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No, not really. I think I told you I take gabapentin and it has helped so I don't have that horrible pain now, but still have pain. I do appreciate your concern. Thanks.
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One phrase summarizes the horror of hell. "God isn't there." Max Lucado
Psalm 139:7-8
7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Revelation 14:9-11
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
We were talking about hell and you threw a monkey wrench into the discussion. LOL! You responded with Revelation 20, specifically about the lake of fire. The lake of fire is mentioned only four times in the Bible, all in Revelation and it tells us little about it except it is the lake of fire.
Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
I did find some more scripture:
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
I do not believe one verse negates another verse in the Bible, but I do believe that there is far more in it than any of us can comprehend. Is God in the lake of fire? God was in hell and hell was cast into the lake of fire. I believe God knows everything that is going on there. But aside from that we have no more scriptures about it other than in Revelation.
It is so nice to discuss scripture and learn. Have a good weekend everyone and may God bless you all.
Hi excel. It's been a long time and it is good to post again. It took me a long time to get that post done. From the sound of the news lately, it sure seems like Jesus could come back for his bride any day now. I hope people will hurry up and get saved. I would not want to go to sleep or wake up, if I did not know that I was and am saved by the precious blood of Jesus.
I have always heard that hell is separation from God, but scriptures do prove otherwise. I don't believe I've ever heard anyone give an exact scripture that says otherwise. Anyway, I found more proof:
Revelation 14:9-11
King James Version (KJV)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Quote: One phrase summarizes the horror of hell. "God isn't there."
Max Lucado
I am surprised that Max Lucado said that.
Psalm 139:7-8
King James Version (KJV)
7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
I've always heard that God is omnipotent (all powerful) and he is:
Revelation 19:6
King James Version (KJV)
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
I have always heard that God is omnipresent (being present everywhere at the same time). The word omnipresent is not in the Bible, but the verses above suggest that God is everywhere. We cannot hide from him anywhere. Here are some additional verses:
Hebrews 4:12-14
King James Version (KJV)
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
God is also omniscient (having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things). The word omniscient is not in the Bible either.
John 16:30
King James Version (KJV)
Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
John 21:17
King James Version (KJV)
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
I don't know why people believe God is not everywhere, including hell, but I have other people say this too.
Grant R. Jeffrey died. I do not know any details.
Thanks and God bless you too.
I hope I didn't miss anyone who posted for prayer for me. I have to get off now. Love you all.
Thanks and God bless.
I love all the dear people on these boards and I will be praying for you all too, not by individual name, unless I see a need, but for my IHUB friends.
Thank you so much and I pray God will bless you.
Thanks so much and God bless you.
Thank you so much. We have some of the world's best people on these boards.
Oh thank you so much and may God bless you.
Thanks and God bless you too.
Thanks Plugger and thanks to you all for the prayers. I love the Bible board and the other Christian boards. And God bless you too.
Hi Early. I couldn't watch the video because of pain. The left wants the New World Order. I suppose they think they can rob America. Obama is set up to be the head of the NWO in my opinion. If anyone has any gold or silver in safe deposit boxes, I would surely get it out if he wins again and I think he will someway. After the rapture, I believe all these evil people are going to be in for a real surprise.
Hi everybody. I read a few of the posts and I don't like to be negative, but unless something drastic happens to wake up America and the whole world, I see everything getting worse every day. All you have to do is listen to the news. I've gotten to where I can barely listen to it anymore.
God help us with this coming election. All hell could break loose.
Love you all. Keep praying for me. This is the strangest stuff I have. The pain has moved from my left side of my neck and shoulders to the right side. I'm going to lie down now.
God bless you all!
That's a lot of snow. Maybe things will get better this week, I hope.
I do pray that you will get very serious about your salvation. I don't read your board very much at all, but when I do, I am really concerned by what I see. I do not mean to criticize you and I am sorry if I was a little harsh the other day. I just don't understand you. Jesus is coming very soon. We have to be in the last days. Nobody knows when Jesus is coming back, but according to prophecy, we are close. If you were to die in the next minute, are you absolutely sure you would go to heaven? That is my concern for you. God loves you more than you know, and no one gets to heaven except by the pure, innocent blood of Jesus. If Jesus did not have a virgin birth, then he is no different than you or me. I can forgive people of any sins they commit against me, but that does not get them into heaven. And by the way, we do have to forgive everyone of every sin they have committed against us before we die if we want to go to heaven. The Holy Spirit came over Mary and she conceived Jesus. If you believe the Bible, then you have to believe in the virgin birth because these scriptures prove it. God bless you and let me know if I can help you. I can't be on the computer much, but I will do my best.
Luke 1:34-38
34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37For with God nothing shall be impossible.
38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
Matthew 6:12
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Matthew 6:14-15
14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I pray for you that you will come to know the truth, and not choose what you want to believe. God bless you.
No thanks. I have been studying all my life.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
You can't pick and choose what you want to believe of the Bible. Believe it all or none of it. You are the weirdest so called Christian I have ever come across.
Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Jesus was born of a virgin. You just as well call God a liar every time you dispute his word. I believe you should have some thinking to do. How do you propose to get into heaven unless you change?
Hi Ranb2khz. Thanks for posting. Maybe this sleepy little board will wake up again. That would be nice.
Hi excel. Yes, she is a hero. And from what I hear, a lot of grandparents are caring for their grandchildren. I pray God will bless all those dear people.
Hi excel. Yes, she is a hero. And from what I hear, a lot of grandparents are caring for their grandchildren. I pray God will bless all those dear people.
God bless you all. These things are so hard on everyone. And especially God bless and comfort your Mom as she takes these tests.
So sorry to hear about your mom, but thank God you were there with her. Will pray for Neddia, and I pray for God's peace and blessings for you all.
cj, how is your Mom? Haven't seen anything about her lately. I hope and pray everyone is okay. I know you all have had a lot of heartache lately.
I hear you excel. The only thing is that this is a rare condition and nobody famous that I know has ever had it. There is some research going on, but there is really not much any doctor can do for it. They have botox, surgery (which is very dangerous for this condition) and medicine. I would never have surgery and can't have botox, so the only thing left is medicine. I have had physical therapy, but it didn't help.
If someone famous gets a condition, it is more likely that there will be more research for it.
I am thinking about leaving my body to science if I should die before the rapture. But with things going the way they are, I think the rapture could very well come first. If research could learn anything from me to help someone else, just one person, it would be worth it for me.
So sorry David died, but so glad Mitzi got to talk to him. I agree with what you told her.
Let us know if you find out what happened to him. That is scary to die in that short a time. I wonder if it was staph or strep. My Dad got one of those when he was leaving a hospital and the nurse accidentally let him get cut on his leg with the wheelchair. And that stayed with him until he died. He never got completely rid of it.
Thanks excel. I am going to my neurologist next Tuesday. The pain has been terrible since spring and I should have gone back a long time ago. Hopefully, he can help me and of course I always call on Jesus. I don't know how people can live without Him.
Here is something else interesting about Jesus, man and angels. Jesus and man were made a little lower than the angels.
Psalm 8:4-6
King James Version (KJV)
4What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
6Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Hebrews 2:6-10
King James Version (KJV)
6But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?
7Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
8Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Will pray for David.
(I'm not saying I understand all of this, but here it is. I think we judge angels on how well they helped us when they should have. At least that is the only explanation I have ever heard.)
I CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 6
1 ¶ Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
I am so sorry. Yes, things like you are going through really make holidays hard. I hope your Mom is better really soon. And may God bless all of you.
Okay. Thanks.
Thanks for your response.
I hope you don't mind me asking this, but does the cow you get milk from take medicine for parasites or anything else and what does the cow eat?
The place where this cow will be had been planted in soybeans, so I wonder if the chemicals, if any, would hurt the cow or the milk.
You could be right about the FDA.
Does anyone know of any people who drink unpasteurized milk? I know someone who is considering getting a cow and drinking the milk raw. I have researched it and it is very risky and dangerous. I know when I was a child my Grandmother used to give us raw milk and as far as I know it never hurt us.
cj, May God comfort you, your parents and all the family and friends of your sister. I didn't call you because I have felt really bad lately. Can't even get to the beauty shop to get my hair cut. But you have been in my thought and prayers.
That's beautiful. Thanks for sharing.