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Yes, that's right. The "shares held at DTC" are the float, approximately. It's possible there're some additional free trading shares held in certificate form. That would only happen if the owner(s) of those certs didn't deposit them with their brokers. Or if their brokers refused to accept them for deposit.
The street name shares of ALL companies are held by CEDE.
Here's an explanation from a ihubber
He may not be right, though....
bfly, the dtc sheets aka security position reports will show EXACTLY how many shares are held in dtc.....these are the shares held in street name by all brokers.......its the best method to determine the true and authentic float that can be traded daily.....
as an example.......say for instance the xfr agent is showing 60mil shares in the i/o......some of that may be held in free trading shares, but in CERT form.......so yes, its in the float and yes, it may be free trading.......but because its in cert form......its NOT in a brokerage account.....not in street name and would NOT show up on the DTC sheets.......therefore in that case, the float may be smaller than what the xfr agent is saying......another example would be: i/o may in fact be more than what is shown by the xfr agent if those certs have recently been deposited.........
security position report is the ONLY way to go! he can get a snapshot EVERY week on the activity for each day of the week
it will cost him $150/month.......someone buy 20 apps from him and tell him to get it done!
you guys ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY need to know where you stand!!!!!i would INSIST on it!!!!!!
do you need the info on how to apply again?
mikey
And they are part of the float in those 107 Million shares?
That doesn't make sense, unless they weren't traded till NOW
Not user friendly....lol
Not surprised.
They are as good as all those OTC CEOs
There is no point at all in calling DTC. They are not user-friendly. But "shares held at DTC" are the share held in street name.
Worst thing is that they are paid for that...lol...
Friend of mine will try to have the whole thing explained from the TA
And if not satisfied, he will call DTC, or one of their 100s of offices...lol...
lol, I agree. In some cases the new system fails to clarify.
Those numbers were recently updated by the TA if really trustable
Many of those shares restricted are from preffereds also....
So they have a ratio of conversion...
I think that the real float should be around 25 Millions from what i've been able to see about what those "held at dtc" mean...
Aren't they supposed to help us getting a clear picture instead of implementing new rules that almost nobody can really understand???
No wonder the mexicans f**** the whole system last year...lol...
No. Trouble is, the float number is from a year ago, while all the other numbers are from the end of May 2017.
But the "held at DTC" figure should be the shares on deposit with CEDE, DTCC's nominee company. That is, they should be all the shares held in street name. So why is the "unrestricted" number 108 million? I suppose it's possible that in the past year, about 25 million shares came off restriction. If so, they're probably at CEDE now, unless the owners decided to keep their certs, or couldn't get them cleared.
Well if they are tradable, i have some problems to calculate the exact float of this ticker here:
The float cannot be 107 Million imo, cuz the company did a 1/50 RS in 2012, and the volume since 5 years doesn't match with that kind of float
DTC website explanation of "held at DTC" suggest that those shares will be added to the float only when they are really traded...
If my maths understanding is right, the present float would be 107 Million - 82 Million to equal around 25 Million
Right or Wrong???
TIA
Not in the OTC.
Thanks a lot Janice
Exactly what i thought
Read that sometimes they do that prior of a merger or when an institional buyer has many shares
They're tradable shares; shares held in street name and deposited at CEDE.
Question for a DTC specialist here:
Would like to know the meaning of the number of shares HELD AT DTC, that we see pretty often when we check the OTC website to know what that SS of a ticker is....
Are those shares NOT tradable due to a kind of holding by the DTC????
That's what I thought, as that's what I've been seeing. Thanks.
Since March 2012 the "chill" has very little impact other than a few brokers restricting purchase of shares of those tickers. Only the Global Lock carries real trading restrictions that completely stop them from trading.
Hi Big. Can you explain the problem companies face when their stock gets chilled? I see that GCRU was chilled back in February but it doesn't seem to have affected trading any.
Is $50 Billion the Price of Repo Safety?
A firm at the center of the U.S. financial plumbing is seeking $50 billion in commitments from banks and trading firms to shore up a crucial but increasingly illiquid short-term lending market, according to people familiar with the market discussions.
Depository Trust & Clearing Corp. wants its members to support the multibillion-dollar credit line to bolster the finances of a unit called Fixed Income Clearing Corp. , which facilitates trades in the $2.6 trillion repo market, the people said.
Repos, or repurchase agreements, are short-term loans secured by U.S. Treasurys and other bonds. They play a critical role in the financial system by keeping cash and securities circulating among hedge funds, investment banks and other financial firms.
Regulators at the Federal Reserve and the Securities and Exchange Commission are pushing DTCC, which operates the U.S. repo market's only clearinghouse, to bolster the unit's credit backstop, said people familiar with the matter. Some said the regulators believe the DTCC unit's resources aren't enough to cover a large default that would threaten to cause repo lending to seize up.
Regulators have pushed to expand the use of clearinghouses since the 2008 financial crisis in a bid to prevent a recurrence of the panic that followed the failure of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. Clearinghouses pool capital from their members and assume the risk of a default, potentially limiting damaging "fire sales" of collateral in the event a major participant becomes insolvent.
"DTCC is currently working with its regulators and our clients" on a proposal that aims to ensure its unit "has sufficient backstop liquidity resources," Timothy Cuddihy , managing director in enterprise risk management at DTCC, said in an e-mailed statement. He said the plan seeks to be "aligned with U.S. and international regulatory standards and will protect the clearinghouse and its membership from future defaults."
The DTCC unit's proposal is the latest twist in a yearslong struggle to reduce risks in the repo market. Analysts warn that vulnerable repo markets could make it harder to buy and sell securities underlying the trades, a key concern at a time when the Fed is preparing to raise short-term interest rates for the first time since 2006.
Liquidity in the market is declining in part because trading requires banks to tie up a lot of capital, hurting their overall returns. Morgan Stanley's repo books contracted 47% last year, The Wall Street Journal reported in April. Goldman Sachs Group Inc.'s shrank by 46% last year to their lowest levels since November 2008 , regulatory filings show.
Traders said such declines are contributing to unusual swings in government-bond prices and raising concerns about the sorts of disruptions that haven't been felt since 2008. Some of them warn changes in the repo markets are already making it harder to buy and sell U.S. Treasurys at a time when U.S. regulatory agencies are paying increasing attention to such gyrations.
While the credit facility at the clearinghouse would add new costs, it would take risks away from the banks and let them reduce their capital charges, traders said.
"Expanded repo clearing could potentially bring a range of benefits," said Fed governor Jerome Powell at a conference last month in New York .
The amount and terms of the DTCC's proposal are confidential and could yet change, said people familiar with it. The plan already has fueled a clash between the largest banks that historically dominated repo trading and the smaller securities dealers that also are members of the DTCC unit.
Smaller members have balked at sharing the costs of the new credit facility, and some have warned they may have to drop out of the clearinghouse. Traders said such an exodus could concentrate risk among the remaining members and threaten the clearinghouse's ability to make good on a defaulter's financial obligations.
"To force a facility of that size on all dealers, banks and otherwise, could force some dealers to leave DTCC, reducing liquidity in the bond market," said James Tabacchi , president at South Street Securities LLC , an independent broker dealer and member of the DTCC unit.
DTCC has been planning to expand its U.S. repo clearing services, and the talks foreshadow its plans to seek SEC approval for the credit facility early next year, said people familiar with the company's plans.
Member firms are haggling over how much of the facility they will cover, said people familiar with the talks. The DTCC repo clearinghouse has more than 100 members, and the proposed allocation of the costs has changed at least three times, some of the people said. The latest plan would have banks and broker-dealers affiliated with banks shoulder more of the burden.
DTCC isn't asking for the cash upfront. Rather, firms would incorporate the funds into their planning for stressed market scenarios.
Officials at the clearer have told members they may not need such a large amount if dealers change some practices, for example by lending for shorter periods.
"The proposed facility will certainly create additional costs, but we feel these are far outweighed by the broad benefits of maintaining a stable and robust repo clearinghouse and, by extension, a healthier repo market," said Joe Noto , a managing director in the treasury department at $25 billion hedge fund firm Citadel LLC , whose securities arm is a DTCC member.
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12-09-15 1916ET
Copyright (c) 2015 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
It is a little premature to say how this CRGP story will end Goodnight.
The only entity that "helped" was the Transfer Agent and that is it. It is over as far as who perpetuated it, it was all CRGP. That message was loud and clear when FINRA placed a "HALT" on the stock, that was the definitive moment that placed 100% certainty it was a scam.
As to not playing an active role as gatekeeper, surely you can add FINRA and the Brokers to the list. Marginally COR Clearing for assuming that brokers did their job, but by law they can do so as their business depends on good faith of their customers that have established history, SEC makes that abundantly clear.
Anything outside of that is pure conspiracy bullshit and not based on reality or the law for that matter.
This CRGP story is far from over and time will tell who help perpetuate this scam.
Based on what negligence? They only entities that were clearly negligent were the Transfer Agent and to some degree Nobilis and the other two brokerage firms. The TA is easy to prove negligent and then what?
The DTCC has no part in any of it, thus why the clearing firms are trying to get a court ruling for receivership, without that the DTCC isnt going to do squat for them.
The mere thought of suing the DTCC over what happened in CRGP is laughable, it is the equivalent to saying you are taking the Federal Reserve to court over what happened at your local bank.. good luck.
I would not be a bit surprised to see the DTCC and CORS Clearing get SUED in a CLASS ACTION for perpetuating the CRGP SCAM. IMO.
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from some recommendations.
i don't know if paid or not.
i have 15-k loser in just one halted trading.
but it is my fault not being aware.
because of this i am posting to stop scenario by about 4
SIRG
at one asked DTCC right or wrong.
stoa
zlus
and more.
anything asher recommendation was out.
sincerly
mick,
p.s. i thank you for quick response.
re;
No, it isn't fishy.
The company's bankruptcy petitions was dismissed, which will create new problems for it
again thank you lots,
No, it isn't fishy. The company's bankruptcy petitions was dismissed, which will create new problems for it.
hi my friend, little chat time if no mind.
what does SIRG SHOW FOR DTC FILINGS IF HAVE THEM
OR SYMBOL SIRGQ
Q REMOVED FRIDAY.
first filed for the Q then asked Q to be removed.
fishy ??????
MOU still pending
thank you for hearing me.
Nothing prevents trading, the problem is clearing, without DTCC services no clearing house will clear the transaction. Thus no trades occur, the brokers will not execute because the trade will not be cleared. So what volume is being recorded? It is from shareholders writing off the loss, FINRA requires the transaction be recorded to the tape. The broker executes the transaction and the shares are cleared through ex-clearing.
How can a stock that's locked have volume two days in a row? RCCH is what I'm specifically talking about.