Cit Grp. Pfd A (fka CIT-A)

[ToyotaMR2s]

we are dead...my broker just removed the CUSPID number from my acct. cuz it says it expired...POS...

[Apophis]

I agree but I am sure a class action will open soon.

It is unheard of to just cancel prefered shares because they are second in line from bondholders?

[Stock]

well, they just approved Thain as new boss.

not sure it will help the old preferred shareholders.

as far as i can tell, we're dead.

[Apophis]

US government will now have the right to walk in at any time and change management. They will now have an indefinate hold on CIT.

[marayatano]

I was going to ask what people got for their CVRs (since I did not own any). I thought most sold.

Thanks for the post and sorry for your loss.

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Treasury Recognizes $2.3B TARP Loss From CIT Group

WallStreetJoutrnal.com
Meena Thiruvengadam
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
Feb. 11, 2010

U.S. taxpayers' $2.3 billion stake in CIT Group Inc. (CIT) has officially been wiped out.

The U.S. Treasury recognized the loss, which was widely expected, in a report released Wednesday.

The Treasury provided the commercial lender with funds from the Troubled Asset Relief Program in December 2008, but CIT Group still ended up undergoing a bankruptcy reorganization by the end of 2009.

Despite the CIT Group loss and other likely taxpayer losses, the Treasury expects the cost of TARP will continue to fall from the just under $120 billion at which it now stands. The Treasury is expecting its losses on financial sector rescue efforts to largely stem from aid provided to domestic auto makers, American International Group (AIG) and government sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE).

"If Congress joins the President in adopting a Financial Crisis Responsibility Fee, Americans will not have to pay one cent for TARP," Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said in a statement released separately Wednesday.

Treasury is expecting to turn a profit on aid provided directly to the banking sector and on Wednesday said it had received a $7.6 billion TARP repayment from PNC Bank (PNC). Including the PNC transaction, banks have so far repaid $173 billion in capital borrowed from the Treasury.

Treasury made both announcements during a government shutdown in response to the area's second severe winter storm in a week.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100210-719446.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines

[Stock]

The End.

Nobody posted this. So I figured I would.

CIT To Prepay $750 Million of Debt
Contingent Value Rights Expire

NEW YORK, Feb 08, 2010 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- CIT Group Inc. (NYSE: CIT), a leading provider of financing to small businesses and middle market companies, today announced that its Board of Directors has authorized the voluntary prepayment of $750 million on its $7.5 billion first lien credit facility. The Company will prepay this high cost debt out of its available holding company cash position, which is in excess of $5 billion. The repayment will be made on February 9, 2010 on a pro rata basis among outstanding tranches and will be subject to the applicable 2% payment premium.

In addition, the Company announced that since the terms for distribution of common shares to holders of its Contingent Value Rights (CVRs) were not met as of the February 8, 2010 Measurement Date, they have expired without value.

http://ir.cit.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=99314&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1385066&highlight=

[sf]

yes, boy what it says for today's banks. when Thain is your #1 pick? this country is in for a world of hurt. and CIT settled for a leader. there was no one out there better? sounds like govt "helping" CIT setup their board. same old shuffle. same ole good ole boys getting taken care of. nothing new to see here.

[Apophis]

Was he the guy that bought the $160,000 toilet in that office renovation at ML?

[Stock]

CIT names ex-Merrill CEO Thain as chairman, CEO

CIT Group names former Merrill Lynch CEO John Thain to lead as chairman and CEO of lender

By Jennifer Malloy, AP Business Writer , On Sunday February 7, 2010, 11:24 pm EST

NEW YORK (AP) -- CIT Group said Sunday it has chosen former Merrill Lynch CEO John Thain to lead the company as chairman and CEO as the commercial lender continues to restructure its business following a brief stay in bankruptcy protection last year...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/CIT-names-exMerrill-CEO-Thain-apf-1424561411.html?x=0&.v=7

[Apophis]

Just email this story to all the news reporters.

They are going to love thrashing this company if they end up screwing the taxpayers.


just adding to:

usdebtclock.org

[sf]

do you know what the cit stock has to trade to for the trigger to happen for CITprG? they have until feb 12th right? thats 60 days.

[Apophis]

You will hear this all over the media if this company
screws the public out of the TARP/taxpayers money. The PR
will be very bad in years to come and most big retailers
may choose not to be associated with them.

[sf]

my cit commons were cancelled entirely. but my cit-a were not zero'd out and are pending CITprG. when should we hear something about this stock? is it around feb 8th?

[mlkrborn]

Apophis
i agree..

[Apophis]

CIT recieved 4 billion in tax payers TARP money and this is being closely watched by washington. The government did not just hand out this money, companies had to sign for it. They have the right to step in and fire SR management and be entitled to 75% of the common stock. The media will go ballistic if the Gov. pfd gets nothing for its shares.

[Apophis]

Better be something for us A's and the government prefered? The public will be screeming murder if they are left out to dry.

[Apophis]

If on a long shot there is some value for the pfd,
it will most likely be converted to common stock?

The good thing is what ever they do for the gov. pfd they have to do for pfd A shares. They are in par with gov. shares?


If not I think we got a class action suit here

[Stock]

yes, it stopped trading some time ago. just waiting for february 8th

#msg-44382214

[Apophis]

no volume, has this stopped trading?

[Stock]

As far as I know, nothing has changed.

#msg-44451896

[sf]

what does the share price have to stay at for the cvr's to payout? and isnt the date for the cvr's feb 8th?

[Stock]

CIT new common is at 31.50

[Apophis]

Nothing going on with this nightmare so far this year?

[lucmariepierre]

in reality nobody know the value of the CVR

we need to waid 8 february

[Stock]

bankruptcy proceedings are rarely cookie-cutter deals. they are all different.

the court documents are linked here...read a few posts if you want to dig into the details.

[mlkrborn]

Generic; thnx ! Could same thing would happen to VSTNQ, UCBHQ,ADVNAQ,ADVNBQ? Never experienced in Q plays! Following footsteps!
TIA
GL

[Stock]

the common citGQ canceled with nothing. no value.

the preferred shares cancelled with "contingent value rights" to be determined some time around February 11, 2010.

this stock doesn't trade any more, so you can't quote it.

those that have it in their account basically have a CUSIP that has no public trading market, and until the CVR is known, has no known payout value.

if there are CVR, the payout could be NEW shares, could be cash, or donuts, left over Christmas cookies, could be anything. don't know what will happen. will just have to wait until February.

[mlkrborn]

Generic; What is the difference? which one holding? what happens with previous common with Q and preferred A after there is "new" CIT? Where do you get quote for "oldies"
tia
GL

[Jean01234]

Post from yahoo

On December 10, 2009, the Company closed its issuance of approximately $21.04 billion principal amount of its 7.0% Series A Second-Priority Secured Notes due each year from 2013 to 2017 (the "Series A Notes") and Delaware Funding closed its issuance of approximately $2.15 billion principal amount of its 10.25% Series B.


and bondholders owned 100% of new commons

[Joe Stocks]

All I see is zeros for the common.

[Stock]

Look at the common shares out to the right on the bond list in the link I posted

Am I reading it wrong?

[Joe Stocks]

Are the bonds received convertible? I did not know that.

Lots of things can happen in 60 days and what ever does we really can't do much about. All we can do is sit back and wait. Whatever happens the next day after the sixty days are up we will just have to move on - hopefully a little richer, but surely more wiser. <VBG>

The Serenity Prayer
GOD, grant me the serenity
to accept the things
I cannot change,
Courage to change the
things I can, and the
wisdom to know the difference.

[Stock]

Just a guess, but it looks like all the bondholders are converting and dumping shares, and the prospects for the new CIT Group common seeing an elevated enough level to help us out much here is grim.

If today's selling rampage was an indication, I doubt the new common will see $40 any time in the 60 day window.

Yet more proof that bond traders rule, and equity traders drool.

Page 10:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjMzNzB8Q2hpbGRJRD0tMXxUeXBlPTM=&t=1

Planned Securities Distribution by CUSIP

Class 15 - Old Preferred Interests
125581207 Series A Preferred Stock Yes
125581306 Series B Preferred Stock Yes
125581603 Series C Preferred Stock Yes
NA Series D Preferred Stock Yes

From:

http://ir.cit.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=99314&p=irol-IRHome

[Stock]

same one i got

[Jean01234]

from my broker
The company CIT GROUP INC is exiting bankruptcy as the creditors to the company have accepted the company's plan of reorganization and the company has emerged from bankruptcy effective 12/11/2009. According to a press release from the company, the Company¿s existing common and preferred stock, along with all non-reinstated debt, will be canceled effective upon consummation of the Plan. While we have not yet received an official indication, it is not expected that common shareholders of CIT GROUP INC (CITBQ) will receive a distribution as part of this emergence from bankruptcy. For further inquiry, we recommend contacting the investor relations department of the company at 1-866-54CITIR (542-4847) or [e-mail]. At this time we have no plans of removing the positions from any accounts. Please contact us again if you have any additional questions.

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http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjMzNzB8Q2hpbGRJRD0tMXxUeXBlPTM=&t=1

Planned Securities Distribution by CUSIP

Class 15 - Old Preferred Interests
125581207 Series A Preferred Stock Yes
125581306 Series B Preferred Stock Yes
125581603 Series C Preferred Stock Yes
NA Series D Preferred Stock Yes

From:

http://ir.cit.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=99314&p=irol-IRHome

[Jean01234]

Yup same here..

[Stock]

N/A showing here... with that CUSIP

i have emails here telling me they did not wipe the position from my account

[Jean01234]

Showing balance $0 now..

[Stock]

CUSIP: 125581207
Description: CIT GROUP 6.35% SRS A

12/10/09 Delisting 125581207 (CITBQ)125581207 (CITBQ) to 125581207

[sf]

obviously so. i certainly didnt get anywhere with him.

[sf]

joe, what is the benchmark they have to hit and sustain for the 10 days for the old pref to see cvr's worth anything? and what would that worth be a percentage or full payout?

[Stock]

That makes my head hurt

[Joe Stocks]

The measurement date is Feb 8th. This excerpt comes from the plan of reorganization:

1.67 “Fair Market Value” means, with respect to any security as of the applicable Measurement Date, (i) in the case of New Common Interests, (x) if such security is listed or traded on a national securities exchange for at least 10 consecutive Trading Days, the daily volume-weighted average price of such security for the 10 consecutive Trading Days immediately preceding the Measurement Date as reported by Bloomberg, L.P. (or, if no such price is reported by Bloomberg, L.P. for any particular Trading Day during such 10-Trading Day period, the daily volume-weighted average price of such security as officially reported for such Trading Day on the principal securities exchange on which such security is then listed or admitted to trading shall be used for purposes of calculating such 10-day volume-weighted average price), or (y) if such security is not listed or admitted to trading on any national securities exchange for at least 10 consecutive Trading Days, the fair market value of such security as reasonably determined by the Disbursing Agent, after consultation with a financial advisor, on the basis of such information as it considers appropriate (without regard to any illiquidity or minority discounts) and (ii) in the case of the New Notes, (A) if bid and ask quotations for such security are readily available and the Disbursing Agent, after consultation with a financial advisor, determines such quotations are a reliable indicator of the value of such security, the average of the daily bid and ask quotations of such securities for the 10 consecutive Trading Days immediately preceding the applicable Measurement Date, or (B) if bid and ask quotations for such security are not readily available or the Disbursing Agent, after consultation with a financial advisor, determines such quotations are not a reliable indicator of value, the fair market value of such security as reasonably determined by the Disbursing Agent, after consultation with a financial advisor, on the basis of such information as it considers appropriate.

[Stock]

the people to trust are in the back office - reorg and dividends... they process this kind of junk all the time

[sf]

he's the manager at scottrade office! he didnt even know about wampq either. or he is playing stupid. i think he's playing stupid since the president of scottrade is on the board of NITE.

[Stock]

this situation is rare, very rare, so you have to not take the first person you talk to as an expert...

[sf]

he works for scottrade. he was acting stupid.

[Stock]

i still dont know what price we have to hit to trigger the cvr's

I don't know

and if it has to trade at that price for the whole 60 days or once it hits the trigger price then it converts for us.

I don't know.

-- I just kind of took a little flyer on this that there would be some recovery when all is said and done.

I think we need a shareprice above 40 to get anything at all, but I am not 100% on that. I'm just not smart enough to do the math