personal attacks and the levying of threats, well...I think that people can see the obvious truth of such juvenile behavior.
Once again I state; if you've got some evidence about any of the things you've stated, and in particular about me, present them here for the board to see.
-stitch
P2K ~ Objective? That's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. Maybe you should research my writings a bit more. At one time I thought CLYW was going to be a category killer, but now I see things like this:
Kineto, Nokia Converge on Dual-Mode
Kineto said last week that it is working with Nokia on Unlicensed Mobile Access (UMA) technology.
UMA's purpose is to make hand-off from a cellular to Wi-Fi-based IP network work seamlessly when you've got a dual-mode handset. It is a technology Kineto has long pushed with partners, and it recently became part of the 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) cellular specifications.
The goal of UMA is to let consumers roam between their cellular networks and the wireless LANs in their homes and offices with phones and smartphones that support both cellular and Wi-Fi wireless technologies.
The two companies say they're performing UMA trials with major operators now using Kineto's UMA controller in Nokia equipment. It is not clear whether or not Nokia's current lineup of smartphones that support both cellular and Wi-Fi communications—such as the 9500 communicator—can be turned into seamlessly switching dual-mode handsets.
From a conversation we had with Nokia executives back at the CTIA Wireless trade show in New Orleans last spring, we suspect this capability won't necessarily be backwards compatible. That means consumers may have to wait for the cell phone giant’s next generation of Wi-Fi/cellular handsets.
Kineto is also working with Motorola.
More on UMA
Last week, Frost & Sullivan announced that the voice over wireless LAN (VoWLAN) market is poised for growth starting this year. In Europe alone, the market is projected to jump from 6.6 million Euros in 2004 to 1.99 billion Euros by 2010.
The research firm said a driver of this is the 14 member companies— Alcatel, AT&T, BT, Cingular, Ericsson, Motorola, Nokia, Nortel Networks, O2, Rogers Wireless, Siemens, Sony Ericsson, and T-Mobile USA— that published the UMA specification a little less than a year ago.
For end-users, the UMA experience should be seamless because it leverages the same mechanisms used in today's cellular networks. But instead of calls be handed from base station to base station, as when you are driving on a highway, they are handed off between an outdoor network and a wireless LAN.
A report from Alexander Resources says that the mobile operators are starting to feel the heat from VoWLAN and will probably reduce cellular service prices. Alexander says the move to new 3G (like EV-DO and UMTS) can't happen fast enough for the carriers, who could take a hit if deployments take too long.
Carriers could conceivably benefit from this system, however. As operators may well deliver the same services—voice, data, SMS, downloads, etc. —over another type of network, Wi-Fi, in parallel with their traditional cellular networks.
To compete with VoIP services, operators might offer limited or unlimited WLAN access for a fixed rate of anywhere from $5 to $20 a month on top of their usual mobile access fees.
and it has caused me to realize that while the company is mucking about with shady deals in third world countries Nokia and Motorola and Cisco and the other 3GPP members are getting busy on convergence
-Stitch
PS: you've supplied more conjecture without facts.
by his own admission P2K has had "an experience" with WiFi at a Borders Books I believe it was?
A single experience, what - five years - no more like six years - since the first consumer WiFi products were available, and yet, with all that experience, he makes statements about roaming agreements, and carrier backhaul and "exponential reduction" in bandwidth.
I'm sorry, but in my humble opinion, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Not to mention that in addition to not having enough basic factual information about traffic engineering on cellular vs IP networks, you're also forgetting that most WiFi endpoints (with the exception of T-Mobile) aren't even carrier owned.
You're talking about revenue shares with every mom and pop coffee shop and all the carriers, the local loop providers, and the list goes on and on...
I can't imagine how you can write that stuff with a straight face. Do you really think what you are saying makes sense?
If so, I would genuinely like to see the references to back up your statements.
In addition, I noticed that you conveniently ignored my direct challenge to you to factually prove that I am another person that has been posting here for a long time. You made the statement, not even an insinuation but a statement, and then when I challenge you to support your statement with evidence you pretend like you didn't even make the remark.
Plaintiff is a legal term. In this country, the courts are supposed to try cases of fact, not opinion, yet every time I ask you for fact, you disregard the post.
-stitch
Actually, that sounds like UMA which has already been deployed by BT first using a bluetooth basestation in the home now having been upgraded to WiFi. Since there are already UMA phones in production and the UMA standard has been ratified by the 3GPP I seriously doubt that InStat even knows about Calypso. I read their reports recently and while there was plenty of discussion on hybrid handsets that utilized WiFi and GSM in tandem as well as mention of UMA, there was not one word on Calypso.
One thing to keep in mind is that any seamless switching solution that sits at the edges of the network will be by default much more expensive to deploy and much harder to maintain.
Why? If you're talking about end-points, that means the base station is handling the handoff from the cellular tower to the IP network whereas if a controller at the network core does this, so long as the handset registers on the cellular network AND the basestation that information can be passed to the core where the networks converge; this supports the fastest handoff.
Ask a carrier which they'd rather support, centrally managed devices that handle registration, authentication and billing or customer premesis equipment that has to be installed, and which will cost a fortune to support and which is also constantly vulnerable to consumers with screwdrivers and a few "ideas".
-stitch
Most of my posts are on the blogs listed as references for this forum. I occassionally post at CLYW and nlightn puts some of my posts up on this board.
otherwise, technorati my name or "stitch" and mobile and you'll find them
Serious, I'm not a premium member so if nlightn or you wish to send me your email address I can provide more information.
I would say though that UMA isn't likely to hurt WiMax and may help in some cases where companies don't have spectrum and want to increase their footprint. They could do this with a WiMax/UMA solution.
FYI, that would not work with ASNAP first, becuase the asnap protocol depends upon the routing at the access point level UMA routes at the network core, and second because I don't believe an asnap endpoint will effectively be able to handle more than a few concurrent calls (if it works at all). A WiMax endpoint in a densely populated area could be handling a thousand concurrent calls and that requires the kind of processing that is not found at hotspots in coffee shops.
If you haven't been reading the CLYW board for a while prepare yourself for an experience. I posted factual information about things that I knew to be true that would have bearing on the success of CLYW. I even went so far as to divulge my identity to the board.
In spite of that, they call me a "basher" whatever that is, and they insist that I'm really an alias for someone else and that I'm paid by some company to try and hurt share price! Seriously. Those guys have been drinking some strange kool-aid.
Good Luck.
Stitch
Poe,
You are missing my point. Rvtec is NOT doing the production themselves. This means that the actual purchase, which has been charaterized as the purchase of a manufacturer is factually inaccurate and could be considered to be a misreprestation of material fact.
Let me put it to you this way;
If I went to Rvtec and stepped into their facility would I see people and machines hard at work producing the supposed millions of Calypso phones?
No. Why? Because RVtec doesn't ACTUALLY DO THE MANUFACTURING!
These means they are NOT a manufacturer. I don't care if RVtec's owner's brother runs the facility that does the manufacturing, it still adds the same layer of abstraction and cost that doing your own manufacturing eliminates.
In any case, this seems to be ANOTHER example of CLYW and people here that have a vested interest in the share price misrepresenting facts in order to elicit more excitement about the company and its prospects.
-stitch
That's a far cry from actually being the manufacturer. It ads an entire layer of abstraction (and a layer of cost) to the manufacturing process and at the same time it removes controls in prduction that include costs, timing, design and the protection of proprietary information, technology and know how.
What it means is that they can introduce CLYW to a manufacturer that probably kicks Rvtec back some fee for making the introduction and it is NOT NOT NOT the same thing as RVtec actually having full scale production lines and the people to run them as has been repetitively suggested by this board.
It's simple, either Rvtec does production manufacturing or they do not and by their own website description of their services, they do not.
-stitch
Man-o-man...people DO NOT READ THE WEBSITES DO THEY?
Everyone has been going on and on about RVtec being capable to manufacture these phones...4,000,000,000 well how about reading every page on the RVtec site like I did?
One of their "services" is helping you source a manufacturer capable of production of a device that they assist you in developing. RVtec is a design house. Maybe they help fabricate designs for the plastic and they might help engineer small circuit boards to connect the various chipsets they're buying from TI or Intel, but they don't produce phones. Didn't anyone notice this?
So if it is such a brilliant investment to get an equity interest in an engineering company to help with designs, why the excitement about manufacturing capabilities that are non-existant? RVtec says it on their own website.
I think that with the departure of R. Leon, Calypso suddenly couldn't finish development of the products. They went to RVtec to get this help. RVtec isn't capable to finish the ASNAP design and that's why they suddenly decided to become a handset producer.
See for yourself. The links and copy from the page are all below. How do the pumpers explain this? Just wondering.
Stitch
http://www.rvtec.com/services/index.jsp?contentid=54
Turnkey Design
ODM Solutions
Consulting Services
ODM Solutions
Working in conjunction with qualified Electronic Manufacturing Services (EMS) companies, the Company also provides complete ODM solutions to customers who do not want to handle the production process themselves and would prefer to have finished or semi-finished units manufactured and delivered to them. Our EMS partners offer services that include:
* process management and a complete quality assurance program
* plastics and PCB tooling
* material procurement
* pre-production preparation and trial runs
* commercial production
The degree of involvement by RV Tec and its EMS partner in the design and production process will vary depending on individual customer's situation.
This dialog between wiredog and Michael Allard is painful. Allard is not only correct, with each attempt to prove himself right by describing the details of installing a set-top box (which appears to be his job), Wiredog is proving that he knows very little of the moving pieces of the entire process of connecting or termination of on net and off-net calls.
Beyond this, Mr. Allard is exceptionally accomplished and familiar in ways that few of here could begin to imagine with all the components of these networks and this technology.
Only his polite demeanor and self confidence have prevented him from embarrassing this other person in ways that were it I, would be so humbling and humiliating that I would probably leave the board.
Wiredog, please, for your sake, just stop. Describing in minutia the process of plugging things into a set top box that might channelize the various signals or IP traffic until it reaches the edge of Comcast's core network is irrelevant. Unless the call is going ONLY to another Comcast customer, and thus can stay channelized it HAS to go either to twisted pair or to the Internet. In the second case, if there is no QOS the call quality would be very poor.
I asked you earlier about this and you gave the same erroneous answer. Your three day classes clearly covered only how to set up Ms. Jones. it didn't cover network engineering or peering and you obviously haven't graduated to that level so do us all a favor and stick with what you know.
wiredog
I said:
if the network is completely private to Comcast does that mean that only calls On-Net (that is between Comcast customers) or between Comcast customers and POTS termination work?
If this is true that would seriously limit the utility of the service, wouldn't it? I mean part of the appeal of VoIP is the abiliity to place calls for free to the widest possible audience of recipients.
How many customers are using Comcast's service? Is there a client for non-Comcast customers? If so, how do they connect to Comcast's "private network".
Are you sure that Comcast isn't just using an MPLS VPN?
to which you replied:
No it simply means that it is their network and that no data will travel on it..its a voice network owned by Comcast.
Not sure why this is so dificult.
Okay...so does this mean that using Comcast VoIP a Comcast customer can place a call to ANY Customer on the via VoIP, either terminating into the POTS network or to another Comcast Customer (on their private voice network) or to a non-comcast customer but one online who is capable of receiving a VoIP call?
Becase your answer implies that every person called by a comcast customer recieves the call via ComCast's private network. I find this unlikely. Comcast does not provide service to everyone.
THis means that at some point Comcast has to drop that traffic off onto either POTS or to another private network with a peering agreement or to the Internet.
In any case, my question made perfect sense however I think your imperfect understanding and desire to insult me caused you to make another mistake similar to those that embarrassed you with Michael.
Are you even familiar with the capabilities of MPLS?
-Stitch
Wiredog - question -
if the network is completely private to Comcast does that mean that only calls On-Net (that is between Comcast customers) or between Comcast customers and POTS termination work?
If this is true that would seriously limit the utility of the service, wouldn't it? I mean part of the appeal of VoIP is the abiliity to place calls for free to the widest possible audience of recipients.
How many customers are using Comcast's service? Is there a client for non-Comcast customers? If so, how do they connect to Comcast's "private network".
Are you sure that Comcast isn't just using an MPLS VPN?
Seriously.
Well, seeing as how he's insulted, attacked and belittled me all for simply stating facts, I figure that turnabout is fair play. Of course if it becomes apparent that it's a truly lopsided affair I shall refrain from making an abject mockery of him
Doggiestyle...I said nothing about Comcast. I simply volunteered to explain QOS since people were discussing it and seemed somewhat unclear, however I also deferred to your vast knowledge of every protocol ever invented...and of course your ego had its way with you. Congratulations. Just like pavlov's...
P2K,
You should stick to pretending to be a trader or an attorney; you have clearly demonstrated that A) you know NOTHING about network engineering in general or WiMAX in particular, and B) that you don't have a clue about Vonage or VoIP either.
In fact, I don't have to speculate and neither would you (I hope all the assumptions you developed didn't take you a long time because they were a complete waste of energy) if you simply read the technology news (which I would think you'd be doing if you're long in a stock like CLYW that has the potential to be influenced by - or even influence - other technologies, in particular, VoIP, WiFi, WiMAX, GSM, CDMA, etc.).
In any case, it isn't an infrastructure issue at all as far as Vonage is concerned. Low infrastructure costs are the significant advantage VoIP operators have over other technologies. In the TowerStream deal I mentioned, Vonage is partnering with TowerStream and it is the latter company that is handling the WiMAX end of the transaction.
Nope it isn't infrastructure at all. It's marketing; Vonage was the largest online marketer [http://www.vonage-forum.com/printout2076.html] spending over $22.68 Million in June alone.
Estimates suggest that that this is over $300 per acquired customer. Vonage is attempting to secure a massive first mover advantage in the VoIP pure play space and to do this more than anything else, they need subscribers. At the rate of $22 mil a month, plus overhead burn rate, plus radio, print and TV, $600 mil isn't even that much money.
Of course the other thing you missed is that that WiMAX is more efficiently used as backhaul for aggregated traffic, which is also a proposed use of this technology for 3G cellular networks. And by the way, it does scale and not like your numbers there (which have no basis in any reality I've seen - please cite your reference) which seem to be invented.
To respond to your ASNAP insertion attempt...uh...if the system is not hybrid then you're not even talking about the same thing...unless CLYW plans to sue every company that has ever had a transmitter and a receiver transact dataflow over a fixed or variable frequency of some sort...
On the other hand, let’s just say for fun that it IS a hybrid phone, using BOTH cellular and WiFi/WiMAX...
How about the real standard? You know, the one approved by the 3GPP? The one that is being embraced by Motorola, and Cisco and now even Nokia? [http://www.mobile-weblog.com/50226711/nokia_commits_to_uma_solution_based_on_kineto_wireless_product....
In case you forgot...it's called UMA. Check it out at http://kinetowireless.com
Here's a list of the VC's that put money into Kineto the developers of UMA:
3i
Mitsui & Co. Mitsui & Co. Venture Partners
Oak Investment Partners
SeaPoint Ventures
Storm Ventures
Sutter Hill Ventures
Venrock Associates
Of course you're probably right. These guys have no clue about investing in communications technologies.
By the way, for someone critical of the length of my posts, you last novel was fairly uh...lengthy itself.
-Stitch
My apologies for those of you that found this post to be too lengthy, factual, incoherent, dishonest, or self serving.
Actually, NOS, even some of the carriers are concerned about VoIP representing a problem as a probably competitor.
You say that you can't use VoIP on the golf course, but you certainly could if you had a PDA or WiMAX enabled smartphone and you were within a WiMax coverage area. In fact, if you read this post: http://www.wireless-weblog.com/50226711/towerstream_vonage_duo_pack_onetwo_punch_for_telcos.php which I put up some time ago with the announcement of the Vonage/TowerStream deal, this is not a possibility but a very likely scenario.
Also, keep in mind that wireless carriers have gained tremendous revenue in recent years due to the use of cell phones within the home. Many, many people use a cellular phone for ALL their long distance calls. In fact, it was the constant downward price pressure exerted by the cellular companies that caused many wire-line carriers to adopt all you can eat pricing on long distance for domestic calls.
There are a number of companies, Intel among them and with Aloha networks a huge spectrum owner that have the ability to deploy massive WiMax type networks that could easily provide coverage that could be used for VoIP calling that for all intents and purposes would feel as much like cellular does to the user as VoIP in the home or office feel like wire-line connectivity there does.
Mike was exactly right - he was just stating a fact.
-Stitch.
ps: for those of you that found this post too long, dishonest, boring, or incoherent; my apologies.