Bureau of Informational and Intelligent Affairs (BIIA)

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BIIA - Value: $0.0000 Change: 0 Change(%): (0.00) Bid: 0.0000 Ask: 0.0000 Volume: 0

http://www.pcquote.com/stocks/QuoteDirect.php?ticker=biia http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/quote.jsp?symbol=biia

"..................gooooooooooooooooood grief..".

[Joemoney]

iHub Stats (part 1)

Post Count - Date

10k - 9/19/00
20k - 11/1/00
30k - 12/26/00
40k - 1/23/01
50k - 2/20/01
60k - 3/15/01
70k - 4/2/01
80k - 4/18/01
90k - 4/30/01
100k - 5/11/01
110k - 5/21/01
120k - 6/4/01
130k - 6/19/01
140k - 7/8/01
150014 - 7/25/01
160001 - 8/13/01
170k - 8/27/01
180001 - 9/10/01
190k - 9/28/01
200k - 10/18/01
210k - 11/8/01
220k - 12/4/01
230001 - 12/21/01
240k - 1/7/02
250k - 1/17/02
260k - 1/30/02
270k - 2/10/02
280k - 2/20/02
290002 - 3/1/02
300k - 3/12/02
310k - 3/21/02
320k - 4/1/02
330k - 4/12/02
340k - 4/25/02
350k - 5/7/02
360003 - 5/18/02
370k - 5/30/02
380k - 6/10/02
390k - 6/19/02
400k - 7/1/02
410k - 7/10/02
420k - 7/17/02
430k - 7/24/02
440001 - 7/31/02
450k - 8/7/02
460k - 8/15/02

[Joemoney]

New Project: iHub Stats

Coming soon.

[Joemoney]

Crackers against Smut

~
By Fravia+, Updated November 1997
Page severely under construction...


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What is combing?
Combing is a very effective search strategy: instead of simply searching, you use various other net resources:

-The continuously updated "Top 100" or "Top 1000" URL-locations
-Usenet newsgroups and their various "vigilant filters" and "short range queries"
-Relevant site links pages.

Obviously combing is an important technique for whatever interest you may have, quite useful in order to spare an incredible lot of Internet searching hours.
We'll use it here to wage battle against our "commercial smut" enemies, but you would be well advised to learn it and use it for *any* interest you may have...


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Case study, combing commercial smut depots
death to the pornodealers

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Warning: you better set the option "autoload images" OFF inside your Netscape settings, else you'll pretty soon regret having accessed this kind of sites... you will not loose anything... NONE of the images they carry is worth loading... should you really want nice "sexually explicit" images (for free of course, and please excuse the pathetic euphemism), then visit the many artists that expose their own work on the net... on the sites we are going to destroy (see how in the CGI-reverse engineering page) you'll not even find any "pornography" whatsoever, only fetid smut.


Let's start with a typical "combing" approach, I will not hyperlink because I do not want this site spidered along these links, but you may cut and paste the following URLs:
Top1000 counter
http://www.hitbox.com/wc/world2.html ;TOP1000 "normal", example for useful combing
http://www.hitbox.com/wc/adult.html ;TOP1000 "adult", main entrance
http://www.hitbox.com/wc/top10.adult.html ;top 10 smut commercial
http://www.hitbox.com/wc/top2100.adult.html ;top > 2100... understand the "name"
;approach
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Webcounter
http://www.digits.com/top/both_adult_100.html ;top site has here "only" 540000 a day
http://www.digits.com/top/comm_adult_100.html ;top site has here "only" 124000 a day
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Etcetera... you understand the trick now... here are some other ones
various smut counters:

http://www.xxxcounter.com/home/
http://www.web21.com/
http://www.sexhound.com/index.cgi?from=16818 this one uses CGI!

I do not want this page catalogued inside the smut information retrievers, therefore the above links are not hyperlinked... cut and paste them in order to use them.


For combing purposes you may also use:
1) the usual search engines (which give incredible results at time!)
2) ftp search, looking for "hidden" subdirectories with relevant names
3) the "big page provider" search engines (like the ones on geocities or mygale)


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As you can see from the above short information,
1.1) many "counters' statistics" betray quite a lot of useful information... if, for instance, you are interested in jellyfishes (it's an example!) you would be well advised, instead of searching the web for ages, to have a quick look at all the pages that inside the counters' statistics, fall under the counter's main categories "biology" or "science"... pretty soon you would find the "golden link" you were looking for...
1.2) We need MANY addresses of SMUT dealers in order to find the many that utilise a CGI-script (or other attackpoints) in order to know "from which site" they got the query... as you'll see on the cgi reverse engineering page of this section, this opens the way to their doom!
2) As anybody that uses ftp search ("This server is located in Trondheim, Norway") already knows, the ftp search approach (that fishes hidden directories) can fish incredible (if tricky to interpret) results.
3) For other combing purposes (not for smut dealers, of course) you may use also the search systems specific to the big free pages providers...have a search at and you'll understand what I mean

Combing on the Usenet

Usenet combing can work "on the fly" or "regularly" through the "Vigilant" filter at

[e-mail]
I'll show you for instance one of my queries:
FIND how-to-search tutorial manual
NOT spam
NOT top position
NOT advertising
MAX 8
Such a query would give you useful information about "searching techniques" on the Web, you may of course construct how many queries you like and *register* (for free) by the vigilant filter, in order to get the results of your usenet queries emailed to you every day or week or month.

Usenet query can also be done through the two big Usenet "depots": Dejanews and email query, that are explained elsewhere on my site.
Many of the main search engines allow such querying too, using the services of either Dejanews or emailquery.





Good luck, good hunt!

[Joemoney]

Message Definitions

**Please note. The following information is not for public use, but it is information that I am using to write an article. It is in it's early stages of coherantness, so don't expect any works of literary art here. I'll touch it up when I put it in an article format.

Promotional - This is when a post is posted to promote a certain company or product. The person who posts it is usually informing others about his/her own investments in a short, brief post with little information. On a few occasions, the poster may have a secret agenda (pump and dump, ect.), but typically does not. It is estimated that about 5-10% of all promotional posts on iHub are pump and dumps.

Informational - An informational post is a post that contains news, a PR, or links to research sites that was posted without anyone requesting such information. A informational post may have a secret agenda, but typically does not. This type of post is also restricted to only non-specific stock threads. It is considered a nuisance on a non-specific stock thread, but helpful when the thread is dedicated to the subject at hand. This type of post is typically not spammed and does not appear to be promoting any stock.

Informational Promotion - An informational promotion post is when news, a PR, or research is posted for the purpose of letting others, who didn't request such information, know about a stock. This type of post is a combination of an "Informational" and a "Promotional" post. This type of post runs a higher risk of have a secret agenda attached to it. This type of post is also typically spammed from one non-specific thread to another. People who spam news, typically have secret agendas. This type of post is indeed appears to be trying to promote a certain stock.

I plan to categorize every type of post possible. I will be researching, pondering, and then writing more message definitions soon for my article. Please again note that this article is in it's early stages of development and will be extensive and revealing in nature.

[Joemoney]

STEVE MAREK (UPDATED)

The game has just ended fool. You've been cut off. Don't bother to write back. You're boring me. You are on "Block sender."
We just came back from a dinner that easily outdistances your entire monthly eating expense. Eat your heart out sucker! We made it and you never will. Ha ha ha! You are clueless. You are a jerk who couldn't make it in the stock promotion business and you are jealous of your Superior. The game is over for you. You are a fool.

I "transferred" this business a few months ago to a female in Europe. You are bugging the wrong person. I am a consultant who has entered semi-retirement having made millions in a field that you failed at.

Yes I live on a boat, you idiot. And it's worth 20 times that box on Main Street you call home. You are a failure. Admit it!

Dominic and I laughed at you three years ago and we're still laughing!

You and that fraud Matt Brown are "birds of a feather." Two "small time idiots" going NOWHERE!

And IF some smart folks found a way to post whatever they so chose to post on IH, guess what, jerk? They will continue to do so. Just ask "The lady in Europe." Ha ha ha. Neither you nor that fraud Brown can do a damn thing about it. Oh, you can? Good, let's see it, schmucks!

Hee Hee, we're off to the Bahamas now. Eat your hearts out, dopes!

----- Original Message -----
From: MarketReporter.com
To: Happy Boat Man
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek


Steevey, why won't you play with me?

----- Original Message -----
From: Happy Boat Man
To: MarketReporter.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

Stop with the vulgarity. I do not deal in such. You're conversing with a man with a Superior education and class. So don't expect me to lower myself to your decadent standards.

Now if a person or persons should take it upon themselves to mention on a PUBLIC message board that they happen to like a given web site, I see NOTHING wrong with that! That's called freedom of speech.

The post you refer to does not try to push Viagra, weight loss, or how to grow a 10 foot penis. It is very much stock market related. Is it not? I didn't post it so I accept no responsibility for it. But I surely don't see anything wrong with it, and that's my personal opinion. Now if you don't like it, then simply gloss over it and move to a post you do like.

You need to calm down or attend "anger counseling."

Now the air temp is 84, the water temp is 78 and the fish are biting. So go start a war with someone else. I'm not interested.

----- Original Message -----
From: MarketReporter.com
To: Happy Boat Man
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

You're doing the same thing you did with Matt Brown, you're playing stupid and telling lies about your own knowledge of the situation. You know what I'm talking about.

And if you don't remember Matt Brown, how can you remember the details of what he said? You apparently do.

And how can you spam? You or one of your associates probably set up your own domain and use POP3 accounts to create new email accounts. That's how it's done.

" I went to the site and see no messages that you are referring to. So where are they? Let's see some evidence."

You LIE. I gave you the link and you either didn't follow it, or choose to lie about it.

Here is the link to the actual spam: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=453842

Don't tell me that you don't know anything about that site or the person who posted it, because you do.

Quit playing your bullshit games with me.

----- Original Message -----
From: Happy Boat Man
To: MarketReporter.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

I just finished telling you I live on a boat. Yes I do. And I don't live in Orlando.

Now what is this foolishness? You expect to remember some guy named Brown from a YEAR ago? Sorry I did not remember him when you asked me. Why should I? Cause he's some fraud who admits on his web site that he blatantly lied when he contacted me? I have no need to remember such folks. Too many liars in this industry already.

Now get to the piont, I am a busy man. Busy fishing today actually. I went to the site and see no messages that you are referring to. So where are they? Let's see some evidence.

Further, you neglected to answer my point: Since the site doesn't offer free e-mail accounts then just how could anyone be "spamming?" (your word).

----- Original Message -----
From: MarketReporter.com
To: Happy Boat Man
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

Dr. Steve Marek, you pay people to spam the threads. Don't play stupid with me, I've been watching you for over a year now and I know all about your IR business. Your people spam RB and iHub.

And you don't know who Matt Brown is?? Well please explain this: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=166797

And you live on a boat? I was told you live in Orlando, or at least have a office/home there.

DO NOT PLAY STUPID WITH ME. JUST QUIT YOUR SPAMMING.

----- Original Message -----
From: Happy Boat Man
To: MarketReporter.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

Hey relax. I live on a boat with a satellite connection to the Net. I haven't posted on ANY message boards in over a year. Matt Brown? Nope doesn't sound familiar.

Now I just went to InvestorsHub.com and I fail to see anything even remotely similar to what you're complaining about. So where is it?

Isn't this the web site that about a year ago shot itself in the foot by not accepting Hotmail accounts, etc.? If so then what is your complaint? Didn't the management specifically change to non-Hotmail type accounts for a reason? So if someone is "spamming" as you put it, wouldn't management have their non-free e-mail account addresses? Well do you see my personal e-mail address there? I have only have one non-free-mail account, and this be it!!

----- Original Message -----
From: MarketReporter.com
To: Happy Boat Man
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

Don't play games with me.

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=453842

InvestorsHub.com with Matt Brown...I think you know him.

----- Original Message -----
From: Happy Boat Man
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

Huh? What's ihub? I don't believe I am familiar with this.


----- Original Message -----
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:12 PM
Subject: Steve Marek


I would like to politely ask you and your spammers to quit spamming iHub with your stupid hype sites.

Thank You.

[Joemoney]

MY RECENT CONVERSATION WITH STEVE MAREK

Start at the bottom and read upwards

He hasn't replied to the most recent email by myself, which is the top one posted here.

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"You're conversing with a man with a Superior education and class."

Who lives in a boat? Yeah, ok.

"Now if a person or persons should take it upon themselves to mention on a PUBLIC message board that they happen to like a given web site, I see NOTHING wrong with that! That's called freedom of speech."

That's the excuse all spammers use, and you know you paid that guy to post that message. Steve Marek, AKA, Greg Poston, you're still playing games with me.

Hey, remember back in April when the SEC filed a court action against you and your spam buddy, Dominec Roelandt?? Weren't you order to pay back 100k in illegal profits and a 100k civil penalty? I guess you really are a crook AND a spammer. Is that why you moved out the US? So they couldn't catch you? Is that why you're still hyping stocks? You claim to have a Ph.d, but you're just a petty stock hyper. Yeah, you're real superior.

Don't play stupid with me, you're dealing with far great intelligence - but most important, FAR great common sense. So quit playing your bullshit games, and tell your POS hyper gnomes you STAY OFF OF INVESTORSHUB.COM!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Happy Boat Man
To: MarketReporter.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

Stop with the vulgarity. I do not deal in such. You're conversing with a man with a Superior education and class. So don't expect me to lower myself to your decadent standards.

Now if a person or persons should take it upon themselves to mention on a PUBLIC message board that they happen to like a given web site, I see NOTHING wrong with that! That's called freedom of speech.

The post you refer to does not try to push Viagra, weight loss, or how to grow a 10 foot penis. It is very much stock market related. Is it not? I didn't post it so I accept no responsibility for it. But I surely don't see anything wrong with it, and that's my personal opinion. Now if you don't like it, then simply gloss over it and move to a post you do like.

You need to calm down or attend "anger counseling."

Now the air temp is 84, the water temp is 78 and the fish are biting. So go start a war with someone else. I'm not interested.

----- Original Message -----
From: MarketReporter.com
To: Happy Boat Man
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

You're doing the same thing you did with Matt Brown, you're playing stupid and telling lies about your own knowledge of the situation. You know what I'm talking about.

And if you don't remember Matt Brown, how can you remember the details of what he said? You apparently do.

And how can you spam? You or one of your associates probably set up your own domain and use POP3 accounts to create new email accounts. That's how it's done.

" I went to the site and see no messages that you are referring to. So where are they? Let's see some evidence."

You LIE. I gave you the link and you either didn't follow it, or choose to lie about it.

Here is the link to the actual spam: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=453842

Don't tell me that you don't know anything about that site or the person who posted it, because you do.

Quit playing your bullshit games with me.

----- Original Message -----
From: Happy Boat Man
To: MarketReporter.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

I just finished telling you I live on a boat. Yes I do. And I don't live in Orlando.

Now what is this foolishness? You expect to remember some guy named Brown from a YEAR ago? Sorry I did not remember him when you asked me. Why should I? Cause he's some fraud who admits on his web site that he blatantly lied when he contacted me? I have no need to remember such folks. Too many liars in this industry already.

Now get to the piont, I am a busy man. Busy fishing today actually. I went to the site and see no messages that you are referring to. So where are they? Let's see some evidence.

Further, you neglected to answer my point: Since the site doesn't offer free e-mail accounts then just how could anyone be "spamming?" (your word).

----- Original Message -----
From: MarketReporter.com
To: Happy Boat Man
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

Dr. Steve Marek, you pay people to spam the threads. Don't play stupid with me, I've been watching you for over a year now and I know all about your IR business. Your people spam RB and iHub.

And you don't know who Matt Brown is?? Well please explain this: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=166797

And you live on a boat? I was told you live in Orlando, or at least have a office/home there.

DO NOT PLAY STUPID WITH ME. JUST QUIT YOUR SPAMMING.

----- Original Message -----
From: Happy Boat Man
To: MarketReporter.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

Hey relax. I live on a boat with a satellite connection to the Net. I haven't posted on ANY message boards in over a year. Matt Brown? Nope doesn't sound familiar.

Now I just went to InvestorsHub.com and I fail to see anything even remotely similar to what you're complaining about. So where is it?

Isn't this the web site that about a year ago shot itself in the foot by not accepting Hotmail accounts, etc.? If so then what is your complaint? Didn't the management specifically change to non-Hotmail type accounts for a reason? So if someone is "spamming" as you put it, wouldn't management have their non-free e-mail account addresses? Well do you see my personal e-mail address there? I have only have one non-free-mail account, and this be it!!

----- Original Message -----
From: MarketReporter.com
To: Happy Boat Man
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

Don't play games with me.

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=453842

InvestorsHub.com with Matt Brown...I think you know him.

----- Original Message -----
From: Happy Boat Man
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Marek

Huh? What's ihub? I don't believe I am familiar with this.


----- Original Message -----
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:12 PM
Subject: Steve Marek


I would like to politely ask you and your spammers to quit spamming iHub with your stupid hype sites.

Thank You.

[Joemoney]

I will be having a serious talk with Matt about you.

And do NOT post on any of my threads.

[Joemoney]

My suspensions (updated, added 6/25/02 - 7/20/02)

4/??/01 - 4/??/01
Reason: Attacks on Bob. I was a political prisoner!

7/22/01 - 8/4/01
Reason: Unknown. Not enough documentation.

8/30/01 - 8/31/01
Reason: Insulting others.

9/3/01 - 9/4/01
Reason: Inappropriate language.

12/23/01 - 12/24/01
Reason: Insulting others.

12/27/01 - 1/5/02
Reason: Insulting others, attacks.

NOTE: This was the suspension where Joemoney learned how to get around the suspension feature and post while suspended. His account was then disabled, thus blocking him from posting at all.

2/1/02 - 2/1/02
Reason: Fighting with jmhollen. Released the same day. It was his fault, not mine. =p

The Famous Suspension
2/25/02 - 3/1/02
Reason: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=284867

NOTE: During the suspension, an average of 132 posts per day occurred. On 2/27/02, the Jailhouse was the most popular thread on iHub. It had 335 posts that day and was the talk of the community. Matt then sentenced Joemoney to write him an essay on what it means to be a critical thinker. The essay can be found here: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=289002 It was responded to with praise. Joemoney was then released.

5/11/02 - 5/18/02
Reason: Insults, arguing, and an abundance non stock related posts.

NOTE: Joemoney was completely locked out of the site during this suspension, and Matt sentenced him to the 1:1 stock to BS post ratio. The first "parole" type punishment of it's kind.

6/25/02 - 7/20/02

Reason: Not playing nice. Longest suspension for Joemoney to date.

[Joemoney]

WAG Victories

8/5/02 - 8/9/02
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=453709

6/17/02 - 6/21/02
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=392273

5/28/02 - 5/31/02
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=373056

More archived victories pending further research.

[Joemoney]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

I about fell off my chair posting that, ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

[Joemoney]

So Alan, what do you think of iHub?

[Suppressed Sound Link]

LOL!!!! Just joshin ya cowboy Matt, LOL.

[Joemoney]

What's wrong with keeping track of my accomplishments?

Phar phar phar....sorry, I was impersonating the Phantom again. argh

[Mattu]

Yer one sick puppy, dood.

I really need to add my Admin notes per account. That way I can keep a rolling tab on this stuff. Probably help clean house better. Right now, relying on my feeble mind to remember everything.

P.S. Macs rule.

[Joemoney]

My suspensions (updated, added 2/1/02)

4/??/01 - 4/??/01
Reason: Attacks on Bob. I was a political prisoner!

7/22/01 - 8/4/01
Reason: Unknown. Not enough documentation.

8/30/01 - 8/31/01
Reason: Insulting others.

9/3/01 - 9/4/01
Reason: Inappropriate language.

12/23/01 - 12/24/01
Reason: Insulting others.

12/27/01 - 1/5/02
Reason: Insulting others, attacks.

NOTE: This was the suspension where Joemoney learned how to get around the suspension feature and post while suspended. His account was then disabled, thus blocking him from posting at all.

2/1/02 - 2/1/02
Reason: Fighting with jmhollen. Released the same day. It was his fault, not mine. =p

The Famous Suspension
2/25/02 - 3/1/02
Reason: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=284867

NOTE: During the suspension, an average of 132 posts per day occurred. On 2/27/02, the Jailhouse was the most popular thread on iHub. It had 335 posts that day and was the talk of the community. Matt then sentenced Joemoney to write him an essay on what it means to be a critical thinker. The essay can be found here: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=289002 It was responded to with praise. Joemoney was then released.

5/11/02 - 5/18/02
Reason: Insults, arguing, and an abundance non stock related posts.

NOTE: Joemoney was completely locked out of the site during this suspension, and Matt sentenced him to the 1:1 stock to BS post ratio. The first "parole" type punishment of it's kind.

[Joemoney]

MISC STATISTICS

Poster #1:
For the time period, June 1 - 16, 2002.

Stock Related Posts: 2

Non-Stock Related Posts: 35

Poster #2:
For the time period, June 1 - 16, 2002.

Stock Related Posts (excluding COMPX posts): 0

Stock Related Posts (including COMPX posts): 29

Non Stock Related Posts: 21

[Joemoney]

Top Member Post Counts.

As of 6/15/2002 5:21:13 AM

i_like_bb_stock 19955
Bernard Ng 9426
Muell 9101
Archangel 8194
xxrayeyes 7528
ezcomngo2 5668
Patsy 4492
SSP 4259
jmhollen 4258
Joemoney 4220
IH Admin (Matt) 4219
alexed 4163
jenna 4092

[Joemoney]

agenda
michael parness
trend trading to win
write article against him
he is a crook.

[MechanicalMethod]

> 36 hours without sleep is nothing


It will ruin your health.

[Joemoney]

I'll be back in a few hours ( about 4), I'ma take a little nap, being that I didn't even go to bed in the first place! LOL

36 hours without sleep is nothing. fuff.

[Joemoney]

1. The ability to delete old messages on private stock threads.
2. Chairmail, on and off switch.

[Joemoney]

Top Member Post Counts.

As of 6/11/2002 4:03:48 AM

i_like_bb_stock 19811
Bernard Ng 9384
Muell 9005
Archangel 8181
xxrayeyes 7479
ezcomngo2 5549
Patsy 4463
SSP 4187
jmhollen 4182
IH Admin (Matt) 4172
Joemoney 4166
alexed 4106
jenna 4092

New entrie(s): alexed

[Joemoney]

Welcome to the Bureau of Informational and Intelligent Affairs.

We welcome all visitors to the Bureau of Informational and Intelligent Affairs.

We here at the Bureau of Informational and Intelligent Affairs are dedicated to identifying intelligent information, facts, and opinions regarding InvestorsHub and all that relates to it. Our purpose to the better the site for all members and to provide the InvestorsHub administration with much needed intelligence (information) on many aspects of the site. Our goal is to become a beneficial organization within the Internet community and to help take InvestorsHub to the top.

We do not in anyway claim to speak for the InvestorsHub commonalty nor the InvestorsHub administration. We do not in any way represent the InvestorsHub administration or it's owners. We are an independant organization with no more authority than the common InvestorsHub user.

This thread is used for documentation and discussion regarding the documentation.

President & Chairman: Joemoney

iHub Related Statistics
Top Member Post Counts - #msg-373068 (6/3/02)
Top Thread Post Counts - #msg-373075 (6/3/02)

Related Threads
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[Joemoney]

Got rid of the security breach that allowed anyone to edit any message.

[Joemoney]

1. The ability to delete old messages on private stock threads.

[Joemoney]

MechanicalMethod, You are now banned from this thread. Every post you make from now on will be deleted.

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Don't get smart with me..

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MM, I can put out 100 posts in a day. I will be at 5k before the month's end.

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huh?

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What the hell are you doing? You're about to pass me. I log on, and I have 9 replies from you. What the hell are you trying to do?

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This thread was previously "Joemoney's Off-Topic Discussion" and "Joemoney Opens His Mouth."

It is now a new thread with a new idea behind it. More on this later....

[Joemoney]

TEST

[Joemoney]

This isn't going to work. I'm hitting the hay. Peace out night owls and early worms. Joey's goin to bed, I can't stay up as long as I used to.

[Joemoney]

yeah, I'm still up. Let's see if we can make it through the night and then on to the day. 36+ hours w/o sleep isn't easy, lol. =)

[Joemoney]

IV. Of the Origin and Use of Money

by Adam Smith (Wealth of Nations)

WHEN the division of labour has been once thoroughly established, it is but a very small part of a man’s wants which the produce of his own labour can supply. He supplies the far greater part of them by exchanging that surplus part of the produce of his own labour, which is over and above his own consumption, for such parts of the produce of other men’s labour as he has occasion for. Every man thus lives by exchanging, or becomes in some measure a merchant, and the society itself grows to be what is properly a commercial society.

But when the division of labour first began to take place, this power of exchanging must frequently have been very much clogged and embarrassed in its operations. One man, we shall suppose, has more of a certain commodity than he himself has occasion for, while another has less. The former consequently would be glad to dispose of, and the latter to purchase, a part of this superfluity. But if this latter should chance to have nothing that the former stands in need of, no exchange can be made between them. The butcher has more meat in his shop than he himself can consume, and the brewer and the baker would each of them be willing to purchase a part of it. But they have nothing to offer in exchange, except the different productions of their respective trades, and the butcher is already provided with all the bread and beer which he has immediate occasion for. No exchange can, in this case, be made between them. He cannot be their merchant, nor they his customers; and they are all of them thus mutually less serviceable to one another. In order to avoid the inconveniency of such situations, every prudent man in every period of society, after the first establishment of the division of labour, must naturally have endeavoured to manage his affairs in such a manner, as to have at all times by him, besides the peculiar produce of his own industry, a certain quantity of some one commodity or other, such as he imagined few people would be likely to refuse in exchange for the produce of their industry.

Many different commodities, it is probable, were successively both thought of and employed for this purpose. In the rude ages of society, cattle are said to have been the common instrument of commerce; and, though they must have been a most inconvenient one, yet in old times we find things were frequently valued according to the number of cattle which had been given in exchange for them. The armour of Diomede, says Homer, cost only nine oxen; but that of Glaucus cost an hundred oxen. Salt is said to be the common instrument of commerce and exchanges in Abyssinia; a species of shells in some parts of the coast of India; dried cod at Newfoundland; tobacco in Virginia; sugar in some of our West India colonies; hides or dressed leather in some other countries; and there is at this day a village in Scotland where it is not uncommon, I am told, for a workman to carry nails instead of money to the baker’s shop or the alehouse.

In all countries, however, men seem at last to have been determined by irresistible reasons to give the preference, for this employment, to metals above every other commodity. Metals can not only be kept with as little loss as any other commodity, scarce any thing being less perishable than they are, but they can likewise, without any loss, be divided into any number of parts, as by fusion those parts can easily be reunited again; a quality which no other equally durable commodities possess, and which more than any other quality renders them fit to be the instruments of commerce and circulation. The man who wanted to buy salt, for example, and had nothing but cattle to give in exchange for it, must have been obliged to buy salt to the value of a whole ox, or a whole sheep, at a time. He could seldom buy less than this, because what he was to give for it could seldom be divided without loss; and if he had a mind to buy more, he must, for the same reasons, have been obliged to buy double or triple the quantity, the value, to wit, of two or three oxen, or of two or three sheep. If on the contrary, instead of sheep or oxen, he had metals to give in exchange for it, he could easily proportion the quantity of the metal to the precise quantity of the commodity which he had immediate occasion for.

Different metals have been made use of by different nations for this purpose. Iron was the common instrument of commerce among the antient Spartans; copper among the antient Romans; and gold and silver among all rich commercial nations.

Those metals seem originally to have been made use of for this purpose in rude bars, without any stamp or coinage. Thus we are told by Pliny, upon the authority of Timæus, an antient historian, that, till the time of Servius Tullius, the Romans had no coined money, but made use of unstamped bars of copper, to purchase whatever they had occasion for. These rude bars, therefore, performed at this time the function of money.

The use of metals in this rude state was attended with two very considerable inconveniences; first with the trouble of weighing; and, secondly, with that of assaying them. In the precious metals, where a small difference in the quantity makes a great difference in the value, even the business of weighing, with proper exactness, requires at least very accurate weights and scales. The weighing of gold in particular is an operation of some nicety. In the coarser metals, indeed, where a small error would be of little consequence, less accuracy would, no doubt, be necessary. Yet we should find it excessively troublesome, if every time a poor man had occasion either to buy or sell a farthing’s worth of goods, he was obliged to weigh the farthing. The operation of assaying is still more difficult, still more tedious, and, unless a part of the metal is fairly melted in the crucible, with proper dissolvents, any conclusion that can be drawn from it, is extremely uncertain. Before the institution of coined money, however, unless they went through this tedious and difficult operation, people must always have been liable to the grossest frauds and impositions, and instead of a pound weight of pure silver, or pure copper, might receive in exchange for their goods, an adulterated composition of the coarsest and cheapest materials, which had, however, in their outward appearance, been made to resemble those metals. To prevent such abuses, to facilitate exchanges, and thereby to encourage all sorts of industry and commerce, it has been found necessary, in all countries that have made any considerable advances towards improvement, to affix a public stamp upon certain quantities of such particular metals, as were in those countries commonly made use of to purchase goods. Hence the origin of coined money, and of those public offices called mints; institutions exactly of the same nature with those of the aulnagers and stampmasters of woollen and linen cloth. All of them are equally meant to ascertain, by means of a public stamp, the quantity and uniform goodness of those different commodities when brought to market.

The first public stamps of this kind that were affixed to the current metals, seem in many cases to have been intended to ascertain, what it was both most difficult and most important to ascertain, the goodness or fineness of the metal, and to have resembled the sterling mark which is at present affixed to plate and bars of silver, or the Spanish mark which is sometimes affixed to ingots of gold, and which being struck only upon one side of the piece, and not covering the whole surface, ascertains the fineness, but not the weight of the metal. Abraham weighs to Ephron the four hundred shekels of silver which he had agreed to pay for the field of Machpelah. They are said, however, to be the current money of the merchant, and yet are received by weight and not by tale, in the same manner as ingots of gold and bars of silver are at present. The revenues of the antient Saxon kings of England are said to have been paid, not in money but in kind, that is, in victuals and provisions of all sorts. William the Conqueror introduced the custom of paying them in money. This money, however, was, for a long time, received at the exchequer, by weight and not by tale.

The inconveniency and difficulty of weighing those metals with exactness gave occasion to the institution of coins, of which the stamp, covering entirely both sides of the piece and sometimes the edges too, was supposed to ascertain not only the fineness, but the weight of the metal. Such coins, therefore, were received by tale as at present, without the trouble of weighing.

The denominations of those coins seem originally to have expressed the weight or quantity of metal contained in them. In the time of Servius Tullius, who first coined money at Rome, the Roman As or Pondo contained a Roman pound of good copper. It was divided in the same manner as our Troyes pound, into twelve ounces, each of which contained a real ounce of good copper. The English pound sterling in the time of Edward I., contained a pound, Tower weight, of silver of a known fineness. The Tower pound seems to have been something more than the Roman pound, and something less than the Troyes pound. This last was not introduced into the mint of England till the 18th of Henry VIII. The French livre contained in the time of Charlemagne a pound, Troyes weight, of silver of a known fineness. The fair of Troyes in Champaign was at that time frequented by all the nations of Europe, and the weights and measures of so famous a market were generally known and esteemed. The Scots money pound contained, from the time of Alexander the First to that of Robert Bruce, a pound of silver of the same weight and fineness with the English pound sterling. English, French, and Scots pennies too, contained all of them originally a real pennyweight of silver, the twentieth part of an ounce, and the two-hundred-and-fortieth part of a pound. The shilling, too, seems originally to have been the denomination of a weight. When wheat is at twelve shillings the quarter, says an antient statute of Henry III., then wastel bread of a farthing shall weigh eleven shillings and four pence. The proportion, however, between the shilling and either the penny on the one hand, or the pound on the other, seems not to have been so constant and uniform as that between the penny and the pound. During the first race of the kings of France, the French sou or shilling appears upon different occasions to have contained five, twelve, twenty, and forty pennies. Among the antient Saxons a shilling appears at one time to have contained only five pennies, and it is not improbable that it may have been as variable among them as among their neighbours, the antient Franks. From the time of Charlemagne among the French, and from that of William the Conqueror among the English, the proportion between the pound, the shilling, and the penny, seems to have been uniformly the same as at present, though the value of each has been very different. For in every country of the world, I believe, the avarice and injustice of princes and sovereign states, abusing the confidence of their subjects, have by degrees diminished the real quantity of metal, which had been originally contained in their coins. The Roman As, in the latter ages of the Republic, was reduced to the twenty-fourth part of its original value, and, instead of weighing a pound, came to weigh only half an ounce. The English pound and penny contain at present about a third only; the Scots pound and penny about a thirty-sixth; and the French pound and penny about a sixty-sixth part of their original value. By means of those operations the princes and sovereign states which performed them were enabled, in appearance, to pay their debts and to fulfil their engagements with a smaller quantity of silver than would otherwise have been requisite. It was indeed in appearance only; for their creditors were really defrauded of a part of what was due to them. All other debtors in the state were allowed the same privilege, and might pay with the same nominal sum of the new and debased coin whatever they had borrowed in the old. Such operations, therefore, have always proved favourable to the debtor, and ruinous to the creditor, and have sometimes produced a greater and more universal revolution in the fortunes of private persons, than could have been occasioned by a very great public calamity.

It is in this manner that money has become in all civilized nations the universal instrument of commerce, by the intervention of which goods of all kinds are bought and sold, or exchanged for one another.

What are the rules which men naturally observe in exchanging them either for money or for one another, I shall now proceed to examine. These rules determine what may be called the relative or exchangeable value of goods.

The word VALUE, it is to be observed, has two different meanings, and sometimes expresses the utility of some particular object, and sometimes the power of purchasing other goods which the possession of that object conveys. The one may be called “value in use;” the other, “value in exchange.” The things which have the greatest value in use have frequently little or no value in exchange; and on the contrary, those which have the greatest value in exchange have frequently little or no value in use. Nothing is more useful than water: but it will purchase scarce any thing; scarce any thing can be had in exchange for it. A diamond, on the contrary, has scarce any value in use; but a very great quantity of other goods may frequently be had in exchange for it.

In order to investigate the principles which regulate the exchangeable value of commodities, I shall endeavour to shew,

First, what is the real measure of this exchangeable value; or, wherein consists the real price of all commodities.

Secondly, what are the different parts of which this real price is composed or made up.

And, lastly, what are the different circumstances which sometimes raise some or all of these different parts of price above, and sometimes sink them below their natural or ordinary rate; or, what are the causes which sometimes hinder the market price, that is, the actual price of commodities, from coinciding exactly with what may be called their natural price.

I shall endeavour to explain, as fully and distinctly as I can, those three subjects in the three following chapters, for which I must very earnestly entreat both the patience and attention of the reader: his patience in order to examine a detail which may perhaps in some places appear unnecessarily tedious; and his attention in order to understand what may, perhaps, after the fullest explication which I am capable of giving of it, appear still in some degree obscure. I am always willing to run some hazard of being tedious in order to be sure that I am perspicuous; and after taking the utmost pains that I can to be perspicuous, some obscurity may still appear to remain upon a subject in its own nature extremely abstracted.

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Old iBox.

A new thread name and new idea behind it. LOL Yeah right!

This is my terriotry bashers, so keep your bullshit off.

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My suspensions

4/??/01 - 4/??/01
Reason: Attacks on Bob. I was a political prisoner!

7/22/01 - 8/4/01
Reason: Unknown. Not enough documentation.

8/30/01 - 8/31/01
Reason: Insulting others.

9/3/01 - 9/4/01
Reason: Inappropriate language.

12/23/01 - 12/24/01
Reason: Insulting others.

12/27/01 - 1/5/02
Reason: Insulting others, attacks.

NOTE: This was the suspension where Joemoney learned how to get around the suspension feature and post while suspended. His account was then disabled, thus blocking him from posting at all.

The Famous Suspension
2/25/02 - 3/1/02
Reason: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=284867

NOTE: During the suspension, an average of 132 posts per day occurred. On 2/27/02, the Jailhouse was the most popular thread on iHub. It had 335 posts that day and was the talk of the community. Matt then sentenced Joemoney to write him an essay on what it means to be a critical thinker. The essay can be found here: http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=289002 It was responded to with praise. Joemoney was then released.

5/11/02 - 5/18/02
Reason: Insults, arguing, and an abundance non stock related posts.

NOTE: Joemoney was completely locked out of the site during this suspension, and Matt sentenced him to the 1:1 stock to BS post ratio. The first "parole" type punishment of it's kind.

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PROPOSAL: Official Slogan/Nickname for the Jail Thread

I have spent the last hour researching this and would like your attention. Through the information gathered here regarding "average posts per day"

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Suggestion Renames

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