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Re: Tom Swift post# 25962

Wednesday, 09/14/2016 7:26:43 PM

Wednesday, September 14, 2016 7:26:43 PM

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Not to mention the coverup Cyclone has been doing for years.

In February 2013 "Cyclone has teamed with OSU CAR to assist in the commercialization of its external combustion engine technology, specifically the company's Waste Heat Engine (WHE) model."

"Assist in commercialization" has quite a ring to it. Like the product was ready to sell in the marketplace and just needed a little polishing.

The Ohio State people made a presentation in March 2014 of what they were doing on the WHE: https://web.archive.org/web/20150113073456/http://www.cyclonepower.com/2014/IAASP_Presentation_OSU-CAR_Cyclone_March-8-2014.pdf

Here's the flow chart for their work (from page 10):


Notice a couple things. First, they had only got through the tasks highlighted in yellow boxes. The decision point on the right, "Meets Requirements?" was negative, so their next step was to cycle back and repeat.

Second, the end of this flow chart is to go on to "Phase II", which was to continue engine design and testing for something that could go into production.

As far as anyone knows, Ohio State stopped working on the project about this time or slightly after. WHE Gen was split off from Cyclone and gave up on trying to make the WHE engine work a few months ago.

Page 19 is titled "EXAMPLE OF CRITICAL PATH ISSUE: BEARING ANALYSIS" and on page 30

Little or no data exists outside Cyclone’s own experience for the use of water lubrication for either ball bearings or roller bearings in our environment and under our loadings. Calculated life using just the bearing load and the scaling factors for the viscosity of the lubricant indicate that very high ratio of load capacity to applied load is required.


Translation of this statement:

1) Cyclone has already tested every type of bearing on the market and come up with nothing that worked. There are no known bearing materials that would be successful inside the Cyclone engine.

2) Water is a terrible lubricant and water lubricated bearings will have to be huge compared to oil lubricated bearings just to survive.

On page 31 they talk about designing and building a bearing test machine. Between 2004 and 2013 Cyclone had spent tens of millions, never had an engine run for more than a short time without the bearings failing, and yet had never bothered to build a machine to test bearings.

That would be like the Wright Brothers crashing airplanes for a decade rather than build a wind tunnel to do scientific testing.

When you look at the plan put forward by Ohio State, it's very clear Cyclone engines are light years away from commercialization. What Cyclone told investors was "completed Beta testing" and "ready for production" were engines not even at proof of concept stage.

Page 32 gives the proposed bearing testing procedures including: "Make improvements or design changes if no bearing survives 250 hrs". Guess what? In 2014 Cyclone had no bearings that could survive even 250 hours. The actual maximum life might be just a few hours or even a matter of minutes.

Now if we back up to the December 9, 2011 Shareholder Open House. The shareholders were told:


Well before Ohio State was hired to find bearings that could work, Harry Schoell looked investors in the eye and told them the bearing problem had been "overcome". He also told them valves and condensing problems were overcome and we now know that also wasn't true. Cyclone engines have never run long enough to determine if the combustion and pump problems were fixed.

In 2011 investors were told all these technological problems had been overcome. In the almost 5 years since there has been no documented progress on engine performance or reliability, and no disclosure from Cyclone that any problems even exist, let alone if they have any plausible plan for fixing them (actual answer: no).

Harry Schoell's engine designs suffer from fatal, show-stopper flaws that he has proved to have no ability to deal with. He has known about these flaws since before 2011, yet has been telling investors and customers they've been fixed when they haven't. All his predictions of production and engine sales could only come true if genuine miracles occur. And he knows it.

No amount of patience or belief is going to be rewarded with the sight of a working Cyclone engine.

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