I wouldn't put my money on Bertil and Fredrik either. Dan is different. He can see danger when it's staring him in the face. At least it's good to have him as CFO, for now. But like you said, he's probably not involved with the loan. We'll just have to wait and see if they can pull this loan off, including the subcontractor deal. Even then, the stock may not go up by much. Or if it does rally, there's always the risk it will come down again. Because the sector right now is just awful. But get some money from Yasheng... and BANG, it's a win-win. These companies really should be joining forces. But that will probably remain my dream.