Yes Barge Ballmer/Solms had one on one conversation while at wsjd and yes they had some good laughs at donut boys expense. In fact at one point they were in such a fit of laughter that they almost got kicked out of the restaurant ! I think it was sks purchase of iflophere and the amount of money sks wasted on wavexpress that was the tipping point and of course there was tvtonic and scambls and esign that also almost caused another uproar but they were also confounded by the geniuses failure to hire some people who knew how to manage a company and also some people who knew how to sell something but the mocking became old and tiresome after hours and hours so they decided to settle down and enjoy some filet minon and a good glass of old vine zinfandel and discuss what real CEO's talk about and save some of good laughs for another time
Ps they also did have a good laugh at the silliness that wave was somehow being held back because of standards or tpm's not being turned on when it really was poor product development and focus and also lack of market understanding and direction
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