in between upper and lower to me that's side way. unless you want 1/10 of penny, then ya up and down. I'm not here for pocket change. I'm here $$$$ four $$$$ the big bet just like a lotto. WIN OR LOOSE I"LL STILL BE IN THE GREN FROM THE SELL AT .08 :) like I said "lotto" man / gal . Have a nice day.