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[lmorovan]

Are you saving the best for last? Why?

Yes, because Jesus did so too.

[lmorovan]

Sassy

Bear with me..Can you tell I'm a little confused..LOL

No, confused not, just in search for the truth.

[lmorovan]

Either we have the power or we don't. This is an oxymoron:

We do have the power and the free will to make decisions that would cause the demise and destruction of our own souls, but we ourselves cannot destroy our own souls.

[lmorovan]

Sassy, you seem to forget that I was falsely accused of spreading false teachings, of being a coward and even lie on the Bible board. Yet you have not opened your mouth to defend your brethren.

I should not, however, be surprised. The very fact that you have chosen to remain silent regarding the issue of my banning caused by excel's refusal to admit his mistake is telling me that it is more important to follow the lead of the board moderator than the truth.

I would however invite you to study the issues that make members of the Bible board to label me a heretic and the others the speakers of the truth. After all, we will not have to give account for what we say or fail to say to men but to God.

I wish there would be only one standard. But it's only a wish.

[Sassy]

lmorovan..That is a very unfair thing for you to say..It is her thoughts..
No one on that board is spreading false teachings..
You are WRONG for accusing falsely..
Maybe you believe differently..SO BE IT..Your beliefs are not necessarily the TRUTH..
I'm not going to stay around and debate this issue with you..
It is black and white..You are wrong to falsely accuse the brethern..
You do not have a special line, anymore than any other Christian has, to the truth..We all have access to the Living Word..You are not unique in receiving the truth.

[lmorovan]

I guess killianpsi is joining excel in spreading false teachings and heresies:

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=11847462

[lmorovan]

We are not in this world to get along with the ungodly, we are here to please God by doing His will.

[lmorovan]

Christian Rock Cafe has joined the cover up group to conceal the truth. About a dozen posts removed to eliminate evidence.

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=2556

[lmorovan]

And no Kings book either, for that matter.

[lmorovan]

There is no Peter book in the Bible.

[lmorovan]

Thank God Jesus didn't have a congregation which forced Him to take a vacation.

I remember when we forced our Pastor to go take a vacation.

[lmorovan]

Sassy,

Tell God, “I want to live by Your schedule and please You by my obedience.”

I guess Dr. Stanley confuses procrastination with waiting for God's time.

[lmorovan]

Putting words in God's mouth that He never spoke is a dangerous, very dangerous and deceiving game:

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=11728649

[lmorovan]

Just another way the secular culture has infiltrated Christianity:

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=11712068

[lmorovan]

excel and love.

[lmorovan]

As long as a clear blasphemy posted on a Bible Message board is not rebuked and rejected, the board displays an image inconsistent with it's title. And definitely, I don't want to be a part of it.

[lmorovan]

Your taxpayers $$$$ at work bringing down those criminals!

Secret Service seizes $1 million-bill tracts

INDUSTRY NEWS
Secret Service seizes $1 million-bill tracts
U.S. Secret Service agents have confiscated more than 8,000 “$1 million-bill” tracts produced by Ray Comfort's Living Waters ministry, saying the handbills too closely mimic real money.
Agents showed up at the Denton, Texas, office of Great News Network (GNN) last Friday and took the entire stock of the tracts, used by Comfort and co-host Kirk Cameron on their TV show, The Way of the Master.

WorldNetDaily.com reported that the action followed an attempt by a woman in North Carolina to deposit one of the million-dollar bills into her bank account.

GNN founder Darrel Rundus issued a statement at the organization's Web site, saying that “according to the U.S. Treasury,” it is illegal to duplicate and make copies that are comparable to existing currency with the intent to commit fraud.

“Since there is no such thing as a $1 million-dollar bill in circulation, it is obviously not illegal to create, print and/or distribute one. … How do you counterfeit something that doesn't exist?”

Rundus said “he felt that the (Secret Service) was “overzealous in their seizure of our property, and they violated our constitutional rights by depriving us of property without due process.”

One side of the tract, which is the same size as a $20 bill, has fake seals and a portrait of Grover Cleveland. The reverse of the bill has a printed gospel message.

Federal law says bill facsimiles for novelty or advertising purposes must be at least 50% larger or 25% smaller than actual size and cannot contain anything resembling government seals, The Washington Post reported.

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The way I see it, this seems to me to be a concerted effort against Christian organizations that evidently are doing a good job reaching out the lost. Both Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort are doing an excellent job in their evangelistic outreach on the streets.

Shame on the Secret Service.

[lmorovan]

excel, does this Bonnie guy have the solution or he is just pointing the problem?

[lmorovan]

Do you even know how important you are? This world, this Universe would be incomplete without you.

[lmorovan]

What does it mean to be born again? Well, let's see:

What does it mean to be born? Life begins at conception, when a sperm (one of millions) penetrates the egg and fertilize it. A chain reaction of multiplication and specialization of cells start to take place, and over time, it gives the shape and characteristics of the person to be born. Birth is the culmination of the complete formation of the human being.

What does it mean to be born again? Spiritual life begins when God enables the person (egg) to receive His drawing (sperm). A chain reaction starts to take place where gradually and progressively the person starts to receive the Word of God through reading the Bible, participating in Bible studies, praying and meditation. The culmination of this process is when the person decides to accept Jesus Christ as his/her personal Savior, repents of his/her sins, receives biblical baptism and dedicates the rest of his/her life to Jesus Christ.

Everybody is born in the flesh, but few get to be born of the Spirit.

[lmorovan]

excel,

You aren't the one who has dealt with the PM's for a long time about his behavior disrupting the thread.

Not only did I need to answer those, I had to deal with PM's to Imorovan.

I do have a life.

After repeated warnings both in PM, as well in public, Imorovan chose the route he wanted to take.

In fact he asked if he was going to banned.

I once again gave him an opportunity to change.

Once again he chose to ignore it.

Only have so many cheeks to turn before one must take action or the boards goals can no longer be reached.

I wish you had not written what you just did. You know well that is not true, yet you seem to hide behind the fact that no one will ever find out. You seem to forget that I also have copies of the very few PM's that we exchanged. Anyway, you have made your choice.

When you have an employee who because of his constant bickering attitude along with saying things can only be done his way along with twisting the words of every other employee would it be productive to keep him on the job site?

You more than anyone else know that my position most of the time was defensive against those who have shown very little brotherly tolerance toward others. You say that my attitude is of "saying things can only be done his way". If you are honest and truthful, I ask you to produce anything where I stated that. I hope you do.

That subject is a done deal with a course of action laid out for restoration which the ball is now in his court with that restoration.

So far I have seen zip for repentance from him and the continued use of twisting of words to fit his beliefs.

Those actions do not belong on here by him or anyone else.

You talk about restoration and repentance? Of what? Of expressing my point of view and opinion and defending myself when attacked? What words am I twisting? Weren't you who claimed that sin and sinful people will enter heaven? I believe that is not true and asked you to provide biblical support, to which you responded with threats of banning me, which eventually you did.

I expected some honesty from you, if not repentance for spreading a false teaching. I have seen nothing so far other than justification of your unwarranted action against me.

[lmorovan]

Question to the board:


Is suicide forgivable?

[lmorovan]

excel, have you figured out that sinners/sin will never enter heaven? This is the issue that got me banned from your board. Unless you present biblical support for your statement, you will show that you acted against me out of personal reasons for showing that you have presented a heresy to the board, and, so far you have not acknowledged and retracted of it.

I will continue to hold you responsible for your false statement.

[lmorovan]

Quiz for the board:

What are the 7 deadly sins?

[lmorovan]

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7

If man became a living soul when God breathed into him the breath of life, then before doing so, man was a dead soul, or a non living soul.

What happens when a man dies? He stops breathing, that is, his breath of life that made him a living soul left him. Then he becomes a death soul, or a non living soul again.

The spirit leaves the body (non living soul) but it takes with him the identity, memories, experiences and feelings that person had while he was a living soul.

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An interesting analogy:

What is a computer? A physical body (case, motherboard, hardware, cables, printed boards, lights, fan, power supply, etc.)

Then we have the software loaded in the hard drive, complex and sophisticated magnetic information and instructions.

Finally, we have the power (electricity) that makes it all work together (the hardware runs the software and makes the computer come alive and do all the functions it was designed for).

What happens if the power is cut off? The computer becomes useless for the functions it has been created. Both hardware and software become non functional.

Electricity (the power to animate the computer) can be compared to the breath of life. The body is like the hardware (case, mother board, cables, hard drive, floppy drive, etc.) The brain (hard drive contains information and instructions) is like the soul which makes the whole system work as intended by the manufacturer.

[lmorovan]

excel, when you see any Ministerial material that has a copy right provision on it, better stay away. It is clear what it's purpose is: either to make money or to get the credit (glory). That is why I am so much against all these abundant material in the bookstores about debunking the DaVinci Code; it the author wrote the book to serve fellow Christians, he should look for sponsorship and make the book available for free to all churches and church members. The same would apply to all other artistic expressions. After all, God gives the talents (gifts) freely, and so should we channel them further.

[lmorovan]

No one will go to heaven or to hell before the Great Judgment.

[lmorovan]

Our God is a jealous God. He will not share His Glory with no one, and He will not negotiate His Commandments for any reason.

[lmorovan]

Could have Adam named each and all species of animals God created in the laps of literal 24 hours?

[lmorovan]

"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell," Mark 9:43-46

If we are to take the Bible literally, should we do what Jesus says?

[lmorovan]

killianpsi, yes, you just confirmed the unusual practice that is (or was) going on on the Bible board: taking parts of a post, or a few words and turning them into what you want them to be, regardless of the clear description of what they were meant to be. From that perspective, I am glad I am out of there.

You forgot to mention the belief aspect. The first thing man must do is to believe, then confess.

The very term "born again believer" talks about a believer that is born again. I guess you missed the "believer" in my post.

Once confession is made, man becomes justified.

I agree. But that is not what I was talking about. I was talking about justification of sin ( a sin by itself), not justification of man.

I wonder what do you understand by "repentance"?

Anyway, thanks for once again showing how you take my posts apart and twist its meaning to become something other than what it says. Common practice on the Bible board.

[killianpsi]

lmorovan,

This is the last time that I will post on your board. What you have said does not fall in line with Scripture.

How do you become a born again believer? By confessing your sins, asking for forgiveness and repent and turn away from the sin.

Acts 16:31- And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Romans 10:10- For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

You forgot to mention the belief aspect. The first thing man must do is to believe, then confess.

Sin can never be justified before God.

Once confession is made, man becomes justified.

Romans 5:9- Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Galatians 2:16- Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Titus 3:7- That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

...person must repent, that is, willingly and consciously promising not to sin again.

Where do you get this definition? Where in Scripture?

Those of you who are reading this board, if you want to see some real discussion of Biblical topics, look at the Bible discussion board in the Coffee Shop. And please feel free to ask questions. We love asking and answering them.

This is my final post on this board. I will leave the rest to the Lord.

[lmorovan]

killianpsi, if you are a true born again believer, you cannot have any unconfessed sin or sins. If you have unconfessed sin or sins, you cannot be a true born again believer.

How do you become a born again believer? By confessing your sins, asking for forgiveness and repent and turn away from the sin. You see, in my opinion, confession of each and all sins is a sure sign of the first step of becoming a born again believer.

Of course, confession is not enough. You must be sorry for the sins and never, under any circumstances, justify them. Sin can never be justified before God.

And then sin must be asked to be forgiven by the blood of Jesus Christ, and the person must repent, that is, willingly and consciously promising not to sin again. Not that we can ever accomplish that, we were born with a sinful nature and we will die with it. But there must be a genuine desire not to offend God anymore.

[lmorovan]

excel,

Imorovan. Gave u every chance and then some.

I agree with Sassy and have said before in your DEFENSE that I believe u love the Lord with all your heart.

That being said, your accuzations along with other issues has brought a consequence.

Time for a cooling off period.

I see nothing good coming from letting this to continue.

After June 8th if u care to rejoin the discussion please PM me.

Making accuzations else ware though certainly won't help your request.

Otherwise I'd love to have u back without the every body is after me attitude.

Otherwise I can see no good coming from it.

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As I said before, your board is your board, and you do what you believe it's the best for you and the members. If you can live with your decision, who am I to question it?

Your banning me from it, however, tells me that the best thing for all will be to stay permanently away. I see no reason for coming back as long as the same one sided rules apply. You, more than anyone else, have been aware of the constant harassment and judgment. And did nothing to stop it. Since my presence on your board is so uncomfortable to some members, I will better stay away from it.

The point is, I may be wrong in many issues. But so may others. If some believe they hold the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then I will continue to read the board and learn. And if I have any comment to make, I will do it here.

[lmorovan]

Last post before banning:

Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: Sassy who wrote msg# 6404
Date:5/30/2006 2:11:53 PM
Post #of 6407

Sassy, have you notice how every post of mine, every opinion within, are taken apart, analyzed, judged, and rebutted with statements and scripture that have nothing to do with the topic of my post?

Have you notice how, every time, after a few days of silence on the board, if I post something, there is always somebody who jumps on my case and start a harassing barrage of questioning and judgment?

Have you notice that when a topic becomes uncomfortable to some, it is changed and I am being blamed for it?

I am being accused of being a coward, of spreading false teachings, of lying, of twisting. And you say I am an accuser of the brethren?

And when I defend myself I am being threatened with banning? I guess it will eventually happen, for I will not sin by accepting opinions that are not biblical.

My love for the Lord will not be affected, perhaps it will be increased. I am ready.

[lmorovan]

Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: Sassy who wrote msg# 6402
Date:5/30/2006 1:43:27 PM
Post #of 6403

Sassy, you mean I have to shut up when my Lord and Savior is offended, my God is blasphemed? Or you agree that sinners will enter heaven with their baggage of sin?

If I am to be banned for defending the truth and exposing deceit, so be it.

[lmorovan]

Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: excel who wrote msg# 6400
Date:5/30/2006 1:31:16 PM
Post #of 6401

If you ban me, you will prove you have made a blasphemous statement and you don't have what it takes to admit it. These are your words:

BTW. There will be PLENTY of people all over this world who are alive at the time who will have sin in their hearts not yet forgiven when the King comes back. And also when they die.

And YES they will be going to Heaven!

I say you were wrong. And any action against me pointing it out will confirm it.

[lmorovan]

I caught him blaspheming, and he threatens to ban me:

Posted by: excel
In reply to: lmorovan who wrote msg# 6399
Date:5/30/2006 1:21:05 PM
Post #of 6400

I made a statement that would be the only way your position regarding the presence of sinful people in heaven could make sense. But that denies the value of the sacrifice of our Lord on the cross.

It never ends with u. Sinful people in heaven?

Only ones going to heaven are ones who have repented of their sins when they gave their life to Christ. Turned from their worldly ways.

Christ is the one way, only way to the Father which is the one way to Heaven.

Will those people in the above statement unlike what u said in your original statement I have quoted many times die with unforgiven sin before going to heaven?

OF COURSE THEY WILL unless right before they died there timing was good enough to ask.

Most here know about the transformation of why that unforgiveness will not be an issue.

But u on the other hand made a legalistic statement stating otherwise.

I'm done on this subject and guess what?

So are u.

Move on to other subjects without an attitude.

If u don't move on you will be banned.

[lmorovan]

Let's see who long this post will stay on that board.

Posted by: 1OFHIS
In reply to: lmorovan who wrote msg# 6361
Date:5/30/2006 10:06:50 AM
Post #of 6381

lmorovan,

You are lying, I have never implied that the 10 commandments are no longer valid and have said the opposite several times.

You like to argue and cause disruption.

[lmorovan]

And another one

Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: excel who wrote msg# 6350
Date:5/30/2006 2:53:06 AM
Post #of 6351

Be fair and be just. It's all I ask. And use the same standard for all, not just one or a few.

BTW, you used the name of the Holy Spirit in the wrong way. It should be capitalized, LOL.

And you do well in not wasting your time with me in any manner, not only with my accusation of being unfair. After all it's your board, you can do with it as you please and don't have to be held accountable before anyone.

[lmorovan]

More deletions:

Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: None
Date:5/30/2006 2:32:04 AM
Post #of 6349

Remember, you can't delete a post after 24 hours, so, get to work before it's too late.

[lmorovan]

Another deleted post:

Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: excel who wrote msg# 6341
Date:5/30/2006 1:59:18 AM
Post #of 6344

And no.

You do not have the right to argue with me so don't even start.

Guess you are learning fast from Matt, LOL.

I did not use the name of the Holy Spirit in any way objectionable. I specifically used "holy spirit". If you don't see the difference, is not my fault.

You speak about respect? How about the posts were I was called a coward and other names? Is it both ways or only one way?

[lmorovan]

Charles Stanley speaking about the DaVinci Code now on The Church Channel.

[lmorovan]

Post deleted from a Christian board by a Christian:

Posted by: lmorovan
In reply to: 1OFHIS who wrote msg# 6321
Date:5/30/2006 1:08:41 AM
Post #of 6323

No, M'am, Mrs. holy spirit, you speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Anyone else who does not agree with Your holiness, is wrong, ignorant, uneducated and probably have an agenda.

[lmorovan]

Tribulation Force on TBN, now.

[lmorovan]

There are only three ways of doing things: do it right, do it wrong and do nothing.

The Holy Spirit will compel you to do right.

Satan will compel you to do wrong. And if it doesn't work, he will compel you to do nothing.

[lmorovan]

Free will is incompatible with the Sovereignty of God.

[lmorovan]

You need a good theologian to confuse the heck out of plain concepts and teachings, LOL.

[lmorovan]

Paula White on TBN

[lmorovan]

Captured by Grace with David Jeremiah on The Church Channel