Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:38:34 PM
GVRP Story (Part 1):
GVRP / MAMG - How did it all happen?? What's the story??
A large reverse split followed by a large forward split is not uncommon to reduce shareholders, paying off those that hold fractional shares in cash. The reverse split is followed immediately by the forward split, now for the famous market anomaly GVRP (Gluv Corporation):
Here's the scenario:
GVRP attempted such a tactic and goofed up, the timeline between the RS/FS is over a week apart. The plan seemed to be to spin off Homeland Productions Inc:
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=GLVP&dDate=05/09/2005&sDateType=Record_date
Then apply a 1 - 6,500,000 reverse split:
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=GLVP&dDate=05/12/2005&sDateType=ex_date to eliminate all current shareholders, paying off the fractional shares next to nothing
Then forward split the shares 3,000,000 - 1 more than a week later
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=GVRP&dDate=05/23/2005&sDateType=ex_date
And perform a merger and name change: #msg-6369478
However, the plan didn't quite work out -- Once the reverse split was performed, the box in level II stayed blank, no MM's since the early morning of 05/17/05. Then, an MM showed up -- EFGI -- on the offer, selling the shares $3.50 to start, WAAAY before Ex-Date 05/23/05.
Then, a PR came out stating it has finalized a Merger Agreement with DigiKidz Holdings, Inc, and has also filed with the State of Florida to change its name to Media Magic, Inc. after effecting the Merger.
Well, it appears the company jumped the gun, thinking they had already forward split the shares and had begun a news release and dump campaign. They sold a total of 34,853 shares; shares that have due bills attached entitling the buyer to the Ex-Date forward split!
GVRP open high low close change volume
05/17/05 3.50 4.75 2.90 3.75 +0.25 34,853
05/16/05 0.00 3.50 3.50 3.50 +0.00 0
05/13/05 0.00 3.50 3.50 3.50 +3.50 0
Now the company had billions of shares out beginning Monday 05/23/05, just from the shares sold on 05/17/05 alone. They have a mess at hand, calls made confirmed the forward split had not been performed yet, calls to transfer agent showed there were 3 shareholders at the beginning of the day. Shares were sold, and the buyers are having a really fun time, if nothing else, it's worth the entertainment value. Many have bought their admission ticket and having a ball!
#msg-6380160
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A few very relevant terms:
Ex-Date
Definition 1
For stock splits, the date that the share price changes to reflect the split.
Definition 2
For dividends, the first day of the ex-dividend period. The ex-date was created to allow all pending transactions to be completed before the record date. If an investor does not own the stock before the ex-date, he or she will be ineligible for the dividend payout. Further, for all pending transactions that have not been completed by the ex-date, the exchanges automatically reduce the price of the stock by the amount of the dividend. This is done because a dividend payout automatically reduces the value of the company (it comes from the company's cash reserves), and the investor would have to absorb that reduction in value (because neither the buyer nor the seller are eligible for the dividend). Also called ex-dividend date.
http://www.investorwords.com/1817/ex_date.html
Record Date
Date set by the issuing in order to be eligible to receive a declared dividend or capital gains distribution. The date is also used by the NASD to set the ex-dividend date. Also called date of record.
http://www.investorwords.com/4095/record_date.html
Payment Date
The date on which a dividend, mutual fund distribution, or bond interest payment is made or scheduled to be made. Also called distribution date.
http://www.investorwords.com/3635/payment_date.html
Due Bills
A printed statement serving as evidence of the transfer of a security from the seller to the buyer. The statement details the breakdown of the amount owed by the buyer to the seller, such as security cost, dividends, interest, and any other charges.
http://www.investorwords.com/5528/due_bill.html
Rules from the NASD http://www.nasd.com/web/groups/rules_regs/documents/notice_to_members/nasdw_003997.pdf
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=+=+=+= GVRP – the saga begins =+=+=+=
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#msg-6368562
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/17/2005 9:38:02 AM
GVRP (2.50 x 3.50) 3,000,000 to 1 Forward Split, trading now, who knows maybe I just threw money away lol!
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=GVRP&dDate=05/23/2005&sDateType=ex_date
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#msg-6369015
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 43625
Date:5/17/2005 10:02:31 AM
Usually it's a tactic to remove shareholders, by creating fractional shares, this basically worked out to previous holders to be a 1-2.2 reverse split. But I threw money into to this just in case these shares selling are coming in short by the MM's or hope a few are making a big mistake selling here, thinking they have forward split shares in their account. If not, the insiders are enjoying this.
There will be an insane amount of shares floating after the forward split, on the sale of the current shares.
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#msg-6369111
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43629
Date:5/17/2005 10:07:23 AM
This is going to be one of those confusing all out type plays - love it.
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#msg-6369217
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43633
Date:5/17/2005 10:12:49 AM
Someone should call Davenport and ask him if he knows the stock hasn't forward split yet........
Someone could be bankrupt if they have to deliver all those shares
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#msg-6369299
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43634
Date:5/17/2005 10:17:42 AM
I guess if the MM's realize what’s up they will be covering soon.
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#msg-6369634
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43647
Date:5/17/2005 10:34:03 AM
I'm sure glad people still get these dates confused!! LMAO - Wayne, I'm not straightening people out on dividend dates anymore.
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#msg-6369730
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43650
Date:5/17/2005 10:39:34 AM
So now when will this scenario possibly blow up? Before, on or after the ex date????? I am till trying to understand this confusing situation...Seems like EFGI is the seller and filling all buys coming his way...TIA
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#msg-6369840
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 43654
Date:5/17/2005 10:46:19 AM
Monday it splits.
1 scenario - it's a MM selling short, he will realize his error and all trades will be broken.
2nd scenario, it is some dumb schmuck selling that doesn't understand x-dates. In this case he is unlikely to have the $ to be able to cover the shares he will need to. So no idea what could happen
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#msg-6370067
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43658
Date:5/17/2005 10:57:18 AM
For their sake, they better find out this week, I may sell them some back - at $100 heh!
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#msg-6370483
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43663
Date:5/17/2005 11:19:47 AM
I'm going over scenarios in my head, and I just don't see a way for the seller to get out of this
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#msg-6370491
Posted by: pontius
Date:5/17/2005 11:20:09 AM
I talked to guy at company (GVRP) and he said the list is messed up and that they've notified to get it corrected, he also said they have an incorrect symbol change listed as well. It seems everyone is confused. He said the split list had it wrong, and the company has notified them to have it corrected. Also said that the stock is currently trading post split. Who knows, said he's gotten a lot of calls from a lot of traders and firms about this. I hope he's wrong but just a heads up, he may not know what’s up either. Overall too confusing...
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#msg-6370513
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43671
Date:5/17/2005 11:21:40 AM
Must be the new company selling, they are usually clueless when they first go public.
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#msg-6370558
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 43674
Date:5/17/2005 11:23:49 AM
Yup - NASDAQ assigns the FS Ex-Date, not them - NASDAQ date is correct!
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#msg-6370568
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 43675
Date:5/17/2005 11:24:53 AM
FS never occurred and they issued it. They have to cover these shares.
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#msg-6370623
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 43683
Date:5/17/2005 11:27:32 AM
Looks like the company is the one who made the mistake and is selling. LOL. Rofl. Awesome.
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#msg-6370671
Posted by: pontius
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43676
Date:5/17/2005 11:29:53 AM
He was assuring me it was done splitting both ways. if they messed up that bad its gonna be a big problem to cover a few billion shares LOL
I called this #:
CONTACT: Media Magic, Inc., West Palm Beach
Dennis Ruggeri, 561-820-2444
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#msg-6370696
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 43688
Date:5/17/2005 11:31:20 AM
He’s wrong. Naz sets date. They will have to eat these. ROFL. its them selling.
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#msg-6370715
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 43688
Date:5/17/2005 11:32:56 AM
Dennis is selling - and is in trouble LOL! His shares have FS due bills attached to them! They got all set up to dump on today's news release, and did - bad timing.
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#msg-6370760
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 43688
Date:5/17/2005 11:35:06 AM
Dennis is selling through this Brokerage Dealer: check the numbers:
ST JAMES VENTURE GROUP
625 N FLAGLER DR STE 509 WEST PALM BEACH, FL 33401
(561) 820-2444
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#msg-6370812
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 43688
Date:5/17/2005 11:38:06 AM
Well, maybe someone should explain to him that the stock has NOT forward split and at the present time there exist shareholders that now own the company 50X over. Whoever sold today no longer owns any shares and is SHORT.
There is only 1 way out
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#msg-6370843
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43693
Date:5/17/2005 11:40:07 AM
Good so call St James and ask them how Dennis plans to cover 22 billion shares Monday
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#msg-6371001
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43706
Date:5/17/2005 11:51:00 AM
You would think that common sense would tell the seller that they way it is trading in 100 lots that the FS has not been done also does he think the company is worth billions if it is trading at 4.25 currently and the shares are out there?
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#msg-6371065
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43711
Date:5/17/2005 11:56:25 AM
It'll be moronic if he continues to sell the next three days.
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#msg-6371092
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43713
Date:5/17/2005 11:58:06 AM
I can't see them halting this because there really is no confusion the ex dates on the otc site are really clear and confusion free...Just seems they jumped the gun with the PR and dumping..IMO
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#msg-6371366
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43731
Date:5/17/2005 12:12:26 PM
Funny part is people have tried to tell him and he is still selling.....
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#msg-6372137
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: bgoody who wrote msg# 43762
Date:5/17/2005 12:54:48 PM
GVRP is a lottery ticket that will most likely redefine our understanding of the market, such as it is.
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Note the foreshadowing of this post!
#msg-6372170
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: None
Date:5/17/2005 12:56:14 PM
Post # of 85343
Company has to put out a PR soon. Bet it will be full of untruths.
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#msg-6372183
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 43771
Date:5/17/2005 12:57:02 PM
Probably worst that can happen to us is trades get cancelled....but damned if I know for sure.
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#msg-6372205
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 43774
Date:5/17/2005 12:58:27 PM
That is what I am thinking but the ex date is spelled out clearly in the OTC BB portal...how can they just cancel..They didn't cancel GLKC....
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#msg-6372207
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 43775
Date:5/17/2005 12:58:31 PM
looks like a transfer agent error IMO>
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#msg-6372352
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/17/2005 1:07:12 PM
The seller today MUST pay attention to this: All shares trading today are with Due Bills attached. The due bill is the FS certificate.
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#msg-6372392
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43788
Date:5/17/2005 1:09:39 PM
Something tells me that he is not paying attention.....
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#msg-6372398
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 43784
Date:5/17/2005 1:09:50 PM
That's true, and it caused a squeeze, MSSI directors were convinced the shares were post split, even issued a press release, but we knew better, got our shares, and they were wrong.
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#msg-6372524
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 43799
Date:5/17/2005 1:19:27 PM
Can’t believe the company hasn’t halted selling. They are really screwing up and haven’t done anything about it.
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#msg-6372586
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 43800
Date:5/17/2005 1:23:39 PM
if no one wants to call, maybe someone should find his email
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#msg-6372599
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43801
Date:5/17/2005 1:24:08 PM
Lol. Some people tried. Nuts. Simply amazing.. He better cover his a$$ soon.
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http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=6372633
Posted by: pontius
Date:5/17/2005 1:26:57 PM
I also spoke with lady at otcbb.com who confirmed that the stock has not split and is cruising with due bills.
crazy
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#msg-6372640
Posted by: pontius
Date:5/17/2005 1:27:40 PM
Market Data Integrity 203-375-9609
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#msg-6372761
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: jobynimble who wrote msg# 43817
Date:5/17/2005 1:35:56 PM
Something like this only comes along one or two times a life time....
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#msg-6373064
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/17/2005 1:54:03 PM
When will EFGI MM or player through there smarten up.
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#msg-6373227
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Churak who wrote msg# 43847
Date:5/17/2005 2:02:15 PM
Once EFGI (or person behind them) either realizes or gets out of the way, this is going to get real interesting, real fast.....
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#msg-6373400
Posted by: PDC
Date:5/17/2005 2:11:42 PM
How the hell is EFGI not WAKING UP!!!! this is mind boggling
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#msg-6373417
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 43863
Date:5/17/2005 2:12:55 PM
Agree, can anyone offer up any other explanation or scenario other than stupidity???
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#msg-6373900
Posted by: PDC
Date:5/17/2005 2:41:31 PM
I am in total and utter disbelief. this is crazy seller with EFGI better start covering his a$$
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#msg-6374712
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/17/2005 3:22:47 PM
Everybody - Copy this page, or print it for backup:
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=GVRP&dDate=05/23/2005&sDateType=ex_date
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#msg-6374743
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/17/2005 3:24:16 PM
I ask all to make a copy of it, in case by some fluke it gets pulled - then our lawyers can go to work.
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More Foreshadowing…
#msg-6374858
Posted by: PDC
Date:5/17/2005 3:29:58 PM
Still expecting that "explanation PR" filled with lies.
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#msg-6375818
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 43974
Date:5/17/2005 4:15:12 PM
Well, I've been laughing pretty much since market open because of this stock. The entertainment value is priceless
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#msg-6375824
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43990
Date:5/17/2005 4:15:53 PM
Let's hope the financial value will be just as priceless as well.......
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#msg-6375840
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43990
Date:5/17/2005 4:17:11 PM
EFGI amazes me. The company are idiots if selling and HAVE to cover this. They should have today once realizing the mistake. It’s amazing.
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The shit officially starts hitting the fan…
#msg-6375943
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 43994
Date:5/17/2005 4:24:38 PM
call to transfer agent, after R/S there are 3 shareholders, forward split to be paid 5/23
Someone's got some splainin to do
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#msg-6375959
Posted by: PDC
Date:5/17/2005 4:26:11 PM
TA confirmed ... this is legit ... someone is way short and has to cover. We are gold and Xdate is on Monday. Smile
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#msg-6376138
Posted by: Art2Gecko
Date:5/17/2005 4:43:41 PM
So who's gonna have the shorts on their books, the MM's, the company selling, or both?
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#msg-6376156
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Art2Gecko who wrote msg# 44020
Date:5/17/2005 4:45:10 PM
Due bills owed by the sellers.
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#msg-6376995
Posted by: Buckey
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 44055
Date:5/17/2005 6:52:54 PM
Imagine the volume on Monday - It will make the big days of CMKX seem like child’s Play LOL
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#msg-6377038
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Buckey who wrote msg# 44057
Date:5/17/2005 6:58:54 PM
Lol. Its nuts.
Transfer Agent:
Interwest Transfer Co., Inc., Salt Lake City, UT 84117 -- 801-272-9294, Ext. 18, Lorraine Smith, verified On May 17, 2005 at 6:54 EST that the Ex-dividend Date is 5/23/2005 with the Due Bill Redeemable Date: 05/25/2005. It is a 3,000,000:1 Forward Split
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#msg-6377208
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 44061
Date:5/17/2005 7:16:48 PM
So far in my experience on these split and div foul ups with dates, the companies are batting ZIPPO ZERO and NASD batting 1000.
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#msg-6377370
Posted by: PDC
Date:5/17/2005 7:40:16 PM
The company needs to know that the only way they can save there buts is by buying back most tomorrow. If they p*ssyfoot around they will find themselves in real trouble.
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#msg-6377611
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 44085
Date:5/17/2005 8:14:24 PM
They should have FS it on the same date they did the reverse split like every other company does, but they screwed up by adding in ONLY the spin off around the same time, of Homeland Productions Inc. When I saw the forward split was still to come, I put the symbol on watch, waiting for a foolish MM to come into the box #msg-6321662 and sell early - we'll it happened LMAO!
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#msg-6377691
Posted by: eviltweety
Date:5/17/2005 8:25:44 PM
It seems to me that I'm in on this voyage with several very experienced, very knowledgeable guys.... including the ever watchful Jim Bishop Smile
I'm delighted........
Tweety
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#msg-6377768
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44121
Date:5/17/2005 8:36:37 PM
Every one of us owns the company a few times over pre split, so the seller has to buy back just about every share the way I see it. That means you can be a play all by yourself, once "If" everyone sells before you, demand as much as you like lol. Give them to him 1 share at a time at $3250.
This is so much fun!
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#msg-6378175
Posted by: slow_feet
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 44150
Date:5/17/2005 9:23:42 PM
Perhaps someone should call EFGI:
EFGI /EMPIRE FINANCIAL GROUP, INC. //LONGWOOD FL/407-774-1334
EFGI /EMPIRE FINANCIAL GROUP, INC. //LONGWOOD FL/800-579-8100
maybe they know something we don't?
Just a thought...
(tomorrow of course)
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#msg-6378348
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: slow_feet who wrote msg# 44153
Date:5/17/2005 9:41:06 PM
Someone did. They know they are screwed.
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#msg-6378706
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Modern_Rock who wrote msg# 44159
Date:5/17/2005 10:17:29 PM
They screwed up, they owe delivery of shares now, how they do it is their problem, I will not discuss possible solutions to aid these morons a way out on this thread. They reverse split the original stuckholders out by pulling off the 6.5/3MM RS/FS. They wanted to screw them out of this next reverse merger play of theirs, and ended up with a nice mess for them to take care of.
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#msg-6379753
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: bobkubecka who wrote msg# 44201
Date:5/18/2005 12:04:04 AM
LOL. Its time the SEC do something for investors. Company and EFGI screwed up. Period. Now they have to fix it.
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#msg-6379778
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 44202
Date:5/18/2005 12:08:06 AM
They should have to fix it the same way we would..Buy them back.......If someone got called/caught in a margin call I never heard the NASD/SEC tell an investor, you made a mistake buying that crappy stock, don't worry we'll let it go you don't have to pay....
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#msg-6379779
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: zentman who wrote msg# 44203
Date:5/18/2005 12:08:11 AM
Nothing really can be wrong. Per NASD website (definitive authority) and TA (those in charge of the shares) the ex-dividend date is 5/23. The company and EFGI, for bad advice, are liable for the short position --- SHOULD be no way around that. If they find a way around it .. #1 SEC saying "fu*k you investors" #2 They would (IMO) break all trades with everyone at B/E.
Those SHOULD be the ONLY 2 possible scenarios. It’s completely RICH or B/E and we all know that they are required to cover this position and if EFGI and the company try to sneak around this I would be calling a lawyer.
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#msg-6380361
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: zentman who wrote msg# 44229
Date:5/18/2005 3:15:44 AM
I think, but am not sure, that if a broker/dealer accepted to sell the shares for the client and the client is unable to deliver then it is the broker/dealer that is on the line for delivery.
Money has to come from somewhere for us to make out like bandits, someone with deep pockets needs to get stuck with the bill
Anyway, we have one for the textbooks here
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#msg-6381898
Posted by: PDC
Date:5/18/2005 9:28:04 AM
Can’t believe EFGI is on ask.. WTF.
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#msg-6382138
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 44262
Date:5/18/2005 9:39:43 AM
I can't think of anything the company could be doing that will alleviate this mess someone is in. EFGI definitely still taking control early.
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#msg-6382167
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44264
Date:5/18/2005 9:41:38 AM
There's always the chance GVRP think they are right and NASD wrong, same thing happened with MSSI..If that's the case, they digging themselves in deeper...LOL the deeper the better for us as far as I can see.
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#msg-6382516
Posted by: jobynimble
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44298
Date:5/18/2005 9:57:19 AM
Well, I guess we're not halted, lmao!
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#msg-6382892
Posted by: Buckey
In reply to: Art2Gecko who wrote msg# 44318
Date:5/18/2005 10:13:55 AM
OK here are the goods from Scotia Macleod - They have no information on the any split yesterday or the day before.
Their note to phone traders is to inform the client of the reverse split of May 11th ONLY.
This is very good - she called direct to floor and verified with her manager
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#msg-6383712
Posted by: H2NRG
In reply to: zentman who wrote msg# 44377
Date:5/18/2005 10:51:40 AM
GVRP's A/S would have had to been in the trillions pre-R/S for them to be dumping these shares right now out of treasury.
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#msg-6383861
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43999
Date:5/18/2005 10:57:33 AM
Wayne I just talked to both Brendy and Lorraine at Interwest Transfer. I've confirmed that post R/S but before F/S there are 11 shares outstanding.
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#msg-6383888
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44394
Date:5/18/2005 10:58:44 AM
11 shares confirmed! LMAO!!
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#msg-6383927
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/18/2005 11:00:14 AM
Someone must think they have 33 million shares to trade!!
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#msg-6383966
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Art2Gecko who wrote msg# 44396
Date:5/18/2005 11:01:34 AM
GVRP Okay here's the deal.
Brendy at Interwest told me there were 33 million shares out as of close yesterday. She could not tell me how many of those are restricted. She said that is post R/S but she didn't seem to know about any F/S.
I said, that makes no sense. If that is before the F/S and there is a 3 million to 1 F/S coming Monday, that means there will be 99 TRILLION shares out Monday morning...how many do they have authorized. That's when she passed me on to Lorraine.
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An Instant Classic!
#msg-6384026
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44403
Date:5/18/2005 11:04:15 AM
GVRP conversation with Lorraine at Interwest.
Lorraine confirms there are 33 million outstanding today. To make long story short, they adjusted their system for the 3 million F/S last Friday the 13th which is record date.
I told her that is wrong, that the F/S doesn't actually take effect until Ex Div date and NASD has set that date as May 23rd, Monday. She said, "that's not how we do it".
LOL I said, well that's how NASD does it and anyone selling those shares before Ex date, sells the split shares too.
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The Mistake pinpointed
#msg-6384056
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44407
Date:5/18/2005 11:05:54 AM
There it is - the T/A screwed up, they delivered the shares to the company ahead of time WOW~!!
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#msg-6384060
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44406
Date:5/18/2005 11:06:07 AM
As far as I am concerned both the company and the T/A have f'd up bigtime here. Neither understand Ex Dividend date.
NASD says we are right, the T/A says they are right.
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#msg-6384101
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44397
Date:5/18/2005 11:07:57 AM
Yeppers, according to the rules, and I think NASD will agree, as of this moment there should be 11 shares outstanding...TOTAL!
33 million divided by 3 million = 11 just as your calculator said.
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#msg-6384104
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44407
Date:5/18/2005 11:08:02 AM
She is correct about 33 million outstanding. However, in the trading market there are 11 shares available to trade, with 33 million due bills attached to them
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#msg-6384130
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44420
Date:5/18/2005 11:09:18 AM
YES Wayne. We should all be prepared to stick to our guns, and the rules. I WILL be holding stock Monday morning no matter what happens between now and then and DEMANDING my 3 million split shares for each share I owned at close on Friday.
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#msg-6384136
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: bobkubecka who wrote msg# 44422
Date:5/18/2005 11:09:45 AM
Well with that kind of thinking I guess Monday is the day this plays out as they continue along their merry way... Wish I waited until today because I'd have twice as many billion. I wasn't counting on their stupidity to continue.....LOL
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#msg-6384232
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44421
Date:5/18/2005 11:14:50 AM
If this is how they do it all the time we should just follow all their RS and FS transaction stocks and screw the rest of the market.....
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#msg-6384437
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44450
Date:5/18/2005 11:25:45 AM
Yes Mike it certainly should be cut and dried and very simple...I figure right now, being conservative and taking into consideration some flippers, they owe probably 150 BILLION split shares.
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#msg-6384564
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44447
Date:5/18/2005 11:31:49 AM
I am on hold with NASD now.
Main number is 301-590-6500
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#msg-6384626
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44464
Date:5/18/2005 11:34:49 AM
I've been redirected to NASD Market Regulation
240-386-5126 sheesh, it's busy.
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#msg-6384782
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 44470
Date:5/18/2005 11:42:25 AM
Looks like they won't catch on until Monday when the share demands are made, they'll just keep dumping tomorrow and Friday, unless they wisen up.
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#msg-6385237
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44474
Date:5/18/2005 12:03:40 PM
I'm now talking to someone at NASD Customer Complaints who is trying to figure out what is happening, will happen...he's gotta talk to someone else...so far he agrees with everything I've said...including if OTC Daily List is wrong that might be construed as some sort of false advertising.
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#msg-6385267
Posted by: Art2Gecko
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44489
Date:5/18/2005 12:05:01 PM
Wonder if they will call the company, or selling MM's and say "yo, chief... you got a lil' problemo here...."
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#msg-6385372
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44477
Date:5/18/2005 12:09:24 PM
Wayne, this guy John at NASD is telling me NASDAQ set the ex div date...he's gone for help now.
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#msg-6385394
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44498
Date:5/18/2005 12:10:45 PM
it is what it is, otherwise the market is a free-for-all
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#msg-6385408
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Art2Gecko who wrote msg# 44492
Date:5/18/2005 12:11:25 PM
He wanted to know if I have any direct knowledge of any fraud or illegal trading....LOL I said nope, all I know is my L2 screen, what the T/A told me and what is "advertised" on the OTC Other Portal Daily List.
He's now calling NASDAQ and will call me back.
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#msg-6385507
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44508
Date:5/18/2005 12:16:44 PM
The post that disappeared;
I was just saying that NASD has said before that ex-date is the date the stock trades without dividend, if companies don't understand that then tough. There have to be rules otherwise the markets would be a free-for-all. That was in a PR a few years ago when we had a similar problem. Company had to back down
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The NASD Speaks:
#msg-6385602
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44511
Date:5/18/2005 12:21:14 PM
EVERYONE! I'm saying this once for now then I gotta get moving.
Brian at NASD Customer Complaints just called back after confirming with NASDAQ that GVRP ex dividend date it May 23 and it is trading Due Bills redeemable and yes....if I own it Monday morning I will be owed 3 million shares for every one share I own and they are due to be paid to me on or before the Due bills date of May 25th.
NASDAQ agrees.
LOL Brian adds, "good luck Jim, I just hope that paper is worth something
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#msg-6385716
Posted by: DesertRat1
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44513
Date:5/18/2005 12:26:51 PM
GREAT. Smile I sent an email to Gerald C. Parker and Robert W. Pearce (two new board members mentioned in yesterday's PR) at the contact email:
http://www.digikidz.com/contact.htm
This is the new company, right? I addressed it to them and "Management" I told that that if they were selling shares before 5/23 they would need to cover 3,000,000:1 for each share. And they could contact me with any questions. LOL.
Maybe if they don't know what's going on, this will help.
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#msg-6386101
Posted by: idaho_spud
Date:5/18/2005 12:45:24 PM
Shouldn't NASDAQ step in at this point and freeze the company and its broker from selling anymore shares? Everyone involved should now be aware that the seller (whether intentional or not) is playing with shares it doesn't own.
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#msg-6386851
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44594
Date:5/18/2005 1:21:30 PM
I have now confirmed with EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. They are wrong and better cover today or tomorrow.
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#msg-6386951
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44594
Date:5/18/2005 1:27:51 PM
They are carrying on, just another one of their merger dump shares, deals in pinkee land, yes without question this stock will inevitable go to subpenny again in time, ignorantly carrying on with their ways, and they will face a rude awakening soon. The outcome of which no one can be certain.
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#msg-6387152
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: jobynimble who wrote msg# 44605
Date:5/18/2005 1:40:24 PM
They all think they have 33 million shares to trade, when in fact it's only 11 shares officially. They think the stock is post split 3,000,000 to 1 already. That's why they keep selling - they don't know yet, and the T/A is clueless by their "That's how we do it" statement.
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#msg-6387533
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44637
Date:5/18/2005 1:59:20 PM
Exactly nice point. If they allowed this to happen without covering it opens a Pandora’s box up.
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#msg-6387843
Posted by: bobs23
In reply to: Runners who wrote msg# 44663
Date:5/18/2005 2:13:53 PM
Just got off the phone with etrade....shares WILL be in my account on Monday but I need to call and sell them over the phone...lmao..broker said.."Somebody made a mistake"....I said .."No chit"..lmao!!!!
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#msg-6387904
Posted by: pontius
Date:5/18/2005 2:17:13 PM
FROM AMTD: (I know confirmation been beaten to death but...)
Dear Valued Izone Client,
As long as you have the shares in your account by the close of business
on Friday, you will eligible for the split. The actual ex-dividend
date for this stock is 5/23.
Sincerely,
Client Services
Ameritrade Izone
Division of Ameritrade, Inc.
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The Company starts their “Spin”
#msg-6388060
Posted by: DesertRat1
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44672
Date:5/18/2005 2:25:05 PM
SSP, Important!, I just got a call from a "Peter" at digikidz. He tried to explain their take on things. Can you please call him at 561-820-2444. I told him I am by no means an expert in this, and wanted to put someone else in contact with more knowledge on the issue. Can you please call or can someone else here call. Jim? Art? Heck, maybe we should ALL call! lol
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#msg-6388095
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: DesertRat1 who wrote msg# 44681
Date:5/18/2005 2:26:29 PM
Forget it, he deserves to lose his company next week.
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The morons are still clueless
#msg-6388771
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/18/2005 2:59:37 PM
Got this responds from the largest shareholders after I warned them of their mistake:
"My group has done this deal and we are the largest shareholder, but I still don’t why you are telling me??"
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#msg-6388797
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44721
Date:5/18/2005 3:01:05 PM
Ask him who has been selling and how they plan to come up with the stock for us by due bills date.
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#msg-6388896
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44726
Date:5/18/2005 3:05:50 PM
LOL ....Peter would be wise to speak with Naz, NASD, his T/A and his securities counsel pretty quickly I'd say.
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#msg-6389085
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/18/2005 3:15:10 PM
Well, I gave him a very detailed explanation of the shit they are in and going to be facing come Monday. If they still don't get it, then let them find out the hard way.
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#msg-6389124
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: bob41 who wrote msg# 44743
Date:5/18/2005 3:17:16 PM
LOL - I even said to them - You really believe all this volume the last two days is because of yesterday's merger news? It was alerted that you made a big mistake selling prematurely - your transfer agent delivered the shares incorrectly. There will be a TRILLION shares or more needed to cover coming MONDAY!!
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#msg-6389164
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44747
Date:5/18/2005 3:19:10 PM
I know. Amazing and amazing they have the balls to just keep on selling. ROTF ... they really deserve this. For once, just reward.
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#msg-6389275
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44760
Date:5/18/2005 3:24:37 PM
We need some covering. A lot of big money is at fault here. NASD correct, TA correct .. Brokerages, broker dealer EFGI and company all SHOULD do their part.
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#msg-6389436
Posted by: Mike2112
Date:5/18/2005 3:32:18 PM
With all that went on today, I think everyone has to know what is going on company, MMs, NASD etc. but it continues trading along like nothing is wrong..Remarkable....
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#msg-6389460
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44763
Date:5/18/2005 3:33:16 PM
Save those emails, save everything, archive everything.
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#msg-6389617
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/18/2005 3:42:34 PM
EMAIL REPLY! - They are still clueless!
From: Peter Kirschner
To: 'SSP'
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: GVRP
This clearly shows record date as of 5/13/2005 so……… if you owned it then guess you would get the dividend
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#msg-6389630
Posted by: Mike2112
Date:5/18/2005 3:43:08 PM
And they just keep dropping it lower and keep selling.....unbelievable.......wonder if someone like NASDAQ will step in prior to Monday and make them cover or at least convince them that they have to (since they have no clue it seems LOL
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#msg-6389657
Posted by: Art2Gecko
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44795
Date:5/18/2005 3:44:23 PM
I think that bozo needs to read this http://www.nasd.com/web/groups/rules_regs/documents/notice_to_members/nasdw_003997.pdf
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#msg-6389682
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44795
Date:5/18/2005 3:45:16 PM
Someone please send him NASDAQ’s number or at least beg him to call...LOL
I hate watching a train wreck.....LOL
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#msg-6389687
Posted by: pontius
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44795
Date:5/18/2005 3:45:34 PM
Yup that’s what I got on the phone with him. He thinks the spin-off coming Monday is the old corporation which its 2 subdivisions merged and are spinning off blah blah, and the the f/s already occurred for him. Entirely unbelievable. He must be peeing himself on all the demand for his stock.
Man oh man this is great. Definitely worth the ride on the lotto train !
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#msg-6389734
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44795
Date:5/18/2005 3:47:31 PM
He CLEARLY shows he don't know the rules.
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#msg-6389829
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44816
Date:5/18/2005 3:51:51 PM
You would think even the dumbest person would second guess themselves and check it out with all the calls and email he is getting. I would say how can so many be wrong......
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#msg-6389845
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: eviltweety who wrote msg# 44818
Date:5/18/2005 3:52:35 PM
Difference is that you'd think they would KNOW before selling -- RESEARCH and call NASD etc... And immediately HALT the selling but noooooooo these dipchits keep a selling away.
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#msg-6389862
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: eviltweety who wrote msg# 44818
Date:5/18/2005 3:53:19 PM
Yeppers, he had to retract some statemnents he'd made in news and basically say, yeppers those message board posters are right.
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#msg-6390187
Posted by: Mike2112
Date:5/18/2005 4:09:15 PM
Steve, Jim, Pat, Art and all the traders smarter than me here (just about everyone LOL)........Well now that it has been established that the seller is an idiot and he is going to continue to sell for the remainder of the week (since I assume folks will still buy because we know he is an idiot) and the price is going to keep going down from his selling pressure, what is your best guess of what will happen Monday morning, since it does not appear we will not see any covering....TIA
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#msg-6390313
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44841
Date:5/18/2005 4:17:29 PM
Confusion, chaos and many calls to brokers, t/a, NASD, Naz, the company etc etc.
LOL and if that don't work, the DD starts in earnest and then in addition to the above, who knows...the SEC DOJ Treasury FBI and the Post Office, depending on what comes up.
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#msg-6390718
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Dream who wrote msg# 44867
Date:5/18/2005 4:59:31 PM
Hard to say, depends on what happened. The TA is correct in saying there are presently 33 million shares outstanding, because there are. However, from a trading standpoint, there are only 11 shares with 32,999,989 shares attatched to them as due bills.
Now the TA could theoreticly replaced a cert evidencing 1 share with a cert evidencing 3 million shares already. But it's a cert for a stock that only starts trading on Monday.
Who's at fault? who knows. Everyone up and down the line will blame someone else, but ultimately I think the onus is on the seller to be aware of what he is selling.
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#msg-6391119
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: investordude who wrote msg# 44879
Date:5/18/2005 5:53:37 PM
no short squeeze until the seller realises he is selling something he doesn't have, and he appears to not want to believe that this is the case.
When he does come out of denial, the next question is, how deep are his pockets
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#msg-6391127
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44882
Date:5/18/2005 5:54:47 PM
Now what happens if his pockets aren't too deep????
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#msg-6391131
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44883
Date:5/18/2005 5:55:56 PM
There's the rub, and I do not know the answer
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#msg-6391150
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44884
Date:5/18/2005 6:00:58 PM
The only thing that tells me there has to be some accountability for the shares and they can't just fold up is that every company (person) on the pinks could just do it (sell shares they don't have, do RS's, FS's with no reprecussion).... There has to be some regulation even for the pinkies....
If you have a margin call you can't just take your money left and bolt and the NASD say that's OK no problem...
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#msg-6391172
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Dream who wrote msg# 44888
Date:5/18/2005 6:04:30 PM
I still think the T/A and MMs have to have some responsibility in this. The T/A delivered the shares early and the MMs are selling a stock that they have to know there are only 11 tradeable OS for.
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#msg-6391249
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44892
Date:5/18/2005 6:16:08 PM
I don't know if anything of this magnitude has happened before. One thing for sure, we're going to learn a lot as will the seller(s).
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#msg-6391265
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44901
Date:5/18/2005 6:18:10 PM
He should be the loser here though not us in this mess......IMO
but what do I know
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#msg-6391325
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44904
Date:5/18/2005 6:25:42 PM
I'm very sure that Brian at NASD Customer Complaints will remember our conversation today and will remember what he was told by Nasdaq... and he won't be surprised to hear from me again with a legitimate complaint should they fail to deliver.
Make note of the number in case I'm hit by a train or something.
250-386-5105 NASD
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#msg-6391470
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Mr. Bill who wrote msg# 44919
Date:5/18/2005 6:52:06 PM
Certainly, if a bunch of idiots like us can figure out there is 11 shares outstanding, certainly a broker/dealer can figure it out as well.
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#msg-6391548
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Churak who wrote msg# 44928
Date:5/18/2005 7:05:11 PM
I almost feel sorry for the poor schmuck that is selling. He doesn't know what he got himself into
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#msg-6392038
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mr. Bill who wrote msg# 44916
Date:5/18/2005 8:05:42 PM
That might fit. While it's the seller's responsibility if he cannot or will not deliver the shares hopefully whomever acted for him is then obligated.
"If you sell your stock before the ex-dividend date, you also are selling away your right to the stock dividend. Your sale includes an obligation to deliver any shares acquired as a result of the dividend to the buyer of your shares, since the seller will receive an I.O.U. or "due bill" from his or her broker for the additional shares."
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#msg-6392140
Posted by: Mr. Bill
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44959
Date:5/18/2005 8:15:52 PM
JB, so the first 11 shares they sold negated the 33,000,000 shares they received in the first place ? Would you agree?
and...
Subsequent sells of the stock in excess of their original 11 shares are then "borrowed" stock that they did not own at pre FS prices and due the 3M to 1 FS as well. They are on the hook to pay the IOU back on the shorted shares + dividend.
So it seems then that all but 33M of the shares on Monday will be Naked Short shares? Would you agree with that?
Man this is crazier than the CMKI fiasco where some brokers had deposited pre FS shares into peoles accounts early and they sold them. That was like a 10-to-1 FS if I remember correctly. That one opened at like .08 cents and ran downward to near .01 cent before it turned and ran back upwards.
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#msg-6392183
Posted by: woody880
In reply to: Mr. Bill who wrote msg# 44968
Date:5/18/2005 8:21:48 PM
All the posts today that mentioned contacting the company, none of them indicated that the company was even worried the slightest.
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#msg-6392548
Posted by: H2NRG
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44981
Date:5/18/2005 9:10:21 PM
Someone should keep good notes and write up the story of GVRP for possible publication. Perhaps the person(s) who own a large chunk(s) could file their 13Ds, and also keep notes for their memoirs. There has been plenty of fodder on this board for a good adventurous account of the Gluv Corporation debacle and its possible downfall. Who knows -- maybe Dateline NBC might be interested? LOL.
I am serious, however, about someone who is knowledgable about trading writing this up. It could be quite mind-opening for the general public.
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#msg-6393058
Posted by: Art2Gecko
In reply to: Mr. Bill who wrote msg# 44916
Date:5/18/2005 10:19:01 PM
Now this is interesting, from that post of rule 203b.....
B. Short Sales in Threshold Securities — Rule 203(b)(3)
1. Threshold Securities - The Commission has decided to adopt, with certain modifications from what was proposed, additional requirements targeted at stocks that have a substantial amount of failures to deliver. As adopted, Rule 203(b)(3) requires any participant of a registered clearing agency ("participant") 80 to take action on all failures to deliver that exist in such securities ten days after the normal settlement date, i.e., 13 consecutive settlement days.81 Specifically, the participant is required to close out the fail to deliver position by purchasing securities of like kind and quantity.
http://www.sec.gov/rules/final/34-50103.htm
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#msg-6393124
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44995
Date:5/18/2005 10:30:18 PM
Now you would think a venture group would know the rules. The funniest part is you tried to help them out by telling them and they ignored ignored you and continued to dig the hole deeper... I suspect more of the same tomorrow unless an anvil has hit them in the head.
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#msg-6393130
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/18/2005 10:30:43 PM
Dennis Ruggeri at (561) 820-2444 = ST JAMES VENTURE GROUP = http://www.royalpalmcgi.com
and royalpalmingcgi contact "Administrator", info@royalpalmcgi.com told me this:
"My group has done this deal and we are the largest shareholder, but I still don’t why you are telling me??"
Also Peter Kirschner email = pkirschner@stjamesvgi.com
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#msg-6393186
Posted by: Art2Gecko
In reply to: Mr. Bill who wrote msg# 44997
Date:5/18/2005 10:40:22 PM
I sent an email to allan Swartz @ pinksheets who I've emailed about a few things before... BCIT last week.. he still can't figure that one out.... he's been calling people for a week...
They are keenly interested in the whole naked short subject http://www.pinksheets.com/otcguide/issuers_shortsellingletter.jsp
so I decided to send them a new and amazing poster child.
outlined the scenario and included a link to the board here - #board-3925
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#msg-6393277
Posted by: Mr. Bill
In reply to: Art2Gecko who wrote msg# 45005
Date:5/18/2005 10:50:51 PM
Great work Art. Kinda hard to explain a volume of 172,000 shares when the entire tradeable OS is 11. Hummmm, since these guys are insiders arent they required to file form 4s with the SEC on insider buys and or sells? I know AJAY does. Also, aren't they limited to selling like 5% of their holdings a quarter or something like that? If indeed that was the case it would make the
TRADEABLE FLOAT ...........................................
What 1 SHARE ?
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#msg-6393297
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 45004
Date:5/18/2005 10:53:59 PM
All this, and he's clueless about stock split dates:
Mr. Peter Kirschner
President/Director
Mr. Kirschner is an accomplished financier and manager with eleven years experience in the brokerage industry. After beginning his career with Lehman Brothers and Oppenheimer, Mr. Kirschner opened his own independent offices where he supervised a large staff of retail stockbrokers and support personnel. During that time, he was involved in several takeovers and IPO's. Mr. Kirschner has extensive knowledge of public markets, finance, mergers and acquisitions. He has also served as President and CEO of a public network service provider and internet company providing online data storage. During his presidency, Mr. Kirschner increased the market capitalization of that company by over 400%. Most recently Mr. Kirschner was a Founder and Director of a private debt and equity fund involved in mergers and acquisitions. He is a graduate of the University of Bridgeport, where he earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Finance and Banking.
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#msg-6393338
Posted by: Art2Gecko
In reply to: LT_Matt who wrote msg# 45020
Date:5/18/2005 10:59:43 PM
Matt, check here http://www.sec.gov/rules/final/34-50103.htm
go down to section V Rule 203 — Locate and Delivery Requirements for Short Sales
I think the TA was at fault in her/their mistake ("that's how we do it", that's gotta be the classic line of this whole fiasco, lol) but I think the broker/dealer will be the one responsible in the end
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#msg-6393441
Posted by: Art2Gecko
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 45037
Date:5/18/2005 11:19:50 PM
they got an awful lot of witnesses now and documentation, gonna be hard to sidestep the rules, i think..
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#msg-6393456
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Art2Gecko who wrote msg# 45050
Date:5/18/2005 11:22:51 PM
And to make matters worse they received several calls alerting them to the situation and they ignored them and continued on their merry way...
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#msg-6393597
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mr. Bill who wrote msg# 45075
Date:5/18/2005 11:44:13 PM
LOL ya...our attitude is "SOMEONE HAS TO PAY US" ...rules are rules all we are doing is playing by the rules.
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#msg-6393653
Posted by: Art2Gecko
Date:5/18/2005 11:53:41 PM
Rule 10a-2 -- Requirements for Covering Purchases
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No broker or dealer shall lend, or arrange for the loan of, any security registered on, or admitted to unlisted trading privileges on, a national securities exchange for delivery to the broker for the purchaser after sale, or shall fail to deliver a security on the date delivery is due, if such broker or dealer knows or has reasonable grounds to believe that the sale was effected, or will be effected, pursuant to an order marked "long," unless such broker or dealer knows, or has been informed by the seller that the security sold has been forwarded to the account for which the sale was effected, or
that the seller owns the security sold, that it is then impracticable to deliver to such account the security owned and that he will deliver such security to such account as soon as it is possible without undue inconvenience or expense.
The provisions of paragraph (a) of this section shall not apply to the lending of a security registered on, or admitted to unlisted trading privileges on, a national securities exchange by a broker or dealer through the medium of a loan to another broker or dealer, or to any loan, or arrangement for the loan, of any such security, or to any failure to deliver any such security if, prior to such loan, arrangement or failure to deliver, a national securities exchange, in the case of a sale effected thereon, or a national securities association, in the case of a sale not effected on an exchange, finds that such sale resulted from a mistake made in good faith, that due diligence was used to ascertain that the circumstances specified in Rule 10a-1(d)(1) existed or to obtain the information specified in clause (2) thereof, and either that the condition of the market at the time the mistake was discovered was such that undue hardship would result from covering the transaction by a "purchase for cash" or that the mistake was made by the seller's broker and the sale was at a price permissible for a short sale under Rule 10a-1 (a) or (b).
http://www.law.uc.edu/CCL/34ActRls/rule10a-2.html
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#msg-6393699
Posted by: eviltweety
Date:5/19/2005 12:00:42 AM
OK, the company brain trust and the TA get together and file with the NASD so that... first they reverse split everybody out of existence except themselves and their 11 shares...
second they forward split 3 million to one so that they'll have 33 million in their pockets on 13th or the 16th of May so that they can take advantage of that great PR on the 17th and they get EFGI to start selling from the open, no doubt thinking that they have brilliantly screwed the former shareholders and are now putting it to those who have climbed on the bandwagon for this new "media empire" stock per their awesome PR tuesday morning... problem is that both they and the TA (with it's 44 years of experience and currently maintaining the records for 1100 companies!) signed off on the wrong date with the NASD so they still only have 11 shares... doing among other things, breaching the warranty that the securities are genuine (imo)... the brokers take the word of the TA, again IMO, breaching the fiduciary responsibility to their clients that the shares exist and are tradeable..........all JMHO of course Smile
Tweety
GVRP / MAMG - How did it all happen?? What's the story??
A large reverse split followed by a large forward split is not uncommon to reduce shareholders, paying off those that hold fractional shares in cash. The reverse split is followed immediately by the forward split, now for the famous market anomaly GVRP (Gluv Corporation):
Here's the scenario:
GVRP attempted such a tactic and goofed up, the timeline between the RS/FS is over a week apart. The plan seemed to be to spin off Homeland Productions Inc:
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=GLVP&dDate=05/09/2005&sDateType=Record_date
Then apply a 1 - 6,500,000 reverse split:
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=GLVP&dDate=05/12/2005&sDateType=ex_date to eliminate all current shareholders, paying off the fractional shares next to nothing
Then forward split the shares 3,000,000 - 1 more than a week later
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=GVRP&dDate=05/23/2005&sDateType=ex_date
And perform a merger and name change: #msg-6369478
However, the plan didn't quite work out -- Once the reverse split was performed, the box in level II stayed blank, no MM's since the early morning of 05/17/05. Then, an MM showed up -- EFGI -- on the offer, selling the shares $3.50 to start, WAAAY before Ex-Date 05/23/05.
Then, a PR came out stating it has finalized a Merger Agreement with DigiKidz Holdings, Inc, and has also filed with the State of Florida to change its name to Media Magic, Inc. after effecting the Merger.
Well, it appears the company jumped the gun, thinking they had already forward split the shares and had begun a news release and dump campaign. They sold a total of 34,853 shares; shares that have due bills attached entitling the buyer to the Ex-Date forward split!
GVRP open high low close change volume
05/17/05 3.50 4.75 2.90 3.75 +0.25 34,853
05/16/05 0.00 3.50 3.50 3.50 +0.00 0
05/13/05 0.00 3.50 3.50 3.50 +3.50 0
Now the company had billions of shares out beginning Monday 05/23/05, just from the shares sold on 05/17/05 alone. They have a mess at hand, calls made confirmed the forward split had not been performed yet, calls to transfer agent showed there were 3 shareholders at the beginning of the day. Shares were sold, and the buyers are having a really fun time, if nothing else, it's worth the entertainment value. Many have bought their admission ticket and having a ball!
#msg-6380160
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A few very relevant terms:
Ex-Date
Definition 1
For stock splits, the date that the share price changes to reflect the split.
Definition 2
For dividends, the first day of the ex-dividend period. The ex-date was created to allow all pending transactions to be completed before the record date. If an investor does not own the stock before the ex-date, he or she will be ineligible for the dividend payout. Further, for all pending transactions that have not been completed by the ex-date, the exchanges automatically reduce the price of the stock by the amount of the dividend. This is done because a dividend payout automatically reduces the value of the company (it comes from the company's cash reserves), and the investor would have to absorb that reduction in value (because neither the buyer nor the seller are eligible for the dividend). Also called ex-dividend date.
http://www.investorwords.com/1817/ex_date.html
Record Date
Date set by the issuing in order to be eligible to receive a declared dividend or capital gains distribution. The date is also used by the NASD to set the ex-dividend date. Also called date of record.
http://www.investorwords.com/4095/record_date.html
Payment Date
The date on which a dividend, mutual fund distribution, or bond interest payment is made or scheduled to be made. Also called distribution date.
http://www.investorwords.com/3635/payment_date.html
Due Bills
A printed statement serving as evidence of the transfer of a security from the seller to the buyer. The statement details the breakdown of the amount owed by the buyer to the seller, such as security cost, dividends, interest, and any other charges.
http://www.investorwords.com/5528/due_bill.html
Rules from the NASD http://www.nasd.com/web/groups/rules_regs/documents/notice_to_members/nasdw_003997.pdf
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=+=+=+= GVRP – the saga begins =+=+=+=
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#msg-6368562
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/17/2005 9:38:02 AM
GVRP (2.50 x 3.50) 3,000,000 to 1 Forward Split, trading now, who knows maybe I just threw money away lol!
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=GVRP&dDate=05/23/2005&sDateType=ex_date
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#msg-6369015
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 43625
Date:5/17/2005 10:02:31 AM
Usually it's a tactic to remove shareholders, by creating fractional shares, this basically worked out to previous holders to be a 1-2.2 reverse split. But I threw money into to this just in case these shares selling are coming in short by the MM's or hope a few are making a big mistake selling here, thinking they have forward split shares in their account. If not, the insiders are enjoying this.
There will be an insane amount of shares floating after the forward split, on the sale of the current shares.
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#msg-6369111
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43629
Date:5/17/2005 10:07:23 AM
This is going to be one of those confusing all out type plays - love it.
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#msg-6369217
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43633
Date:5/17/2005 10:12:49 AM
Someone should call Davenport and ask him if he knows the stock hasn't forward split yet........
Someone could be bankrupt if they have to deliver all those shares
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#msg-6369299
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43634
Date:5/17/2005 10:17:42 AM
I guess if the MM's realize what’s up they will be covering soon.
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#msg-6369634
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43647
Date:5/17/2005 10:34:03 AM
I'm sure glad people still get these dates confused!! LMAO - Wayne, I'm not straightening people out on dividend dates anymore.
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#msg-6369730
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43650
Date:5/17/2005 10:39:34 AM
So now when will this scenario possibly blow up? Before, on or after the ex date????? I am till trying to understand this confusing situation...Seems like EFGI is the seller and filling all buys coming his way...TIA
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#msg-6369840
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 43654
Date:5/17/2005 10:46:19 AM
Monday it splits.
1 scenario - it's a MM selling short, he will realize his error and all trades will be broken.
2nd scenario, it is some dumb schmuck selling that doesn't understand x-dates. In this case he is unlikely to have the $ to be able to cover the shares he will need to. So no idea what could happen
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#msg-6370067
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43658
Date:5/17/2005 10:57:18 AM
For their sake, they better find out this week, I may sell them some back - at $100 heh!
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#msg-6370483
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43663
Date:5/17/2005 11:19:47 AM
I'm going over scenarios in my head, and I just don't see a way for the seller to get out of this
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#msg-6370491
Posted by: pontius
Date:5/17/2005 11:20:09 AM
I talked to guy at company (GVRP) and he said the list is messed up and that they've notified to get it corrected, he also said they have an incorrect symbol change listed as well. It seems everyone is confused. He said the split list had it wrong, and the company has notified them to have it corrected. Also said that the stock is currently trading post split. Who knows, said he's gotten a lot of calls from a lot of traders and firms about this. I hope he's wrong but just a heads up, he may not know what’s up either. Overall too confusing...
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#msg-6370513
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43671
Date:5/17/2005 11:21:40 AM
Must be the new company selling, they are usually clueless when they first go public.
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#msg-6370558
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 43674
Date:5/17/2005 11:23:49 AM
Yup - NASDAQ assigns the FS Ex-Date, not them - NASDAQ date is correct!
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#msg-6370568
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 43675
Date:5/17/2005 11:24:53 AM
FS never occurred and they issued it. They have to cover these shares.
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#msg-6370623
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 43683
Date:5/17/2005 11:27:32 AM
Looks like the company is the one who made the mistake and is selling. LOL. Rofl. Awesome.
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#msg-6370671
Posted by: pontius
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43676
Date:5/17/2005 11:29:53 AM
He was assuring me it was done splitting both ways. if they messed up that bad its gonna be a big problem to cover a few billion shares LOL
I called this #:
CONTACT: Media Magic, Inc., West Palm Beach
Dennis Ruggeri, 561-820-2444
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#msg-6370696
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 43688
Date:5/17/2005 11:31:20 AM
He’s wrong. Naz sets date. They will have to eat these. ROFL. its them selling.
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#msg-6370715
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 43688
Date:5/17/2005 11:32:56 AM
Dennis is selling - and is in trouble LOL! His shares have FS due bills attached to them! They got all set up to dump on today's news release, and did - bad timing.
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#msg-6370760
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 43688
Date:5/17/2005 11:35:06 AM
Dennis is selling through this Brokerage Dealer: check the numbers:
ST JAMES VENTURE GROUP
625 N FLAGLER DR STE 509 WEST PALM BEACH, FL 33401
(561) 820-2444
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#msg-6370812
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 43688
Date:5/17/2005 11:38:06 AM
Well, maybe someone should explain to him that the stock has NOT forward split and at the present time there exist shareholders that now own the company 50X over. Whoever sold today no longer owns any shares and is SHORT.
There is only 1 way out
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#msg-6370843
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43693
Date:5/17/2005 11:40:07 AM
Good so call St James and ask them how Dennis plans to cover 22 billion shares Monday
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#msg-6371001
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43706
Date:5/17/2005 11:51:00 AM
You would think that common sense would tell the seller that they way it is trading in 100 lots that the FS has not been done also does he think the company is worth billions if it is trading at 4.25 currently and the shares are out there?
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#msg-6371065
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43711
Date:5/17/2005 11:56:25 AM
It'll be moronic if he continues to sell the next three days.
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#msg-6371092
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43713
Date:5/17/2005 11:58:06 AM
I can't see them halting this because there really is no confusion the ex dates on the otc site are really clear and confusion free...Just seems they jumped the gun with the PR and dumping..IMO
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#msg-6371366
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43731
Date:5/17/2005 12:12:26 PM
Funny part is people have tried to tell him and he is still selling.....
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#msg-6372137
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: bgoody who wrote msg# 43762
Date:5/17/2005 12:54:48 PM
GVRP is a lottery ticket that will most likely redefine our understanding of the market, such as it is.
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Note the foreshadowing of this post!
#msg-6372170
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: None
Date:5/17/2005 12:56:14 PM
Post # of 85343
Company has to put out a PR soon. Bet it will be full of untruths.
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#msg-6372183
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 43771
Date:5/17/2005 12:57:02 PM
Probably worst that can happen to us is trades get cancelled....but damned if I know for sure.
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#msg-6372205
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 43774
Date:5/17/2005 12:58:27 PM
That is what I am thinking but the ex date is spelled out clearly in the OTC BB portal...how can they just cancel..They didn't cancel GLKC....
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#msg-6372207
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 43775
Date:5/17/2005 12:58:31 PM
looks like a transfer agent error IMO>
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#msg-6372352
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/17/2005 1:07:12 PM
The seller today MUST pay attention to this: All shares trading today are with Due Bills attached. The due bill is the FS certificate.
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#msg-6372392
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 43788
Date:5/17/2005 1:09:39 PM
Something tells me that he is not paying attention.....
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#msg-6372398
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 43784
Date:5/17/2005 1:09:50 PM
That's true, and it caused a squeeze, MSSI directors were convinced the shares were post split, even issued a press release, but we knew better, got our shares, and they were wrong.
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#msg-6372524
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 43799
Date:5/17/2005 1:19:27 PM
Can’t believe the company hasn’t halted selling. They are really screwing up and haven’t done anything about it.
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#msg-6372586
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 43800
Date:5/17/2005 1:23:39 PM
if no one wants to call, maybe someone should find his email
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#msg-6372599
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43801
Date:5/17/2005 1:24:08 PM
Lol. Some people tried. Nuts. Simply amazing.. He better cover his a$$ soon.
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http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=6372633
Posted by: pontius
Date:5/17/2005 1:26:57 PM
I also spoke with lady at otcbb.com who confirmed that the stock has not split and is cruising with due bills.
crazy
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#msg-6372640
Posted by: pontius
Date:5/17/2005 1:27:40 PM
Market Data Integrity 203-375-9609
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#msg-6372761
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: jobynimble who wrote msg# 43817
Date:5/17/2005 1:35:56 PM
Something like this only comes along one or two times a life time....
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#msg-6373064
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/17/2005 1:54:03 PM
When will EFGI MM or player through there smarten up.
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#msg-6373227
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Churak who wrote msg# 43847
Date:5/17/2005 2:02:15 PM
Once EFGI (or person behind them) either realizes or gets out of the way, this is going to get real interesting, real fast.....
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#msg-6373400
Posted by: PDC
Date:5/17/2005 2:11:42 PM
How the hell is EFGI not WAKING UP!!!! this is mind boggling
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#msg-6373417
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 43863
Date:5/17/2005 2:12:55 PM
Agree, can anyone offer up any other explanation or scenario other than stupidity???
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#msg-6373900
Posted by: PDC
Date:5/17/2005 2:41:31 PM
I am in total and utter disbelief. this is crazy seller with EFGI better start covering his a$$
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#msg-6374712
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/17/2005 3:22:47 PM
Everybody - Copy this page, or print it for backup:
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/dividend.asp?sym_id=GVRP&dDate=05/23/2005&sDateType=ex_date
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#msg-6374743
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/17/2005 3:24:16 PM
I ask all to make a copy of it, in case by some fluke it gets pulled - then our lawyers can go to work.
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More Foreshadowing…
#msg-6374858
Posted by: PDC
Date:5/17/2005 3:29:58 PM
Still expecting that "explanation PR" filled with lies.
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#msg-6375818
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 43974
Date:5/17/2005 4:15:12 PM
Well, I've been laughing pretty much since market open because of this stock. The entertainment value is priceless
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#msg-6375824
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43990
Date:5/17/2005 4:15:53 PM
Let's hope the financial value will be just as priceless as well.......
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#msg-6375840
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43990
Date:5/17/2005 4:17:11 PM
EFGI amazes me. The company are idiots if selling and HAVE to cover this. They should have today once realizing the mistake. It’s amazing.
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The shit officially starts hitting the fan…
#msg-6375943
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 43994
Date:5/17/2005 4:24:38 PM
call to transfer agent, after R/S there are 3 shareholders, forward split to be paid 5/23
Someone's got some splainin to do
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#msg-6375959
Posted by: PDC
Date:5/17/2005 4:26:11 PM
TA confirmed ... this is legit ... someone is way short and has to cover. We are gold and Xdate is on Monday. Smile
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#msg-6376138
Posted by: Art2Gecko
Date:5/17/2005 4:43:41 PM
So who's gonna have the shorts on their books, the MM's, the company selling, or both?
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#msg-6376156
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Art2Gecko who wrote msg# 44020
Date:5/17/2005 4:45:10 PM
Due bills owed by the sellers.
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#msg-6376995
Posted by: Buckey
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 44055
Date:5/17/2005 6:52:54 PM
Imagine the volume on Monday - It will make the big days of CMKX seem like child’s Play LOL
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#msg-6377038
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Buckey who wrote msg# 44057
Date:5/17/2005 6:58:54 PM
Lol. Its nuts.
Transfer Agent:
Interwest Transfer Co., Inc., Salt Lake City, UT 84117 -- 801-272-9294, Ext. 18, Lorraine Smith, verified On May 17, 2005 at 6:54 EST that the Ex-dividend Date is 5/23/2005 with the Due Bill Redeemable Date: 05/25/2005. It is a 3,000,000:1 Forward Split
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#msg-6377208
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 44061
Date:5/17/2005 7:16:48 PM
So far in my experience on these split and div foul ups with dates, the companies are batting ZIPPO ZERO and NASD batting 1000.
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#msg-6377370
Posted by: PDC
Date:5/17/2005 7:40:16 PM
The company needs to know that the only way they can save there buts is by buying back most tomorrow. If they p*ssyfoot around they will find themselves in real trouble.
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#msg-6377611
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 44085
Date:5/17/2005 8:14:24 PM
They should have FS it on the same date they did the reverse split like every other company does, but they screwed up by adding in ONLY the spin off around the same time, of Homeland Productions Inc. When I saw the forward split was still to come, I put the symbol on watch, waiting for a foolish MM to come into the box #msg-6321662 and sell early - we'll it happened LMAO!
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#msg-6377691
Posted by: eviltweety
Date:5/17/2005 8:25:44 PM
It seems to me that I'm in on this voyage with several very experienced, very knowledgeable guys.... including the ever watchful Jim Bishop Smile
I'm delighted........
Tweety
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#msg-6377768
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44121
Date:5/17/2005 8:36:37 PM
Every one of us owns the company a few times over pre split, so the seller has to buy back just about every share the way I see it. That means you can be a play all by yourself, once "If" everyone sells before you, demand as much as you like lol. Give them to him 1 share at a time at $3250.
This is so much fun!
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#msg-6378175
Posted by: slow_feet
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 44150
Date:5/17/2005 9:23:42 PM
Perhaps someone should call EFGI:
EFGI /EMPIRE FINANCIAL GROUP, INC. //LONGWOOD FL/407-774-1334
EFGI /EMPIRE FINANCIAL GROUP, INC. //LONGWOOD FL/800-579-8100
maybe they know something we don't?
Just a thought...
(tomorrow of course)
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#msg-6378348
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: slow_feet who wrote msg# 44153
Date:5/17/2005 9:41:06 PM
Someone did. They know they are screwed.
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#msg-6378706
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Modern_Rock who wrote msg# 44159
Date:5/17/2005 10:17:29 PM
They screwed up, they owe delivery of shares now, how they do it is their problem, I will not discuss possible solutions to aid these morons a way out on this thread. They reverse split the original stuckholders out by pulling off the 6.5/3MM RS/FS. They wanted to screw them out of this next reverse merger play of theirs, and ended up with a nice mess for them to take care of.
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#msg-6379753
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: bobkubecka who wrote msg# 44201
Date:5/18/2005 12:04:04 AM
LOL. Its time the SEC do something for investors. Company and EFGI screwed up. Period. Now they have to fix it.
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#msg-6379778
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 44202
Date:5/18/2005 12:08:06 AM
They should have to fix it the same way we would..Buy them back.......If someone got called/caught in a margin call I never heard the NASD/SEC tell an investor, you made a mistake buying that crappy stock, don't worry we'll let it go you don't have to pay....
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#msg-6379779
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: zentman who wrote msg# 44203
Date:5/18/2005 12:08:11 AM
Nothing really can be wrong. Per NASD website (definitive authority) and TA (those in charge of the shares) the ex-dividend date is 5/23. The company and EFGI, for bad advice, are liable for the short position --- SHOULD be no way around that. If they find a way around it .. #1 SEC saying "fu*k you investors" #2 They would (IMO) break all trades with everyone at B/E.
Those SHOULD be the ONLY 2 possible scenarios. It’s completely RICH or B/E and we all know that they are required to cover this position and if EFGI and the company try to sneak around this I would be calling a lawyer.
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#msg-6380361
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: zentman who wrote msg# 44229
Date:5/18/2005 3:15:44 AM
I think, but am not sure, that if a broker/dealer accepted to sell the shares for the client and the client is unable to deliver then it is the broker/dealer that is on the line for delivery.
Money has to come from somewhere for us to make out like bandits, someone with deep pockets needs to get stuck with the bill
Anyway, we have one for the textbooks here
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#msg-6381898
Posted by: PDC
Date:5/18/2005 9:28:04 AM
Can’t believe EFGI is on ask.. WTF.
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#msg-6382138
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: PDC who wrote msg# 44262
Date:5/18/2005 9:39:43 AM
I can't think of anything the company could be doing that will alleviate this mess someone is in. EFGI definitely still taking control early.
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#msg-6382167
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44264
Date:5/18/2005 9:41:38 AM
There's always the chance GVRP think they are right and NASD wrong, same thing happened with MSSI..If that's the case, they digging themselves in deeper...LOL the deeper the better for us as far as I can see.
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#msg-6382516
Posted by: jobynimble
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44298
Date:5/18/2005 9:57:19 AM
Well, I guess we're not halted, lmao!
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#msg-6382892
Posted by: Buckey
In reply to: Art2Gecko who wrote msg# 44318
Date:5/18/2005 10:13:55 AM
OK here are the goods from Scotia Macleod - They have no information on the any split yesterday or the day before.
Their note to phone traders is to inform the client of the reverse split of May 11th ONLY.
This is very good - she called direct to floor and verified with her manager
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#msg-6383712
Posted by: H2NRG
In reply to: zentman who wrote msg# 44377
Date:5/18/2005 10:51:40 AM
GVRP's A/S would have had to been in the trillions pre-R/S for them to be dumping these shares right now out of treasury.
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#msg-6383861
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 43999
Date:5/18/2005 10:57:33 AM
Wayne I just talked to both Brendy and Lorraine at Interwest Transfer. I've confirmed that post R/S but before F/S there are 11 shares outstanding.
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#msg-6383888
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44394
Date:5/18/2005 10:58:44 AM
11 shares confirmed! LMAO!!
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#msg-6383927
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/18/2005 11:00:14 AM
Someone must think they have 33 million shares to trade!!
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#msg-6383966
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Art2Gecko who wrote msg# 44396
Date:5/18/2005 11:01:34 AM
GVRP Okay here's the deal.
Brendy at Interwest told me there were 33 million shares out as of close yesterday. She could not tell me how many of those are restricted. She said that is post R/S but she didn't seem to know about any F/S.
I said, that makes no sense. If that is before the F/S and there is a 3 million to 1 F/S coming Monday, that means there will be 99 TRILLION shares out Monday morning...how many do they have authorized. That's when she passed me on to Lorraine.
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An Instant Classic!
#msg-6384026
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44403
Date:5/18/2005 11:04:15 AM
GVRP conversation with Lorraine at Interwest.
Lorraine confirms there are 33 million outstanding today. To make long story short, they adjusted their system for the 3 million F/S last Friday the 13th which is record date.
I told her that is wrong, that the F/S doesn't actually take effect until Ex Div date and NASD has set that date as May 23rd, Monday. She said, "that's not how we do it".
LOL I said, well that's how NASD does it and anyone selling those shares before Ex date, sells the split shares too.
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The Mistake pinpointed
#msg-6384056
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44407
Date:5/18/2005 11:05:54 AM
There it is - the T/A screwed up, they delivered the shares to the company ahead of time WOW~!!
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#msg-6384060
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44406
Date:5/18/2005 11:06:07 AM
As far as I am concerned both the company and the T/A have f'd up bigtime here. Neither understand Ex Dividend date.
NASD says we are right, the T/A says they are right.
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#msg-6384101
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44397
Date:5/18/2005 11:07:57 AM
Yeppers, according to the rules, and I think NASD will agree, as of this moment there should be 11 shares outstanding...TOTAL!
33 million divided by 3 million = 11 just as your calculator said.
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#msg-6384104
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44407
Date:5/18/2005 11:08:02 AM
She is correct about 33 million outstanding. However, in the trading market there are 11 shares available to trade, with 33 million due bills attached to them
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#msg-6384130
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44420
Date:5/18/2005 11:09:18 AM
YES Wayne. We should all be prepared to stick to our guns, and the rules. I WILL be holding stock Monday morning no matter what happens between now and then and DEMANDING my 3 million split shares for each share I owned at close on Friday.
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#msg-6384136
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: bobkubecka who wrote msg# 44422
Date:5/18/2005 11:09:45 AM
Well with that kind of thinking I guess Monday is the day this plays out as they continue along their merry way... Wish I waited until today because I'd have twice as many billion. I wasn't counting on their stupidity to continue.....LOL
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#msg-6384232
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44421
Date:5/18/2005 11:14:50 AM
If this is how they do it all the time we should just follow all their RS and FS transaction stocks and screw the rest of the market.....
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#msg-6384437
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44450
Date:5/18/2005 11:25:45 AM
Yes Mike it certainly should be cut and dried and very simple...I figure right now, being conservative and taking into consideration some flippers, they owe probably 150 BILLION split shares.
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#msg-6384564
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44447
Date:5/18/2005 11:31:49 AM
I am on hold with NASD now.
Main number is 301-590-6500
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#msg-6384626
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44464
Date:5/18/2005 11:34:49 AM
I've been redirected to NASD Market Regulation
240-386-5126 sheesh, it's busy.
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#msg-6384782
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: pontius who wrote msg# 44470
Date:5/18/2005 11:42:25 AM
Looks like they won't catch on until Monday when the share demands are made, they'll just keep dumping tomorrow and Friday, unless they wisen up.
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#msg-6385237
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44474
Date:5/18/2005 12:03:40 PM
I'm now talking to someone at NASD Customer Complaints who is trying to figure out what is happening, will happen...he's gotta talk to someone else...so far he agrees with everything I've said...including if OTC Daily List is wrong that might be construed as some sort of false advertising.
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#msg-6385267
Posted by: Art2Gecko
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44489
Date:5/18/2005 12:05:01 PM
Wonder if they will call the company, or selling MM's and say "yo, chief... you got a lil' problemo here...."
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#msg-6385372
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44477
Date:5/18/2005 12:09:24 PM
Wayne, this guy John at NASD is telling me NASDAQ set the ex div date...he's gone for help now.
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#msg-6385394
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44498
Date:5/18/2005 12:10:45 PM
it is what it is, otherwise the market is a free-for-all
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#msg-6385408
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Art2Gecko who wrote msg# 44492
Date:5/18/2005 12:11:25 PM
He wanted to know if I have any direct knowledge of any fraud or illegal trading....LOL I said nope, all I know is my L2 screen, what the T/A told me and what is "advertised" on the OTC Other Portal Daily List.
He's now calling NASDAQ and will call me back.
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#msg-6385507
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44508
Date:5/18/2005 12:16:44 PM
The post that disappeared;
I was just saying that NASD has said before that ex-date is the date the stock trades without dividend, if companies don't understand that then tough. There have to be rules otherwise the markets would be a free-for-all. That was in a PR a few years ago when we had a similar problem. Company had to back down
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The NASD Speaks:
#msg-6385602
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44511
Date:5/18/2005 12:21:14 PM
EVERYONE! I'm saying this once for now then I gotta get moving.
Brian at NASD Customer Complaints just called back after confirming with NASDAQ that GVRP ex dividend date it May 23 and it is trading Due Bills redeemable and yes....if I own it Monday morning I will be owed 3 million shares for every one share I own and they are due to be paid to me on or before the Due bills date of May 25th.
NASDAQ agrees.
LOL Brian adds, "good luck Jim, I just hope that paper is worth something
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#msg-6385716
Posted by: DesertRat1
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44513
Date:5/18/2005 12:26:51 PM
GREAT. Smile I sent an email to Gerald C. Parker and Robert W. Pearce (two new board members mentioned in yesterday's PR) at the contact email:
http://www.digikidz.com/contact.htm
This is the new company, right? I addressed it to them and "Management" I told that that if they were selling shares before 5/23 they would need to cover 3,000,000:1 for each share. And they could contact me with any questions. LOL.
Maybe if they don't know what's going on, this will help.
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#msg-6386101
Posted by: idaho_spud
Date:5/18/2005 12:45:24 PM
Shouldn't NASDAQ step in at this point and freeze the company and its broker from selling anymore shares? Everyone involved should now be aware that the seller (whether intentional or not) is playing with shares it doesn't own.
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#msg-6386851
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44594
Date:5/18/2005 1:21:30 PM
I have now confirmed with EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. They are wrong and better cover today or tomorrow.
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#msg-6386951
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44594
Date:5/18/2005 1:27:51 PM
They are carrying on, just another one of their merger dump shares, deals in pinkee land, yes without question this stock will inevitable go to subpenny again in time, ignorantly carrying on with their ways, and they will face a rude awakening soon. The outcome of which no one can be certain.
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#msg-6387152
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: jobynimble who wrote msg# 44605
Date:5/18/2005 1:40:24 PM
They all think they have 33 million shares to trade, when in fact it's only 11 shares officially. They think the stock is post split 3,000,000 to 1 already. That's why they keep selling - they don't know yet, and the T/A is clueless by their "That's how we do it" statement.
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#msg-6387533
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44637
Date:5/18/2005 1:59:20 PM
Exactly nice point. If they allowed this to happen without covering it opens a Pandora’s box up.
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#msg-6387843
Posted by: bobs23
In reply to: Runners who wrote msg# 44663
Date:5/18/2005 2:13:53 PM
Just got off the phone with etrade....shares WILL be in my account on Monday but I need to call and sell them over the phone...lmao..broker said.."Somebody made a mistake"....I said .."No chit"..lmao!!!!
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#msg-6387904
Posted by: pontius
Date:5/18/2005 2:17:13 PM
FROM AMTD: (I know confirmation been beaten to death but...)
Dear Valued Izone Client,
As long as you have the shares in your account by the close of business
on Friday, you will eligible for the split. The actual ex-dividend
date for this stock is 5/23.
Sincerely,
Client Services
Ameritrade Izone
Division of Ameritrade, Inc.
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The Company starts their “Spin”
#msg-6388060
Posted by: DesertRat1
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44672
Date:5/18/2005 2:25:05 PM
SSP, Important!, I just got a call from a "Peter" at digikidz. He tried to explain their take on things. Can you please call him at 561-820-2444. I told him I am by no means an expert in this, and wanted to put someone else in contact with more knowledge on the issue. Can you please call or can someone else here call. Jim? Art? Heck, maybe we should ALL call! lol
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#msg-6388095
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: DesertRat1 who wrote msg# 44681
Date:5/18/2005 2:26:29 PM
Forget it, he deserves to lose his company next week.
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The morons are still clueless
#msg-6388771
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/18/2005 2:59:37 PM
Got this responds from the largest shareholders after I warned them of their mistake:
"My group has done this deal and we are the largest shareholder, but I still don’t why you are telling me??"
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#msg-6388797
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44721
Date:5/18/2005 3:01:05 PM
Ask him who has been selling and how they plan to come up with the stock for us by due bills date.
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#msg-6388896
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44726
Date:5/18/2005 3:05:50 PM
LOL ....Peter would be wise to speak with Naz, NASD, his T/A and his securities counsel pretty quickly I'd say.
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#msg-6389085
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/18/2005 3:15:10 PM
Well, I gave him a very detailed explanation of the shit they are in and going to be facing come Monday. If they still don't get it, then let them find out the hard way.
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#msg-6389124
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: bob41 who wrote msg# 44743
Date:5/18/2005 3:17:16 PM
LOL - I even said to them - You really believe all this volume the last two days is because of yesterday's merger news? It was alerted that you made a big mistake selling prematurely - your transfer agent delivered the shares incorrectly. There will be a TRILLION shares or more needed to cover coming MONDAY!!
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#msg-6389164
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44747
Date:5/18/2005 3:19:10 PM
I know. Amazing and amazing they have the balls to just keep on selling. ROTF ... they really deserve this. For once, just reward.
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#msg-6389275
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44760
Date:5/18/2005 3:24:37 PM
We need some covering. A lot of big money is at fault here. NASD correct, TA correct .. Brokerages, broker dealer EFGI and company all SHOULD do their part.
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#msg-6389436
Posted by: Mike2112
Date:5/18/2005 3:32:18 PM
With all that went on today, I think everyone has to know what is going on company, MMs, NASD etc. but it continues trading along like nothing is wrong..Remarkable....
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#msg-6389460
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44763
Date:5/18/2005 3:33:16 PM
Save those emails, save everything, archive everything.
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#msg-6389617
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/18/2005 3:42:34 PM
EMAIL REPLY! - They are still clueless!
From: Peter Kirschner
To: 'SSP'
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: GVRP
This clearly shows record date as of 5/13/2005 so……… if you owned it then guess you would get the dividend
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#msg-6389630
Posted by: Mike2112
Date:5/18/2005 3:43:08 PM
And they just keep dropping it lower and keep selling.....unbelievable.......wonder if someone like NASDAQ will step in prior to Monday and make them cover or at least convince them that they have to (since they have no clue it seems LOL
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#msg-6389657
Posted by: Art2Gecko
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44795
Date:5/18/2005 3:44:23 PM
I think that bozo needs to read this http://www.nasd.com/web/groups/rules_regs/documents/notice_to_members/nasdw_003997.pdf
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#msg-6389682
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44795
Date:5/18/2005 3:45:16 PM
Someone please send him NASDAQ’s number or at least beg him to call...LOL
I hate watching a train wreck.....LOL
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#msg-6389687
Posted by: pontius
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44795
Date:5/18/2005 3:45:34 PM
Yup that’s what I got on the phone with him. He thinks the spin-off coming Monday is the old corporation which its 2 subdivisions merged and are spinning off blah blah, and the the f/s already occurred for him. Entirely unbelievable. He must be peeing himself on all the demand for his stock.
Man oh man this is great. Definitely worth the ride on the lotto train !
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#msg-6389734
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44795
Date:5/18/2005 3:47:31 PM
He CLEARLY shows he don't know the rules.
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#msg-6389829
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44816
Date:5/18/2005 3:51:51 PM
You would think even the dumbest person would second guess themselves and check it out with all the calls and email he is getting. I would say how can so many be wrong......
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#msg-6389845
Posted by: PDC
In reply to: eviltweety who wrote msg# 44818
Date:5/18/2005 3:52:35 PM
Difference is that you'd think they would KNOW before selling -- RESEARCH and call NASD etc... And immediately HALT the selling but noooooooo these dipchits keep a selling away.
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#msg-6389862
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: eviltweety who wrote msg# 44818
Date:5/18/2005 3:53:19 PM
Yeppers, he had to retract some statemnents he'd made in news and basically say, yeppers those message board posters are right.
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#msg-6390187
Posted by: Mike2112
Date:5/18/2005 4:09:15 PM
Steve, Jim, Pat, Art and all the traders smarter than me here (just about everyone LOL)........Well now that it has been established that the seller is an idiot and he is going to continue to sell for the remainder of the week (since I assume folks will still buy because we know he is an idiot) and the price is going to keep going down from his selling pressure, what is your best guess of what will happen Monday morning, since it does not appear we will not see any covering....TIA
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#msg-6390313
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44841
Date:5/18/2005 4:17:29 PM
Confusion, chaos and many calls to brokers, t/a, NASD, Naz, the company etc etc.
LOL and if that don't work, the DD starts in earnest and then in addition to the above, who knows...the SEC DOJ Treasury FBI and the Post Office, depending on what comes up.
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#msg-6390718
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Dream who wrote msg# 44867
Date:5/18/2005 4:59:31 PM
Hard to say, depends on what happened. The TA is correct in saying there are presently 33 million shares outstanding, because there are. However, from a trading standpoint, there are only 11 shares with 32,999,989 shares attatched to them as due bills.
Now the TA could theoreticly replaced a cert evidencing 1 share with a cert evidencing 3 million shares already. But it's a cert for a stock that only starts trading on Monday.
Who's at fault? who knows. Everyone up and down the line will blame someone else, but ultimately I think the onus is on the seller to be aware of what he is selling.
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#msg-6391119
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: investordude who wrote msg# 44879
Date:5/18/2005 5:53:37 PM
no short squeeze until the seller realises he is selling something he doesn't have, and he appears to not want to believe that this is the case.
When he does come out of denial, the next question is, how deep are his pockets
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#msg-6391127
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44882
Date:5/18/2005 5:54:47 PM
Now what happens if his pockets aren't too deep????
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#msg-6391131
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44883
Date:5/18/2005 5:55:56 PM
There's the rub, and I do not know the answer
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#msg-6391150
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44884
Date:5/18/2005 6:00:58 PM
The only thing that tells me there has to be some accountability for the shares and they can't just fold up is that every company (person) on the pinks could just do it (sell shares they don't have, do RS's, FS's with no reprecussion).... There has to be some regulation even for the pinkies....
If you have a margin call you can't just take your money left and bolt and the NASD say that's OK no problem...
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#msg-6391172
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Dream who wrote msg# 44888
Date:5/18/2005 6:04:30 PM
I still think the T/A and MMs have to have some responsibility in this. The T/A delivered the shares early and the MMs are selling a stock that they have to know there are only 11 tradeable OS for.
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#msg-6391249
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44892
Date:5/18/2005 6:16:08 PM
I don't know if anything of this magnitude has happened before. One thing for sure, we're going to learn a lot as will the seller(s).
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#msg-6391265
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44901
Date:5/18/2005 6:18:10 PM
He should be the loser here though not us in this mess......IMO
but what do I know
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#msg-6391325
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Wayne R who wrote msg# 44904
Date:5/18/2005 6:25:42 PM
I'm very sure that Brian at NASD Customer Complaints will remember our conversation today and will remember what he was told by Nasdaq... and he won't be surprised to hear from me again with a legitimate complaint should they fail to deliver.
Make note of the number in case I'm hit by a train or something.
250-386-5105 NASD
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#msg-6391470
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Mr. Bill who wrote msg# 44919
Date:5/18/2005 6:52:06 PM
Certainly, if a bunch of idiots like us can figure out there is 11 shares outstanding, certainly a broker/dealer can figure it out as well.
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#msg-6391548
Posted by: Wayne R
In reply to: Churak who wrote msg# 44928
Date:5/18/2005 7:05:11 PM
I almost feel sorry for the poor schmuck that is selling. He doesn't know what he got himself into
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#msg-6392038
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mr. Bill who wrote msg# 44916
Date:5/18/2005 8:05:42 PM
That might fit. While it's the seller's responsibility if he cannot or will not deliver the shares hopefully whomever acted for him is then obligated.
"If you sell your stock before the ex-dividend date, you also are selling away your right to the stock dividend. Your sale includes an obligation to deliver any shares acquired as a result of the dividend to the buyer of your shares, since the seller will receive an I.O.U. or "due bill" from his or her broker for the additional shares."
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#msg-6392140
Posted by: Mr. Bill
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 44959
Date:5/18/2005 8:15:52 PM
JB, so the first 11 shares they sold negated the 33,000,000 shares they received in the first place ? Would you agree?
and...
Subsequent sells of the stock in excess of their original 11 shares are then "borrowed" stock that they did not own at pre FS prices and due the 3M to 1 FS as well. They are on the hook to pay the IOU back on the shorted shares + dividend.
So it seems then that all but 33M of the shares on Monday will be Naked Short shares? Would you agree with that?
Man this is crazier than the CMKI fiasco where some brokers had deposited pre FS shares into peoles accounts early and they sold them. That was like a 10-to-1 FS if I remember correctly. That one opened at like .08 cents and ran downward to near .01 cent before it turned and ran back upwards.
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#msg-6392183
Posted by: woody880
In reply to: Mr. Bill who wrote msg# 44968
Date:5/18/2005 8:21:48 PM
All the posts today that mentioned contacting the company, none of them indicated that the company was even worried the slightest.
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#msg-6392548
Posted by: H2NRG
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 44981
Date:5/18/2005 9:10:21 PM
Someone should keep good notes and write up the story of GVRP for possible publication. Perhaps the person(s) who own a large chunk(s) could file their 13Ds, and also keep notes for their memoirs. There has been plenty of fodder on this board for a good adventurous account of the Gluv Corporation debacle and its possible downfall. Who knows -- maybe Dateline NBC might be interested? LOL.
I am serious, however, about someone who is knowledgable about trading writing this up. It could be quite mind-opening for the general public.
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#msg-6393058
Posted by: Art2Gecko
In reply to: Mr. Bill who wrote msg# 44916
Date:5/18/2005 10:19:01 PM
Now this is interesting, from that post of rule 203b.....
B. Short Sales in Threshold Securities — Rule 203(b)(3)
1. Threshold Securities - The Commission has decided to adopt, with certain modifications from what was proposed, additional requirements targeted at stocks that have a substantial amount of failures to deliver. As adopted, Rule 203(b)(3) requires any participant of a registered clearing agency ("participant") 80 to take action on all failures to deliver that exist in such securities ten days after the normal settlement date, i.e., 13 consecutive settlement days.81 Specifically, the participant is required to close out the fail to deliver position by purchasing securities of like kind and quantity.
http://www.sec.gov/rules/final/34-50103.htm
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#msg-6393124
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: SSP who wrote msg# 44995
Date:5/18/2005 10:30:18 PM
Now you would think a venture group would know the rules. The funniest part is you tried to help them out by telling them and they ignored ignored you and continued to dig the hole deeper... I suspect more of the same tomorrow unless an anvil has hit them in the head.
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#msg-6393130
Posted by: SSP
Date:5/18/2005 10:30:43 PM
Dennis Ruggeri at (561) 820-2444 = ST JAMES VENTURE GROUP = http://www.royalpalmcgi.com
and royalpalmingcgi contact "Administrator", info@royalpalmcgi.com told me this:
"My group has done this deal and we are the largest shareholder, but I still don’t why you are telling me??"
Also Peter Kirschner email = pkirschner@stjamesvgi.com
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#msg-6393186
Posted by: Art2Gecko
In reply to: Mr. Bill who wrote msg# 44997
Date:5/18/2005 10:40:22 PM
I sent an email to allan Swartz @ pinksheets who I've emailed about a few things before... BCIT last week.. he still can't figure that one out.... he's been calling people for a week...
They are keenly interested in the whole naked short subject http://www.pinksheets.com/otcguide/issuers_shortsellingletter.jsp
so I decided to send them a new and amazing poster child.
outlined the scenario and included a link to the board here - #board-3925
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#msg-6393277
Posted by: Mr. Bill
In reply to: Art2Gecko who wrote msg# 45005
Date:5/18/2005 10:50:51 PM
Great work Art. Kinda hard to explain a volume of 172,000 shares when the entire tradeable OS is 11. Hummmm, since these guys are insiders arent they required to file form 4s with the SEC on insider buys and or sells? I know AJAY does. Also, aren't they limited to selling like 5% of their holdings a quarter or something like that? If indeed that was the case it would make the
TRADEABLE FLOAT ...........................................
What 1 SHARE ?
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#msg-6393297
Posted by: SSP
In reply to: Mike2112 who wrote msg# 45004
Date:5/18/2005 10:53:59 PM
All this, and he's clueless about stock split dates:
Mr. Peter Kirschner
President/Director
Mr. Kirschner is an accomplished financier and manager with eleven years experience in the brokerage industry. After beginning his career with Lehman Brothers and Oppenheimer, Mr. Kirschner opened his own independent offices where he supervised a large staff of retail stockbrokers and support personnel. During that time, he was involved in several takeovers and IPO's. Mr. Kirschner has extensive knowledge of public markets, finance, mergers and acquisitions. He has also served as President and CEO of a public network service provider and internet company providing online data storage. During his presidency, Mr. Kirschner increased the market capitalization of that company by over 400%. Most recently Mr. Kirschner was a Founder and Director of a private debt and equity fund involved in mergers and acquisitions. He is a graduate of the University of Bridgeport, where he earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Finance and Banking.
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#msg-6393338
Posted by: Art2Gecko
In reply to: LT_Matt who wrote msg# 45020
Date:5/18/2005 10:59:43 PM
Matt, check here http://www.sec.gov/rules/final/34-50103.htm
go down to section V Rule 203 — Locate and Delivery Requirements for Short Sales
I think the TA was at fault in her/their mistake ("that's how we do it", that's gotta be the classic line of this whole fiasco, lol) but I think the broker/dealer will be the one responsible in the end
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#msg-6393441
Posted by: Art2Gecko
In reply to: Jim Bishop who wrote msg# 45037
Date:5/18/2005 11:19:50 PM
they got an awful lot of witnesses now and documentation, gonna be hard to sidestep the rules, i think..
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#msg-6393456
Posted by: Mike2112
In reply to: Art2Gecko who wrote msg# 45050
Date:5/18/2005 11:22:51 PM
And to make matters worse they received several calls alerting them to the situation and they ignored them and continued on their merry way...
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#msg-6393597
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: Mr. Bill who wrote msg# 45075
Date:5/18/2005 11:44:13 PM
LOL ya...our attitude is "SOMEONE HAS TO PAY US" ...rules are rules all we are doing is playing by the rules.
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#msg-6393653
Posted by: Art2Gecko
Date:5/18/2005 11:53:41 PM
Rule 10a-2 -- Requirements for Covering Purchases
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No broker or dealer shall lend, or arrange for the loan of, any security registered on, or admitted to unlisted trading privileges on, a national securities exchange for delivery to the broker for the purchaser after sale, or shall fail to deliver a security on the date delivery is due, if such broker or dealer knows or has reasonable grounds to believe that the sale was effected, or will be effected, pursuant to an order marked "long," unless such broker or dealer knows, or has been informed by the seller that the security sold has been forwarded to the account for which the sale was effected, or
that the seller owns the security sold, that it is then impracticable to deliver to such account the security owned and that he will deliver such security to such account as soon as it is possible without undue inconvenience or expense.
The provisions of paragraph (a) of this section shall not apply to the lending of a security registered on, or admitted to unlisted trading privileges on, a national securities exchange by a broker or dealer through the medium of a loan to another broker or dealer, or to any loan, or arrangement for the loan, of any such security, or to any failure to deliver any such security if, prior to such loan, arrangement or failure to deliver, a national securities exchange, in the case of a sale effected thereon, or a national securities association, in the case of a sale not effected on an exchange, finds that such sale resulted from a mistake made in good faith, that due diligence was used to ascertain that the circumstances specified in Rule 10a-1(d)(1) existed or to obtain the information specified in clause (2) thereof, and either that the condition of the market at the time the mistake was discovered was such that undue hardship would result from covering the transaction by a "purchase for cash" or that the mistake was made by the seller's broker and the sale was at a price permissible for a short sale under Rule 10a-1 (a) or (b).
http://www.law.uc.edu/CCL/34ActRls/rule10a-2.html
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#msg-6393699
Posted by: eviltweety
Date:5/19/2005 12:00:42 AM
OK, the company brain trust and the TA get together and file with the NASD so that... first they reverse split everybody out of existence except themselves and their 11 shares...
second they forward split 3 million to one so that they'll have 33 million in their pockets on 13th or the 16th of May so that they can take advantage of that great PR on the 17th and they get EFGI to start selling from the open, no doubt thinking that they have brilliantly screwed the former shareholders and are now putting it to those who have climbed on the bandwagon for this new "media empire" stock per their awesome PR tuesday morning... problem is that both they and the TA (with it's 44 years of experience and currently maintaining the records for 1100 companies!) signed off on the wrong date with the NASD so they still only have 11 shares... doing among other things, breaching the warranty that the securities are genuine (imo)... the brokers take the word of the TA, again IMO, breaching the fiduciary responsibility to their clients that the shares exist and are tradeable..........all JMHO of course Smile
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