“The table includes trials that were open for patient enrolment as of 15 April 2020.”

Multikine wasn’t enrolling new patients hence why it isn’t in that list :)

Fair point.

Hopefully this stock moves randomly soon. Bios tend to move when everyone has given up hope. We seem about at that point now haha

Even if people get the vaccine many will still contract covid every year and will need good therapeutics.

A Different View on LEAPS/Covid

Everyone here seems pretty pessimistic about the LEAPS treatment results that were released today. But I think differently than most of you about this. Yes they did see how effective it was as a vaccine, who cares. BUT they also looked at it as a therapeutic treatment.

For those of you who don't know what that is, here is the defintion:
Therapeutic treatment is designed to treat an illness or to improve a person's health, rather than to prevent an illness.

They injected mice with LETHAL doses of COVID and in the treatment group, 40% survived. That's pretty huge imo. For two reasons.
1. There isn't a current therapeutic treatment that works well in helping people recover from COVID who already have it. Remdesivir was supposedly one of the big ones, which has since shown it doesn't really help patients recover from COVID.

2. They gave these mice LETHAL doses. And it saved 40% of them. No current treatment offers anything like that. On top of that I wonder how effective it is treating/improving COVID symptoms in more minor cases or at the beginning of the disease?

Bonus 3rd reason: COVID will always need a viable treatment option for patients going forward for years and years to come. Hospitals will want options to give to patients to help them get out of the hospitals quickly. There is still time and need for more therapeutic medicines. This is by no means a nothing burger.

TLDR: There is a lot of potential here for treating patients already infected with COVID. If they can get some more funding this could be accelerated quickly.

Well said. What a solid post.

Since CVM keeps comparing our trial to Bristol Myers (BMY).

How long did it take them to have their data readout once the study ended? Anyone know?

So today was quadruple witching day. Monday could be a nothingburger. If news doesn't drop pre-market monday then I still have my sights set on October. But at least it's been fun to watch CVM today it's been a bore recently. Best of luck longs!

Another 998,200 shares just bought AH!!

That trade is worth over $14 million...

Between the two large trades today that's over $25 million....

Flute,

I've never seen a trade close to that with CVM. I've been saying good news will drop pre-market on a monday if they can do it. I'm not saying it will happen. Maybe this is somehow just a fluke. But I'm very much looking forward to monday now... With that said my sights are still on october. But man if Monday doesn't seem interesting to me now. Time will tell.

Maybe just a short position covering. That would make sense. But regardless I love to see it.

An 824,962 share trade at the end of the day. That's the single largest trade I've ever seen on CVM. That's over $11 million.... Something is up imho

George

All I will say is October is when things start to get VERY interesting for my own personal beliefs.

As for people thinking Geert doesn't have a clue. Get out of here. I have a lot of family that works in the medical field in research and development. That's absurd for people to believe that Geert simply has zero idea. He may not have an exact date. But if he requested a full medical review from the CROs they definitely said something like "okay but that will take us a few more months to finish" something like that. Geert isn't going to tell one investor "hey I told everyone else I don't have a clue when data will happen but to you I'll say it's around x date." That would kill his reputation. He will keep that close to his chest. But I am 95% sure that he knows within a month or two of when they should be receiving data. Anyway this is ALL my OWN personal opinion and I reserve the right to be wrong but that's where I stand. Some people definitely don't agree with me. But that's why we have these discussions on these message boards.

Of course he was given time frames. As a client if you are paying someone to work on a project for you they will give you at least general timelines of when they expect the work to be done. I guarantee he has at least an idea of when they will be done by. But if Geert comes out and says "Data by end of September" for example, you better bet one trading day right before the end of September the shorts get together and make it seem like CVM has failed and everyone believes them because the date is confirmed. He isn't telling because he doesn't want this stock to get pummeled and protect his investors imo. It benefits us retail investors to not have a definite date. Besides I already have a good idea of when data is dropping by.

Also if data is good and they have the full medical review already finished, applying for the NDA should be a little easier as well.

Thank you! Did not realize they were using one of those dumb internet addresses. That really shows something about who they are.

Also from beginning to read the most recent short thesis, which is long and arduous btw, one of their biggest claims is that IL-6/IL-8 promote tumor growth. This is beyond my area of expertise. Does anyone have any thoughts or knowledge on that and how it may be impacted when combined with the entire treatment regimen that is Multikine?

thanks

I mainly want to point out this. There was not an extension on the warrants last week everyone was talking about. Wouldn't that mean that Geert doesn't need the money/dilution at the moment?

And comments like THIS right here are why I believe Cel-Sci is only going to be releasing a complete data analysis instead of Top Line Data. They want to have no room for discussion. Shorts argue over and over and over. A complete data analysis will put all of these stupid little arguments to rest.

I've been digging deep into this 10-Q. I've had to read up on some terms and teach myself a few things. Spent about 3 hours today and I've definitely found some tid bits. Much more than I think most people have noticed. If you look closely there are signs in this report :) I may update later this week if I choose to do so. I'm sure Sushi knows most of what I have seen, but maybe not even he has noticed all of it! I'm tired from reading. I'm feeling........ bullish.

Sting,

It was :) I was in MCRB at a price average of $4.20. Woke up today to see some nice green in my portfolio. MCRB was trading sideways and down almost right up until news today. There wasn't even a hint that news was coming out this morning. Then... BOOM! Exact same thing could happen to CVM. Exact same thing. I've been in a few bio stock winners that have done this. Anyway, a great way to wake up this morning and hoping our CVM does the same!

Very good thought! Biobonic was thinking the same thing in his responses to me:

Me



Biobonic

Fair point. I guess we would have to see what the "capsule" that Cel-Sci is giving patients. Maybe it is off the shelf maybe it is something more specific and in a form the body can absorb. But good catch.

Some small useful tidbits I've found. Some of which have not been discussed:

For the Stat Guys:
Study size and power has been discussed ad naseum. Here are some specifics.

From the Clinical Trial Site (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/record/NCT01265849)
OS will be assessed using Kaplan-Meier life-table and compared using a logrank test and confirmed further with tumor stage location and geographic stratified log rank tests. The unstratified logrank test constitutes the primary analysis.

An Article Titled: "Power Loss of Stratified Log-Rank Test in Homogeneous Samples"
(https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jqre/2010/942184/)

"This shows that the ULRT (Unstratified Log-Rank Test) is asymptotically slightly more powerful than its SLRT (Stratified Log-Rank Test) counterpart.

"It is well known in survival analysis that the (unstratified) log-rank test (ULRT) is the most efficient invariant test under contiguous alternatives in the proportional hazards model"

We are using the Unstratified log-rank test which gives us more statistical power in our final analysis which is a positive. CVM has thought this out and chosen the best one for our P value over time.

Dropouts and Futility:

Going along with that, from the clinical trial site it specifically says "Interim analyses will be performed throughout the study to assess safety, sample size and futility."

Right there, for anyone who questions why dropouts shouldn't be an issue. If they were, this would've been caught when the IDMC has met bi-annually to assess for sample size and futility.

Okay now onto the new discussion on CIZ which I personally think has been overlooked drastically by all of us.


CIZ Combination:

"in Phase 1 and 2 clinical trials. LI(Multikine) was administered prior to SOC and in combination with low non-chemotherapeutic doses of cyclophosphamide, indomethacin, and zinc(CIZ) in studies with LI."

So on the phase 1 and 2 trials they got a 33% survival increase by combining Multikine and a daily dose of Zinc vitamin with LOW NON-CHEMOTHERAPEUTIC DOSES of cyclophosphmide and Indomethacin. They are doing the same in the test arm in this Phase 3 trial as well. I think the CIZ combination is nothing to scoff at.

Leukocyte Interleukin Injection (LI)[Multikine] contains a defined mixture of naturally derived cytokines and chemokines with demonstrated safety and immunomodulatory activity in animals and in man in Phase 1 and 2 clinical trials. LI was administered prior to SOC and in combination with low non-chemotherapeutic doses of cyclophosphamide, indomethacin, and zinc(CIZ) in studies with LI. The results of these studies indicate that the local/regional injection of mixed interleukins (LI) with CIZ prior to SOC can overcome local immunosuppression, break tumor tolerance to tumor antigens and allow for a sustainable and effective anti-tumor immune response.

Wow! This is a combination with Multikine as the secret ingredient to make them all work best together.

So what are these three additional drugs?

Indomethacin: Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug. It can treat pain.

Cyclophosphmide: This is an immunosuppressive drug/chemotherapy. It can treat cancer, including leukemia and lymphomas. (They have lowered the dosage which I presume gives benefits while not suppressing the immune system as much while combining it with Zinc which is next on our list)

Zinc: Zinc is a mineral. It is called an "essential trace element" because very small amounts of zinc are necessary for human health. Since the human body does not store excess zinc, it must be consumed regularly as part of the diet. Zinc is needed for the proper growth and maintenance of the human body. It is found in several systems and biological reactions, and it is needed for immune function, wound healing, blood clotting, thyroid function, and much more.

I have not seen anyone ever comment on this topic on any board. But because of COVID-19 I've seen a lot of articles about why people should be taking Zinc to boost their immune systems. Zinc is now sold out whenever I go to the store.

From the Clinical Trial Site Under the Intervention Details:
Dietary Supplement: Zinc
One capsule daily beginning on day one of treatment with LI until one day before surgery

For the third arm of the study LI(Multikine) is administered without CIZ to determine the contribution of CIZ (Cyclophosphmide, Indomethacin, and Zinc) to the effects of LI(Multikine). This third arm now makes complete sense to me, they want to see if Multikine is MORE effective when combined with those three other drugs. I presume this third arm will probably not perform as well as our main Multikine arm. And for those who already have the thought of "WEll it's the CIZ that's making the difference." That is idiotic thinking. The CIZ would be not much use if not combined with Multikine. It's the Multikine that is making the CIZ more powerful if this works.

Not only that but it's not like they give these patients Multikine once a week for 3 weeks. They give them an intense regimen.
"LI 400IU (2.0mL total daily) 1.0 mL peritumoral, 1.0 mL perilymphatic (aka Multikine) is given 5x weekly for 3 weeks administered in combination with cyclophosphamide indomethacin and zinc (CIZ) as adjuvant therapy prior to SOC

Summary:
Even us diehard longs sometimes get tired out and forget or don't fully understand how complicated and legitimate of a treatment process CVM has come up with for their patients. This isn't some scam. This is a serious combination of well thought out drugs and dosages to give patients. Most of us are not scientists but the more time I spend really trying to understand and read in depth the more I understand that Cel-Sci is not messing around. Whether this ends up working or not is still to be determined. But the team at CVM is dead serious about their treatment regimen and have poured a lot of hard work and thought into this.

The more we understand about this study the better.

Open to thoughts and discussion.

Fair point. I won't argue. Just being very conservative. But I won't ever put a cap on price in terms of how high it can go :)

I don't have a clue. All I will say is these two things.

1. If the data does take 4-6 weeks to come out. That isn't necessarily a bad thing at all. It means that again CVM is being honest with us. That is a very good thing. It also means they could be taking their time in getting this right since they will only have one chance at releasing this data when they do it. Also it gives them time to hear out buyout and partnership deals.

2. Don't forget that CVM hired Robert Watson onto their board. I think this will be where he earns his pay. Look at my area highlighted in bold. Why would CVM hire someone like him? Hmmm :)

"Robert Watson joined Intermedix, Inc. in July 2017 as President of their Preparedness Technology Division. Immediately prior to joining Intermedix, he was the President and Chief Growth Officer of NantHealth, Inc. (Nasdaq: NH) from January 2015 to May 2017. Prior to NantHealth, he was President and CEO of Streamline Health, Inc. (Nasdaq: STRM) from January 2011 to January 2015.

Mr. Watson has over 35 years of experience in the healthcare information technology industry as a CEO, board member and advisor to multiple HCIT companies. He has participated in over 75 acquisitions, raised nearly $750,000,000 in capital, completed three public offerings and successfully sold four companies.

Mr. Watson holds and MBA from the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania and a BA degree from Syracuse University."

I'm back for a single post. I got too sick of the conspiracy theorists on this board spreading fear and misinformation, not just on CVM but Covid (which they have been wrong on many of their claims btw). Sadly this board isn't quite what it used to be.

Anyway here are my thoughts:

298 Announcement:
I see a lot of people worrying now that 298 has officially happened. They are second guessing their positions. They are accusing longs of being shorts. They are letting the bears eat away at their mind. Not mine though. We have been waiting a long time for this. This is exciting! Finally something new! Finally we have a time table for the ending (or just the beginning of something great).

Some say "Why did Geert announce 298?? Now he has given the shorts a chance and time table to manipulate." Yes that may be true. But to me it shows that Geert and Cel-Sci are trying to be as honest and transparent as possible. They aren't hiding anything. That is comforting. Also bullish. Because why announce 298 events if you have news that it's going to go poorly? Why announce 298 events if the bears have information that it will fail? The fact is, it shows that there is no such news. The bears just like the longs have their opinions but no one KNOWS. Do your due diligence, see what makes sense, and place your bets.

Other News Vs. Stock Price Manipulation:
Also, who is to say that these next 4-6 weeks will be negative? We have a variety of other big positive news events that could happen and be released during this time that could cause the stock price to increase.
-Announcement of NIH funding for LEAPS
-Still have more institutional ownership filings (13F Form) due by May 15th
-Aegis Greenshoe
-Financial update on cash and warrants
-Russell Rebalancing
There is still any of this news that can drop any day which reverses this stock price manipulation.

IDMC:
How soon we forget about the positives. We now KNOW FOR A FACT that when the IDMC met this last fall that they had 96% of the data. If the trial was going to fail they would've stopped it for futility. They have done that for many other companies. We KNOW that now. They didn't stop it. That says volumes.

Manipulation, Shorting, and Panic Selling:
We all knew that the bears (and maybe some longs who want cheaper shares) would manipulate this stock once 298 was announced. Now that it is happening some seem to be surprised which is beyond me. They will want to make it seem like Multikine has failed when in fact they know nothing. We have been through bad short attacks before and held and things have been okay on the other side. I expect more of the same. I will hold. I also expect there are some longs who are now faced with imminent news and are scared of a binary event who are selling now that they are faced with reality and a time table. That is their call. But again, I have done my due diligence and am happy with my investment and will hold. This is simply a waiting game.

Foscos Spreadsheets:
If you look at Foscos spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iVkDqatmv_R9kQgKPYy-dLizhwAlaq-LQbD5T1venV4/edit#gid=531436597) which is conservative and realistic. It seems to be right on the money here. If we have about a 20% increase in survival that will be huge but I can understand why the IDMC wouldn't have halted this trial early in the fall aside from us needing 298 events for significance. Nothing seems weird here to me.

CVM Hires a Third Party for Data Analysis:
Why would CVM spend the time, money, and effort to hire a third party to provide a secondary confirmation of data analysis if they thought this trial was going to fail? They wouldn't. They would only do this to have a further defense for promoting positive data. So bears and idiots can't say that their data analysis was biased. CVM will now be able to say that they have had multiple organizations analyze this data and all come to the same positive conclusion.

Where Will Price Open After Positive News:
Some may be content to wait until after news to buy in to lower their risk. I want to give two examples of why this may not make you much money. The first is CVMs stock will be halted before the news is released. If the news is positive, CVMs stock price will very likely be readjusted higher before trading is resumed. I would say at least double of wherever the current price is. So if we are trading at $10-$15 before news, I would expect the price to open at $20-$30 AT LEAST. But that's even assuming CVM stock trades normal again. I still wouldn't be surprised to see a buyout announcement right alongside the announcement of positive data. The way I see it, if CVM has positive data, another company could at that point come in with minimal risk and buyout CVM. At that point you have better been in this stock before because you won't be able to make a profit after that announcement since the stock will immediately shoot to the buyout offer and stay there. If it's $60 a share you will miss out on that.

CVM Preparation:
Why would CVM spend all that money to update their Multikine facility if they were expecting bad news? They wouldn't, they would pocket that money for themselves. Why would they hire more employees to produce Multikine if they were expecting negative news? They wouldn't, they would pocket that money for themselves. Why would CVM do small offerings for small dilution if they were expecting negative news? They wouldn't, they would do MUCH BIGGER offerings to gain as much money as possible. Why would CVM management and insiders buy shares time and time again if they thought negative news was coming and that they were going to lose that money? They wouldn't. Even though they will still have lots of money even if Multikine fails I doubt that they like the idea of just pissing their money away in the wind. They invested because they want to increase their wealth. CVM IS EXPECTING SUCCESS HERE.

The Finish Line:
We are steps away from the finish line. This is what everyone has been saying they have wanted for years. And now that it's finally here you're going to give up? Not me. I'm holding, content with my position. But if this gets manipulated below $10 somehow, I will become a buyer again. This isn't a sprint. Never has been. This has been an ultramarathon. You have gone through highs and lows. Your legs and spirit want to quit. Some will. But a few more steps and you're done. It would be a shame to not see this through. I'll be there with whoever is left standing at the finish line.

Lightrock because I really do respect you here is one last thing for your “why is Italy so high compared to other countries?” This is the first I have seen this.

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says.

I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.


Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/amp/

Sorry but I am done with this board for now. There are a few people on here who are salty and wanting to dwell in existential dread and fear without the least bit trying to look for the positives in anything. That will only create more anxiety and depression.

This is a serious situation. I’m not denying that. But when I read only fear and negativity it shows me a Strongly biased opinion. There is positive news out there as well but people only want to dwell in the fear.

I wish no ill will on anyone. I’ve been self isolating as much as I can. working from home as well now. We will get through this. If you choose to believe otherwise, then why even try... peace

Thank you for the links. Interesting to read about. But I still think we need much more information before overreacting aka panicking.

But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger — between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 patients who were admitted to intensive care units were adults under 65, the C.D.C. reported.

Okay, we know younger people are still effected by this and some still require hospitalization. But I'm curious how many had pre-existing/immune compromised instead of being young AND healthy.

“if that many younger people are being hospitalized, that means that there are a lot of young people in the community that are walking around with the infection.”

Yes, we all figure that there are MANY asymptomatic people running around feeling great that we need to test for so we can contain this.

The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group.

Oh there is my previous question. I presume it's not hitting young AND generally healthy people as hard. I.E. We NEED MORE INFO :)

As for the second article you referenced, that gives support to the idea that even though all ages are effected to a degree, the mortality is still low, below 1%

"Anywhere from 14% to 21% of adults ages 20 to 44 with COVID-19 have been hospitalized, the CDC data estimates. Two to 4% of cases led to ICU admissions, and less than 1% were fatal."

Robot, I appreciate the back and forth. My main purpose in responding to you and others is to promote positive and rational thinking where we can. I don't disagree at all that we should be taking precautions, limiting exposure, testing and tracking more, trying to treat this and leveling the curve for as long as we can without destroying society. Those are all solid arguments. I just want to make sure we are being rational at looking at the data without fear and instead with logic so we don't overreact and panic because that helps no one.

It seems this disease, like many diseases, hits people who are older or have had underlying health conditions, and in many cases both, previous to developing Covid-19. It seems many cases are mild and asymptomatic. But I will follow and study the new perspectives you have given me and see what I can find as more cases are found and our information on this is updated. And yes, we need to do our best to protect these at risk people.

Robot, first, the New York Post is not a reliable source.

But I looked into it with some of my own quick searches. The discussion of younger people suffering from lung problems is interesting. I have not found any source that has given any statistics or numbers on what percentage of young people are suffering extreme or lasting damage. I will not overreact yet. But it will be something for me to note and follow.

Thank you.

Lightrock, to be fair. South Korea has handled this textbook. So even with their older members of the population they are doing a very good job of protecting them. China seems, time will tell, to have it under control now very well.

In addition both China and South korea have much lower median ages like the U.S in comparison to Spain or Italy.

Haha Moroni just lost his trumpet, guess he was looking to upgrade it with something different ;)

Lightrock,

I appreciate our civil discourse where we can flesh out opposing viewpoints. I do think we agree to an extent on things, but here are my thoughts.

Italy has the second oldest population on earth. Their median age is 47.3 years as opposed to Amercias 38.2. That's almost a decade older on average. A large percentage of these mortality rates are from people who are not only 70+ but the large majority of these older patients had underlying health conditions.

74.1%, about 3/4 of all deaths in Italy have come from very old patients who had 2 or more prior illnesses.

Sources: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

https://www.wired.com/story/why-the-coronavirus-hit-italy-so-hard/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opinions/south-korea-italy-coronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html

Now look at all the deaths that are happening in the U.S. Older patients with underlying health conditions.

17 new deaths in the United States
Deaths include:

1 death in California, the first in San Benito County: a man in his 60s [source]
1 death in Louisiana: a patient in his 60s with underlying health conditions [source]
1 death in Georgia [source]
1st death in Maryland: a man in his 60s with an underlying medical condition [source]
1 death in Washington State: a woman in her 80s with underlying health conditions [source]

To finish up the first point. No that is not an insignificant sampling. And that death rate would be far above the 1% I feel that the world will eventually end up averaging. So to your credit that still means a large percentage of struggling aging populations will die and are in danger. I don't take that lightly. But I also don't want to panic and extrapolate this into the idea that the overall general population of the younger world is at an increased risk of death when studies have shown that they are clearly not. I think it's expedient to take things seriously while at the same time not contributing to the panic.



I do agree with this to an extent. I do think that this is the United States and many other countries long term plan until we find a vaccine or reliable treatment. Once we can get this under control we will at some point need to resume society so our economy doesn't completely crumble and send us all back to the stone ages. At whatever point they get this under control I presume we would adopt a strategy like South Korea, to monitor, test, and quarantine any areas of potential outbreaks quickly and effectively while the rest of society continues to function as normal, albeit with a little more social distance for the time being.

I definitely agree that each state should and will have it's own timetable for things. Florida will be VERY interesting to watch, that could be a trouble state since it has a lot of retired seniors living down there en mass.

As of now there are 140,203 active cases.
133,024 (95%) of those are mild
7,179 (5%) of those are serious/critical

Increased testing will show us if that 5% rises or lowers with time. I think it's important to take these numbers seriously but also all with a grain of salt. I've read a lot of negative headlines and comments about how the U.S. will fare. It's easy to get caught up in the overwhelming negative sentiments. I for one am remaining optimistic that we will do better with this than others like Italy. We are a productive, smart, and hard working country and I think will come up with a lot of smart solutions to battle this. I'm sure you have heard of GMs CEO and Elon Musk both offering to make respirators.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/edgarsten/2020/03/18/gms-barra-offers-to-build-ventilators-in-idled-plants/#7184b37d4754

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/19/21186634/bill-de-blasio-elon-musk-ventilator-shortage-coronavirus-pandemic-covid-19

In Utah local hospitals and businesses are coming up with better planning and solutions to prepare.

If we can't remain positive and find the good this will break us as a society. We WILL pull through, and it's not an if, it's a WHEN.


p.s. Thank you. The earthquake was more of a scare than anything. A large quake would have been disastrous amid this pandemic. Most of us thought the world was ending yesterday. We are all now prepared to shoot the fourth horseman when he rides over the hill ;)

P.p.s. Seriously wanting some positive update on LEAPS. Not only would that be nice for share price but more importantly we need some more tools to fight this ASAP. As always, looking forward to your critique. Be well.

Rogue, that was exactly my thinking and question as well.

Cvmibelieve, loved your thoughts. Feel like I understood it well after reading it over a few times.

One question, which you kind of spoke to but I was unsure of your meaning.

If the patients are censored after 3 years and not contributing to the overall 298 tally. And our last group of patients was enrolled in September 2019. Wouldn't that mean that there are simply no more patients left to contribute to 298? And if so, why wouldn't the IDMC have halted the study in October if that was the case since it would be impossible to arrive to 298 now that all patients are past the 3 year mark and in this theory, censored to 298.

Thanks

Lightrock, been following your conversations back and forth with Robot. I'm not here to argue but to provide some altering points of view.

Is this situation serious? Of course. Let's just get that out of the way. I believe in self isolating and being cautious.

But some of the things you two have gone back and forth on I don't necessarily agree with. Maybe it's the way you guys are saying it. IDK. I respect you a lot so just want to throw my two cents out there in a kind way.

Point 1, The USA could be second in the world or first in 12-18 days. That shouldn't be too surprising. We are after all the third most populated country in the world after China and India (who for whatever reason are either far behind us or just not getting that many cases for some reason) regardless, this shouldn't be too alarming since just by overall numbers it would make total sense.

Point 2, Italy death ratios are concerning because deaths outpace recoveries.
Again, we simply need more time to pass to be sure of anything. It's too early to draw concrete conclusions. Deaths will obviously be tallied faster since it is a quick and final event. Recovering fully from a virus takes time. Your body has to clear it from your body where the levels don't test positive for active virus. This takes a couple weeks. So we can't draw any hard conclusions. In a couple weeks the recoveries could far outpace the deaths since there are currently 24,000 mild cases vs 2,000 serious cases that are active in Italy.

Point 3, more for Robot, this was a bioweapon.
It is well agreed upon at this point that they can track the virus origin to almost the day and area. It originated in China in November when it passed from animal to human. The conspiracy theories do not help.

Lastly, with some cautiously positive news, it seems we are all on the same trajectory as Asia. I've linked to a chart that was posted yesterday. At some point we all reach inflection points where the virus begins to level out in new cases. Asia seems to be at that point of leveling. From the chart it looks to be that everyone is on the same trajectories but things will escalate for a bit until we level off just like them.

https://imgur.com/a/Bwj4U7T

Two last things. As a Utahn, we just got hit with a 5.7 magnitude earthquake. Things are fine. But it puts things in perspective.
We are also now able to create 50,000 tests a day here. So testing will be ramping up. We will probably see a rise in cases but will start catching mild ones.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/3/18/21185177/coronavirus-covid-19-test-supply-co-diagnostics-utah-pandemic

Even if you guys want to complain about the federal response to this (fair) I think it is a bit ridiculous to argue that states are doing nothing. Some states are taking this far more seriously than others. We will pull through from this. This is not the end of the world. Things will get better. I think it's wise once in a while to remember that a lot of very smart scientists and doctors and local leaders are doing their very best to help and find solutions. We all need to look out for each other, but we can do this :)

I love your response. Seems like if they want to be relevant they are going to have to pony up and offer CVM some money ;)

We all know this is an OBVIOUS short attack today. The market is weak. That stupid "ALLEGED" fraud headline is on top of my TDAmeritrade news for CVM. They are going to use that while they can. (*Alleged means they can't prove anything, they use this term so they don't get sued for slander)

And for those of you worrying about the PR for the LEAPS vaccine going nowhere and being a simple pump. Give them a few days or a week. Government funding and deals like these, even at a fast pace, take time to finalize. They have to have multiple meetings to agree on a variety of conditions. Sounds like they are trying to find/secure a partner company. My guess is that CVM might get a nice chunk of money from the government to work on LEAPs. Give it a little time. Let's have a little trust in them this time eh?

CEL-SCI CEO Geert Kersten added, “CEL-SCI is currently in discussion with multiple health care partners to expeditiously move this critically important work forward. We look forward to combining the LEAPS technology, experience and expertise of CEL-SCI with the expertise of various partners to promote the rapid development of a LEAPS/COVID-19 product to help particularly those patients who are at very high risk from COVID-19 infection.”

I barely missed having my orders filled on that dip but I have orders in place and will be BUYING at my price targets today without a worry in the world if I get the opportunity!

Oh cool another shady law firm trying to get money off us again. Lol I hate these liars. This will go nowhere, just like the last time they tried it.

Fosco,

I have some other stocks that are holding their own that are in other sectors.

Also, I try not to talk about the virus on here since I like to stick on topic to CVM but with that said I think Coronavirus is being blow out of proportion. Panic and fear are in control right now and when people realize that the virulence of the virus isn't as dangerous as they fear things will calm down. I've been buying these dips.

I don't want to give away too much personal information out on this thread but my father is actually a biochemist and the VP of Research and Development at one of the largest disease testing labs in the U.S. They actually have just developed their own Coronavirus test and their CEO met with Mike Pence this week to talk about the virus/give advice. My point in saying this is I trust my father when it comes to diseases, testing, and their spread/potential harm. He isn't worried. He thinks basic precautions should be taken but thinks that this virus isn't as dangerous as everyone is making it out to be. The MDs that he works with are not worried either. The media is fearmongering and not reporting consistent accurate news. I could go on and on. But I hope you get my point :)

As for CVM these next 30-60 days are going to get VERY interesting imho. Too many potential things coming up for something not to come out of it.

Hope you are well

Fosco,

I don't personally think the movement back up is related much to leaps. We got pummeled on that short attack. And most people should now know that CVM isn't developing leaps for coronavirus. There are other players out that like INO that are cashing in for Corona.

We are still turning bullish on the charts and undervalued. I suspect towards the end of March we will see a lot of people jump back in because:
-We have multiple presentations coming up in April that may mean news
-IDMC meets VERY soon and any positive news, even if it's just continue, will be huge
-Trial site was updated to predict trial end by March 31st, I suspect a fair amount of people sold our stock when it was updated trying to buy back in before news. So I suspect people will buy back in when they think news could be close again.

Anyway, we are still well below $15 where I think we will rise above and this market has been brutal. Once fears die down this should start moving in leaps and bounds again.

Hope this answers your question, discussion on this board has been off topic as of late.

Great post! Glad to see some actual information and discussion on CVM again. Also didn't know that they were presenting in the UK. Wonder if it has anything to do with Ergomed being based there? Exciting times ahead. Just like last spring, we are due for some good stuff here :)

And again, since no one responded to my last post, IDMC should be meeting here again soon. That will be very telling again!