And lower is the wrong direction, many here will be left with trash holdings. Again, if this would just pop a bit, Im sure people will dump like no tomorow and I'll be at the head of that line. No sense in dead money sitting here at these levels or lower, may as well get out with something, this has been the biggest OTC nightmare, letdown, whatever Ive ever seen and Hartman is still a liar in my book! He never comes thru, never!!!!