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Hardly. No "TRYING TO TALK IT DOWN" whatsoever. It's evident that Voippal can do this on its own without any message board chatter "trying" to do anything. Voippal got to 2.4 cents without my help or anyone else here. LOL. There is a reason why two pennies will get you a share these days.
So the company's dissemination of valuable information is only through the Rich Inza hotline? Seems a bit odd that a fully-reporting publicly traded "WORLD LEADER" would withhold crucial information and keep it only available through phone calls directly to Mr. Inza. Why is that?
Is Voippal the real thing, or is it a pumped up inflated storyline that made its board a few bucks over the last ten years? We will soon find out, but the market currently is calling Voippal's bluff. No question.
Lots of noise.
Apple hearing: It either goes VERY well, or <1 cent IMO.
Will sub-penny be an opportunity? Possibly. A lot will come out very soon, and as an investor to each their own.
Much has been discounted as to "THE MARKET" as it is apparently behind the times which is a laugh. There is a reason the share price is struggling to hold 2.4 cents. The reason is there are no more lemmings buying into the story. Those that hold stand firm (ONE DOWN, INFINITY UP! LOL). Those that want to believe, wait for further confirmation. Everyone else is OUT.
Not even 20 additional child patent press releases can budge this stock higher. Everyone has heard the rumor, nobody is buying it any longer. Apple hearing will tell all. The end.
The only All Or None of importance is the upcoming Apple hearing. Without a full victory Apple will unleash a legal tidal wave right to the shores of Vancouver. As Rumblebum proclaimed, Apple has buildings full of attorneys who will bleed Voippal dry. IMO he's right, and the market agrees.
<1 cent is coming, IMO.
Next two weeks will be telling for sure.
IMO Voippal gets partially favourable outcome, but not 100%. They need 100% to get the ship turned around. Otherwise Apple legal will bleed Voippal dry.
Comparing Voippal to Boeing tosses aside anything of relevance right away. OK, let's say Voippal goes up 9 TIMES. We would be seeing 18 cents on share price. WOW!
In reality MOST who come here are MOST LIKELY underwater and MOST LIKELY don't care for the fact that despite such marked accomplishments, the share price is barely holding 2 cents, and anyone who has invested since 2013 is UNDERWATER. That is an astounding FACT so let's concentrate on what might be relevant to MOST shareholders.
Another FACT: Assuming someone owns shares and acquisition below 1 cent. This means they purchased shares 6+ years ago. This would also mean that those shareholders who held those same shares, literally threw away the chance to make a killing at 25-35 cents. OUCH.
No, share price isn't everything but it's the ONLY thing when holding a stock for many years. NOBODY with money in Voippal can be content and happy with 2 cents. And certainly not <1 cent which IMO is on the way soon.
Let's concentrate on the true facts here versus minimize a failing share price. And we all know that any intraday Voippal charts will show the end of the day "spike" on small orders. Window dressing.
The FACTS are that anyone who has bought in to this company since 2013, 4 YEARS AGO, despite marked achievements, is UNDERWATER based on the close yesterday. NOT A POSITIVE FACT.
Although, expecting to understand FACTUAL DATA must be naive on my part.
As was stated here recently, it is now circling the toilet awaiting that final plunge.
I'm not surprised one bit and IMO we will be <1 cent before too long. Being realistic the Apple trial is not going to be 100% Voippal, therefore we will most likely see continued appeals.
Company motto "EXPECT THE WORST" has proved correct time and time again. Incredibly disheartening for shareholders to sit idle watching investments waste away.
I appreciate the concern and guidance but really it isn't needed. The selling I did was a while back when the share price was over 10 cents.
IMHO we will see <1 cent and "THAT" is where opportunity may lie.
Meanwhile BUY, BUY, BUY! Surely a buyout will take place once Voippal has a few positive results in the Apple case! LOL.
You bet that you don't see him clearing up anything. Don't you know it is a requirement of being a shareholder that you mind-read, infer between the lines, ignore all negative rhetoric, and put full faith into the goodies at any cost, and be sure to never forget Voippal is a technical leader, globally, intergalactically and beyond.
Take their (verbal rumour) word for it. That is the status quo you know.
IMO upon things not going 100% in favour of Voippal during the upcoming proceedings with Apple will result in some bailing. In turn it will only take a handful of million+ share owners selling (AKA "WEAK HANDS" lol) to bring us <1 cent. That might be an opportunity.
Let's not cherry coat the situation. Shares are in the mid 2 cent range with no buyers. Shares were double what they are now just a few months ago. Shares were previously at 35 cents once upon a time. All of this despite marked progress?
I hope the Apple trial bodes well for Voippal but if like you say things go 50/50 either way, then IMO stock price drops considerably as that type of result will equate to a long drawn out dragging through the mud to commence. And as Rumblebum stated, with buildings full of attorneys Apple will not sit idly and will use its resources to bleed Voippal.
When I made the decision to start posting here a bit it was early September, just a couple of months ago. The Voippal share price was 4-4.5 cents or so around that time.
In this short of span it has dropped in value by HALF, yet when I posted how 3 cents was NOT a bargain and under a penny seemed likely I received many negative responses.
I firmly believe this is headed sub-penny and do not see any way out of it with the dilution clause, the legal bills, and what is ahead for Voippal. The only thing they can do is create new shares from thin air and continue to dilute. The upcoming events are fractional as far as percent chance of a 100% win, IMO.
And NYT like you state, not one of these big companies has publicly even mentioned the word Voippal. Not a trace of acknowledgement and IMO "NEED" for the technology. Voippal tells us so, but the company and its leader Emil lack many many MANY details. Proof is in the share price and I think as Archer stated it is circling..
This is where your viewpoint differs. IMO I "wish" it would all play out as you describe but the odds are so slim that from a buying-Voippal-shares perspective it does not make sense as it is more likely they don't win the IPR, nor the Apple trial, and if they do they are to be dragged through the courts for a very long time.
What will the share price do in that scenario? Drop like a rock, reverse split, whatever it takes to keep operations going, that is what must happen. Rumblebum it is ALARMING that Emil and co do not disclose the particulars mentioned. And when investing in a company one is investing in that company's management. Pretty shady background so hard to invest in management of that caliber.
And regarding AT&T, Verizon, and others, I am confident they will watch what plays out with Apple and if Apple drags it out so will they. We are talking about exceptionally large companies that have the funds to push this as long as Voippal can take it.
Does the future look bright? Not really. Lots of HOPE that it does, but IMO any sane investor knows the probability of these events all aligning in a way that benefits Voippal is nill. And again, this is why mid 2 cents will get you some shares despite years of progress.
You're saying practically the same thing that I pointed out which is that as of NOW, here in reality, any 10% valuation increase is MEANINGLESS. The entire fiasco is a distraction from the real guts of the situation.
Sure, "IF" this company is bought for a billion dollars ("IF" requiring some miracles to occur) then using quick math that would be roughly .76 per share. "IF" the 10% of stock were returned that would be roughly .83 per share. PEANUTS in variance as this company has 1.3 BILLION shares out there.
Could care less what the daily market cap is, as it's skewed anyhow with paint-the-tape trades. What I personally care about are the upcoming proceedings in which IMO the IPR process is not disbanded but re-branded, revised, and a lot of hope on this board is squashed. There's a reason why the share price trend is DOWN and now stuck in the 2 cent range.
You are missing the big picture. The entire fiasco of the shares being returned has been a rumour for years, it is not relevant in that a 10% increase in share "VALUE" would take this stock from .0279 to .0306. BIG DEAL. This stock trades up and down 10% intraday sometimes.
So let's see your assessment. It starts off with "IF THE COMPANY IS SOLD FOR A BILLION DOLLARS". Well it's not a billion dollar company. That involves an entirely separate calculation and involves a big "IF".
Do some DUE DILIGENCE. Stock goes up 10% and it becomes .0306. You happy with your investment then?
Let me put it this way. The stock currently trades at .0279 cents. Hypothetically 10% of the stock is back in Treasury and outstanding shares reduced. Stock goes up 10%. Price now becomes .0306 per share.
MINISCULE. End of story.
It means that there continues to be a negative stigma associated with Voippal and Emil in general. Nothing has changed as that has been in place for years.
Additionally it's a side show and distraction from what really is going on and will ultimately affect every shareholder.
The 100,000,000 million shares supposedly being returned is miniscule for a company that has over 1.3 BILLION OUTSTANDING SHARES.
IMO the IPR process is not disbanded, it will be "REVISED". And I do not think for a minute that the hoopla behing the hearings will result in anything affirmative. Expect more to be drawn out following and as the proper mantra has been on this company "EXPECT THE WORST". Unfortunately that has proved correct since we watched the share price trade in the 20 cent range.
In sum you are saying what I believe to be the ultimate and most realistic outcome. The PTAB continues on with "slight revisions". IPR's continue. The timeline is drawn out much further than anticipated. This costs the company big time. We shareholders "HOPE" for positive outcome and the draining of the Swamp but does it ever happen?
They are indeed good letters and draw much needed attention to the issues facing Voippal and other small patent owners, however, will the inferred "we will sue you" mantra make a difference?
Unfortunately for Voippal this sounds like desperation. Will threats from the technical leader work? IMO no it will not.
I'll say it again. Yes it is a corrupt system but no it will not go away overnight. More likely the IPR process will be revamped and will no be obliterated.
In today's news 1.1 million share order immediately met by eager seller. Stock down 10% out of the gate.
Despite the noise pro or con there aren't many buyers of Voippal stock these days, and when they surface their orders seem to be always met in a hurry.
You make an incredibly valid point and as a non-lawyer it seems correct that could occur.
What could also occur is the ability to invalidate could be taken away from a jury altogether. Might become US District Court that determines this fate, who knows?
Your presumption is a bit scary as a shareholder. And how much "TIME" will this tick off the clock on top of it all?
How many other things with "TOO MANY TRANSGRESSIONS" continue as we know it?
Listen, I agree the PTAB should go away. The truth should prevail, and the innocent patent holders should claim victory.
BUT. I don't think that will happen. Too many lawyers, too many large corporations that DEPEND upon the process.
I'll say it again. IMO the end result is that Congress RE-CONFIGURES the PTAB and while we both agree we would "LIKE" to hear the IPR process is finished, simply don't see that happening.
In the filed IPR petition responses and reports no Tata RBR demontration exists and you are spot on.
Tata delivers over 25% of the world's internet routes yet somehow Voippal's demonstration, which cannot be verified other than rumour, did not convince this huge company that it would be worth looking further into?
I just don't feel confident that "nodes in Denmark" (whatever that means) will convince anyone that this equates to practicing their RBR technology.
A - Hope the analogy works out
B - There was no IPR procedure nor any PTAB otherwise Mr. Kearns would likely have lost the patent through the corrupt system in place
I read your post and agree with you on all counts, however, I am realistically NOT anticipating all to go down quickly. While my shares would love to see ALL IPR's ruled unconstitutional my gut tells me there won't be anything happening quickly - positive or not. Not with a Silicon Valley bought and paid for D.C. making the rules.
Voippal Shareholder: Hopeful the company could pull off such a "SMOOTH TRANSFER" to the Tribe, bypass the PTAB and litigation, and off to the highest bidder for multiple Billions. Oil States trial prevails for small inventors and IPR process immediately eliminated forever.
Realistic Investor: Likely no transfer to an Indian Tribe is made, and an attempt to do so in order to skirt the patent system would be challenged by Apple and others resulting in further delays prolonging this entire prolonged process to begin with. Oil States trial if favorable might end up affecting Voippal down the road however this is not a trial involving Voippal and any such trial resolution likely will result in plenty of TIME before made law. It could definitely help the cause but will not be the end-all solution.
In Lehman's terms it would mean Voippal assets are packaged up into securities and resold to other unsuspecting tech companies geographically located in small towns around Europe and Iceland. Southbank would certify the Triple A rating of this security.
I'm surprised me and my personal feelings to the matter are of any relevance but yes it did bother me because to this day nobody can verify any of it nor even the existence of the company. It was simply swept under the mat.
The unfortunate thing is that as a shareholder it has been a "PREREQUISITE" to "SPECULATE" daily. Voippal is a SPECULATIVE investment and has carried on with a "READ BETWEEN THE LINES" mandate for years. I am here because of the patents. They exist, they have been issued. And now, they are being challenged. The important components eh.
Meanwhile these items such as detailing the infringement origins from 50+ companies and the like, are all relevant and important so why not address them versus more sweeping things under the rug?
And we deem it "FAKE NEWS" simply because you say so?
Honestly we have had so much "FAKE NEWS" from the company itself that it is tough to not ponder at such statements from nomore. Years ago I recall Voippal diligently working to secure a near term deal. And a company called Southbank who had a buyer ready to move quickly. And several others.
But I do agree with you, nothing matters but upcoming IPR's and what goes down in court.