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Praise the LORD!!! :)

God Bless
Amen

[excel]

Thanks!

[excel]

Thanks PappaJohn!

[The Original dpb5!]

I still have it boardmarked as well!

[PappaJohn]

Vision - - the act or power of anticipating that which will come to be.

http://www.atthegateministries.org/index.html

Hi Excel. Still had this thread boardmarked and thought I'd drop your link here in case others still have it boardmarked as well.

[lmorovan]

What happened with the "vision"?

[lmorovan]

Greg, are you still hosting this board? If so, why isn't visited? I was reading your "Vision" and am impressed. What happened with it?

[PappaJohn]

Original,

Mountain Wings is often a blessing. I have their site "hot keyed" on my computer to check every morning. Part of the morning routine. I email and / or post quite a few of their messages. Some are so light hearted, they even make the JOKES thread.

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I, too, check the VSN board occassionally for updates. Looks like we may have let Excel know his "vision" is not forgotten.

[excel]

Update. You got it. Turns out the Lords timeline is WAY different than mine. Imagine that? LOL!
Think God has a lot more to teach me.
Funny how things work.
Because we stayed here we got involved with Angel Tree.

Summary of what Angel Tree is about.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=2328393

Anyways I come to find out Angel Tree is barely going on what we call Eastern Washington. In Washington we have a mountain range that kind of acts like a divider of the State.

In talking with the head Angel Tree guy here in one of our meetings I found out his vision is and what mind was is to have Angel Tree state wide.

So if God does send me to Eastern Washington that looks like it will be one of my main ministries to get rocking over there.

I also have a vision to do something kind of like this below but differently.

http://www.hgcl.org/home.shtml


I do like a lot of what they have.
But have big plans to do more.
Like.......Church bands, off the street worship bands, stand up comedy nights, jam nights, monoply tournament nights, drama night, that sort of thing.
A place you can bring your family to for CHEAP!
Being in the Coffee capitol of the world we will of course serve coffee. And some food choices but not a lot.

Recording studio where Christian recording artist can record for dirt cheap with the agreement we get to sell their CD's at DIRT cheap prices. I'm so sick and tired of paying rediculous prices in so called Christian Music stores.
To give Glory to God shouldn't cost the average joe $19.00. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!
We shall see what God has in store for my wife and I.
I'm learning to have the plans and let God control what actually happens instead of me trying to force it to happen.

[The Original dpb5!]

Excel,

This board has been in my Favorites for a very long time now. Please update us more as to what is happening with The Vision!

P.S. I plan to see The Passion of The Christ as soon as it is out! Here is a website that may or may not interest you...
www.urantiabook.org

[The Original dpb5!]

PappaJohn,

What a superb post! I have taken the liberty of immortalizing it on the IHUB TopPosts Board!...

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=2336254

[excel]

Okay. Yep, I have it on my favorite page. I never know when someone might have some advice for me.
Need all the help I can get! LOL!

PS. That quote amazed me. I thought what a wise thought. That's what I need to do. Stop looking at the world through my eyes. Use his!

[PappaJohn]

Excel,
Actually, the VSN board is where I first ran across you back in 2001. Didn't have much sage advice to offer, so was just a lurker. Was curious if the board was still monitored. You answered that.


God Bless

ps: inspiring David and Goliath quote.

[excel]

Hi Pappa! You found the Vision! Amazing how things have changed since I wrote this. Turns out it may still happen but a little bit differently of course! LOL! God been showing me some things though. Some lessons I need to learn. Educating me more. Opening up some doors also. Thanks for the story. I remember that one. Love it. Kind of goes with what is going on here! Thanks!

[PappaJohn]

P.U.S.H.
=======

A man was sleeping at night in his cabin when suddenly his room
filled with light and God appeared. The Lord told the man He
had work for him to do and showed him a large rock in front of
his cabin.

The Lord explained that the man was to push against the rock
with all his might. So, this the man did, day after day.
For many years he toiled from sun up to sun down, his shoulders
set squarely against the cold, massive surface of the unmoving
rock, pushing with all of his might.

Each night the man returned to his cabin sore and worn out,
feeling that his whole day had been spent in vain.

Since the man was showing discouragement, the Adversary (Satan),
decided to enter the picture by placing thoughts into the weary
mind:

"You have been pushing against that rock for a long time, and it
hasn't moved."

Thus, he gave the man the impression that the task was
impossible and that he was a failure. These thoughts
discouraged and disheartened the man.

Satan said, "Why kill yourself over this? Just put in your
time, giving just the minimum effort, and that will be good
enough. That's what the weary man planned to do, but decided to
make it a matter of prayer and to take his troubled thoughts to
the Lord.

“Lord,” he said, "I have labored long and hard in your service,
putting all my strength to do that which you have asked.
Yet, after all this time, I have not even budged that rock by
half a millimeter.

What is wrong?

Why am I failing?”

The Lord responded compassionately, "My friend, when I asked you
to serve Me and you accepted, I told you that your task was to
push against the rock with all of your strength, which you have
done.

Never once did I mention to you that I expected you to move it.

Your task was to push.

And now you come to Me with your strength spent,
thinking that you have failed.

Is that really so?

Look at yourself.

Your arms are strong and muscled,
your back sinewy and brown;
your hands are callused from constant pressure,
your legs have become massive and hard.
Through opposition you have grown much,
and your abilities now surpass that which you used to have.

True, you haven't moved the rock. But your calling was to be
obedient and to push and to exercise your faith and trust in My
wisdom. That you have done.

Now I, my friend, will move the rock."

At times, when we hear a word from God, we tend to use our own
intellect to decipher what He wants, when actually what God
wants is just a simple obedience and faith in Him.

By all means, exercise the faith that moves mountains,
but know that it is still God who moves mountains.

When everything seems to go wrong...just

P.U.S.H.!

When the job gets you down... just P.U.S.H.!

When people don't react the way you think
they should... just P.U.S.H.

When your money is "gone" and the bills are due... just P.U.S.H!

When people just don't understand you... just P.U.S.H.

P= Pray
U= Until
S= Something
H= Happens


~Author Unknown~


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[excel]

If you have any comments you'd like to send privately my new email is now [e-mail]
Thanks!

[excel]

It is amazing to me how God continues to work in my life.

I never quite knew exactly why besides the beauty and wanting to get away from Seattle area that God kept bringing me to the Republic area.

Republic is in a county called Ferry County.

I have been receiving the local paper from Republic to get learn about the politics involved there and the type of people.

Washington State was recently listed as ranking 49th in church attendance.

33% of the people in Washington State attend church.

Last night I opened up the Republic newspaper to discover.......

Ferry County has the lowest average in the State of Washington at 16%.

Can you believe it?

That is less then 2 out of ten people going to church!

Now I know why God wants the ministry there.

He already knew where the greatest need was in Washington.

God is GREAT!

Excel

A fellow who says it can't be done is likely to be interrupted by someone doing it.

[excel]

Been a while since an update. We found an excellent church home.

They have many ministries we can participate in to educate us for future ministry.

I feel God was huge in leading us there.

He knew all along we needed to be there.

He created the circumstances in order for it to happen!

God is good!

I'm happy to report my wife and I have completed our final class for Biblical Counseling service.

We learned a lot and received many different tools that can help us help others to bring themselves closer to God no matter what the problem.

We are going to start counseling in the near future.

Looking forward to having God work through us to serve others.

God is continuing to prepare us for the ministry when we move from here.

When God feels we are ready God will provide the funds.

In the meantime we will continue to grow in the Lord so we will be strong when the time comes to follow Gods new ministry oportunities.

Excel

Been here yet? Check this out!
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[excel]

Husker. You will be on the invite list! Have a few folks in your area coming.

Excel

[husker]

You know what Excel, I was just down that road a couple months ago! That's mighty fine - property there - If I had work there I'd join you there!! Can be there with 2 hour notice!
To drive there.


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[excel]

The link below is to a ranch about 45 miles from the one we hope to build. Gods Country!
http://www.canaanguestranch.com/

Excel

[excel]

Jon. When you get time would you give me your opinion on the questions. Or anything in general that you read. I need all the feedback I can get. Thank you!

Check this out!
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=793

[jonthezman]

God Morning and Merry Christmust! That's right - it's not a misspelled word. Have to go - Thank's for creating this board!

[WillyWizard]

excel,

Just wanted to say hello. Lets not desert the other thread.

Hal

[Archangel]

Thanks for the invite Greg - got ya bookmarked now. Hang around me and you're bound to become a better, more patient driver....Seattle eh....Seahawk fan, a Titan here:)

....tuff loss last night

Arch

[Paule]

Hi Greg nice place you have here.Think i'll bookmark it. EOM


Paule "The Walnut" lives!

[excel]

I guess the major point that I would try to make was that unsaved people
aren't really looking for a church or a place that teaches the Truth
(because they don't know what the Truth is). At least from my
experience with my husband, I can tell you that he was looking for
fellowship and activities more than a church. It was through these
outings and activities that he was able to be around godly men who he
could see from example that they were godly. I tried to lead him to the
Lord, but it certainly didn't happen through me. In his case it had to
happen through other guys.

In Las Vegas, the church that was growing really fast was unfortunately
the mormon church. But, there were so many people who felt so unwelcome
in other denominations and the mormons welcomed them with open arms.
The mormons always had a lot of activities for families. This seemed to
be such a draw for the unsaved.

If you want, I can put together a little something listing the outreach
events from our church. I just wasn't sure what info you wanted.

Check this out!
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=793

[excel]

I think one of the main reasons that people stop attending church is
that they don't feel included. We searched for a church for quite a
while when we moved to the area that we are in now. My husband wasn't
saved and I knew it was so important to find a gospel preaching church
and fast. We went from church to church and a lot were dead or made us
feel unwelcome. I had even joined prayer groups and felt so alone
because a newcomer was not welcomed. People were already set in their
little cliques and they didn't even acknowledge that I was there. That
hurts and can turn people off to church in general.

At Fox River (our present church) everyone is so friendly and
welcoming. People greeted us and let us know we are welcome. A lot of
outreach is done. A few days after our first visit someone left a dozen
cookies on our doorstep with a tract and called to let us know they
dropped it off and to see if we had any questions about Jesus, the
gospel etc...... They also included us even though we werenot
members....just regular attenders. For instance, a letter in the mail
about a luncheon to welcome a new associate pastor. It encouraged our
attendance and also asked us to bring a main dish, side dish AND
dessert. We were kind of floored by this at first but it made us feel
sooooo good to be included. I am not a really outgoing get involved
person. If I am asked, I will be more that happy to help. Through this
church I am definately coming out of my shell and going into areas I
never thought I would go.

We do a lot of outreach. We just did a ladies craft night, this weekend
a kids fall fest (halloween alternative). All are free to those who
attend and the gospel is presented. If you want more info on our
outreach things let me know.

I think the main thing is including people into the church. I think I
told you our motto is "You Matter to God". That is something a lot of
people never seemed to know.


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[excel]

Your vision is from God in my opinion, I love it run with it you will never regret it and heaven will rejoice!
To answer your questions?

1. Christians, sad to say! I could say more but I think you know what I am saying. LOL
2. Don't call it a church service, think like a sinner for a minute? Does the fisherman eat his bait? No, the fish do. Think outside the box and you will touch many. Concerts games events etc. special speakers exciting testimonies, creating an atmosphere of faith, hope and love will always be an environment to touch a persons heart.
3. You have some great idea's there are some good Christian comedians out there no one has to know they are a Christian, invite for a night of music and comedy with a message. I am sure you will come up with some great ideas.
4. Yes I have run events like this in South Africa; not sure the rules apply to the USA. The message is the same the methods will vary. Advertising, mailer flyers radio newspaper posters.
5. If my schedule allowed it yes.
6. Pastoring special seminars etc. counsel and advice.
7. Yes possibly!
As for your thoughts on paying for the gospel I pretty much agree. The companies that print and advertise the books set the price not the author, the cost of concerts is hefty, Carmen used to give free concerts and just received a love offering he almost had to file bankruptcy. Sometimes Christians will give more love then offering LOL! It's a dicey issue that sometimes is out of their control. I am still paying off airline tickets from speaking in Australia last year from churches who assured me there love offerings would more then cover my cost. I guess I know what you are saying but having been on both sides of the fence, I can see each side I may not agree with them but I do understand why they do what they do.
8. Single parent families who need a break and vacation big market to reach out to. Remember seeing a need does not always mean you are called to meet that need. Focus and specialize for a higher impact, vision always grows. Faithful in little will be faithful in much.
9. I think I have done that already.
10. I did above!

It is my experience that 95% of Christians never fulfill their God given vision, the 5% that do always seem to be persecuted by the 95% that don't. Wish it wasn't true but life experience tells me it is.
Sad but true many churches may view what you are doing as a threat, they may not believe that you are not planning to start a church. The other problem you may run into will be churches that already have a wed night service they will be threaten by yours. No mater how pure your motives are in this others will not see it that way, even some you may love and respect. If God said to do it, go for it.


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[excel]

Next few posts is feedback from non-ihub members. Maybe you can expand on some of their ideas. Or maybe you have a comment to make about one of them that will help the end result!


Let me start on
commenting on your five purposes and your plans for the facilities:

1. I haven't seen this done anywhere else, but it certainly sounds worth a
try. One question you'll probably be asked by the churches is how you'll
handle referrals (i.e., if someone says they want to start going to church
or asks about a Sunday service). There are several good ways you could
handle that, but I'm just saying you should be ready for the question.

2. This is a good idea. You may have better luck if you bill the events
as something more than a concert. Maybe in the fall it's a hoedown or a
barn dance, in the winter it's a Christmas sing-along, in February a
Valentine's event, etc. I guess it will depend on the interests of the
community around you.

3. I agree that camp is a great way to bring in unchurched kids. For this
you'll need to plan significant manpower (remember all the people who were
involved in camp at Carnation) and perhaps some different facilities (more
cabins, etc.) than you were planning for the retreat.

4. This is another good goal. Be sure you're talking to these groups when
you plan your camp facilities (for goal #3) to make sure you take into
account any special requirements. Maybe someone at one of those groups can
give you examples of camp facilities, layouts, and programs that have
worked (or not worked) for this group.

5. Will you set restrictions on this? Time length? Denominations? Can
couples come together? Do you want to take steps to prevent this from just
becoming a regular vacation spot for those in the ministry, or is that part
of what it's about?

Facilities: These are great plans. If you are not able financially to
implement all at once, I would suggest you take one of your five purposes
and then complete all the facilities necessary to do that very well, then
start on the next one. It's better to be really successful at the
Wednesday night services for the lost, then expand into summer camps, etc.,
than to do a mediocre job of doing fulfilling all your purposes because you
don't have the staffing or facilities to do them all well.

Now, onto your questions...

1. I think the main reason most people stop attending church has nothing to
do with theology or programs or any of that. Other than for something like
moving out of town, I think it's almost always due to some sort of
detachment from the people in the church. Usually they get offended at
something someone said or did, whether that's actually representative of
the view of the church or not. The other reason I see is people falling
into (or back into) a sin. We lose people when a marriage breaks up. We
lose people who are recovering from some sort of addiction and fall back
into it. Is this the group you're aiming at, people who have left the
church, or are you interested in anyone who's unchurched?

2. I reaching out to those who have left the church, I think the most
important thing is to emphasize that you want to help them build a
relationship primarily with Jesus Christ, and only secondarily to others.
Because that's the relationship that will last when they get offended by
the words or actions of someone in the church. People will always fail
them, but Jesus Christ won't. If you're interested in attracting the
completely unchurched (those who have never been in a church), then I would
emphasize the social aspect (almost the opposite of above), and then make
sure they understand that whatever relationships they forge in this group
will never be as good as the relationship they can have with Jesus.

3. That probably depends on the community you're near. And the truth is,
you probably want a mix of things. A fishing derby will likely draw a
different crowd than a music festival. Of course, the word "free" draws a
lot of people. You've described a lot of neat activities you want to plan
for on your facilities. I'd say a free contest of almost any of those (go
carts, bmx, fishing, etc.) would draw people. People like free classes.
"How to" is big, so everything from classes on finances to flycasting could
be a big draw.

4. Unfortunately, I've never been on the organizing side of anything like
that.

5. Depending on my schedule and the final location, I could be. Although I
think you'd want, as much as possible, to find folks from local churches to
help get people plugged into a regular church as soon as they're willing.

6. I can crack a joke now and then.

7. Oh, I'll always get up and flap my jaws, if the schedule permits, but
I'm not sure I'd be a real draw.

8. The biggest need I see right now is hurting marriages, both inside the
church and out.

10. As I said above, I think the most important thing will be targeting
certain groups and activities first and getting a reputation as a quality
venue for those activities. Then, when you expand into other activities,
your reputation will be an asset to you.

That's all I can think of now. If I think of anything else later I'll be
sure to send it along!

Check this out!
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=793

[husker]

Amen!

[excel]

We have now decided on a name for our place.

THE HOUSE THAT LOVE BUILT

The word house really doesn't mean the lodge. It means the people in it. One of Gods main commandments is to love each other. I think the reason he stresses love so much is because he knows it is the one emotion that can break down the toughest hardened hearts. In order to bring people to Jesus you need to bring love to them. Need to show Gods love through you. I struggle with that all the time. As a lot of times I'm not so lovable. I figure this will help me knowing the name to change my ways. There are other reasons for this name. It was Gods love that turned my life around as my Wifes as we both came back to him. And it is Gods love that is constantly changing my Wife and I as we prepare for this ministry.
And it is Gods love that will allow us to build ............... The House That Love Built!

God Bless America!
Excel

[excel]

Hi Gary! Thanks for your response and idea. This is exactly why I need feedback. Yes I love drama. And I have seen many times how it works to get the message out. I will definetly add that to the list of how we can get the good word to the people.

By the way. I had the privilege of viewing your churches Easter presentation and enjoyed it greatly. I'm sharing the video with others. Just think. All those people who worked so hard with every facet of the program probably don't realize the seeds they planted can keep growing on forever because of it being taped! What a great tool!

God Bless America!
Excel

[gloomis283]

Hello Greg

I just wanted to stop by and let the community know that I wholeheartedly support your vision. I would suggest that you also include drama as one of "lures" you use to attract participation and attendance. Using drama in conjunction with music can be very inspirational as demonstrated by the Biblical plays that are broadcast worldwide by the Crystal Cathedral during the Christmas holiday season.

I am confident that many of your brothers and sisters will be here to assist you as The Lord continuea to provide you with guidance.

In Jesus,

Gary

[excel]

My Wife just came up with another great idea in my opinion. To have a workout room open to the public with a small charge each time they come so they aren't obligated. Or no charge at all.

Have Christian music or videos playing on huge screen so while they work out they are introduced to God. And we could have posters on the walls explaining other events open to them like Wednesday night church!

This is exactly the type of way to get people to our place and involved through relationships with us and the others helping further Gods kingdom! I'm excited!

God Bless America!
Excel

[excel]

Hey Buddy! Help me out here when you get time. Need your opinion.

God Bless America!
Excel

[husker]

Hey Bro!

[excel]

Hi Ernie. Thanks for taking the time to read. I like your camp fire idea! Sounds like a great ministry! Hey I know someone who owns a motorhome. Hint hint Loomis! And your ideas about helping the terminally ill is great as that area needs so much help. And yes you are in a very sensitive area yet the people involved are so much more willing to listen I'd imagine. The straw bale homes and solar energy you mentioned. Have you ever read a magazine called Mother Earth News? It is filled with articles about that. I have learned a lot from that magazine. Contact me if you'd like the link. You mentioned you are still searching and praying for guidance on what God wants you to do. I went through a long period of time doing the same. At first we thought a youth center in our town. Then it was a homeless center. But I never felt sure that was the direction God wanted me to go. Now I'm very positive what God wants my wife and I to do. And I'm very confident I'll get an email from you some day telling me what you are going to do. In the meantime we just need to love people with Gods love. Hope to hear more from you.

Excel - Greg - Fish On!

[McCloud]

Greg, I am so glad for you that you and your wife have been given your vision.

There are many similarities to ideas I have had for my work for God. Mine have more centered on youth. For awhile it seemed like a regular church camp, then I had ideas to at least include a camp for Hospice kids. Not only kids who are terminally ill, but also the children of the terminally ill. This came from experience gained through the loss of my last wife, Jolene. One idea that came to me was to use youth ministry in a way that rewarded the gifted and outgoing young Christians and spread the word. This was an idea to finance a motor home to travel the country to see the beauty God has created in this country and have singing around the campfire ministries to draw in the other campers to maybe reach them and begin or strenthen their own walk with Christ,

Another idea that came about from my own research on alternative building (straw bale. adobe, underground, monolithic domes, etc) and research on independent living (power generation, water systems etc.) and my work with troubled youth in the past. This was an idea to take troubled youth, in conjunction with Kiwanis Boys Home and find youth that was interested in building and energy and train them in these arts. I mentioned this to Porscha as he is also interested in these areas and is a contractor.

I am not yet sure that God has directed my course in this regard and I am still searching and praying.

God speed,
Ernie

[excel]

I have seen in my lifetime great visions from God to people. And great hearts to bring the vision forth. But then I see it all get ruined because they want to control it all. Or because they aren't willing to listen to other people with different ideas. I want to hear what YOU have to say. I believe God wants ALL of his people working TOGETHER for his kingdom. So I'm pleading with you to help us with your thoughts and prayer.

We had thought about naming this Camp Jabez. Because of the book "The Prayer Of Jabez" from where we both started to see Gods vision for our life. Yet we are still looking for another name. Maybe one with Jabez in it. Don't know at this time. Because it is so much more then a camp. And it will never be run like your average camp when people come there. So if you have any ideas on a name we'd be more then glad to hear them.

Thank you for taking the time to read about what we feel Gods vision for our life is. Please keep us in your prayers as we prepare for Gods harvest fields future!

Next? It's your turn!

Excel - Greg - Fish On!

[excel]

5. Would you be interested in participating as a harvest worker in any of these events?

6. Do you have any special skills that could help us in the future or now?
Examples would be attorney, tax advisor, pastoring skills, music. The list is endless. Whatever you feel you can bring to the table we may need now or in the future.

7. Do you know any people or yourself who would be willing to come to Republic Washington to speak. Music? Or give your testimony?

By the way as we are on this subject just so you know my feelings about paying people to minister or whatever they bring to us like music groups.
I will pay all expenses. I will also have love offerings.
But I will NEVER pay a set fee for a music group or a speakers time.
If that music group or speaker is doing it for the finances and not to glorify God and add his God given talents to the kingdom they will not be coming here. I want the people who come here come with a GENUINE love for God and to know God will always provide for them. I've seen people in the ministry and music groups who have now decided that they deserve to be paid for their time to glorify God. Pastoring churches is of course different. Don't get me wrong. But this practice is part of the reason why when you go to Christian book and music stores the cost is so high. You'd think the artist would make sure the people pay the less amount as possible to hear them glorify God.
And the stores would make it cheap as possible in order to get out Gods word.
Yet the worlds lust for money has now taken over. I got more preaching from where that comes from. Hehehe! I would love to hear your thoughts on this subject. If I'm missing something here then please educate me!
Email me in private if you wish.

8. What other type of needs do you see out there in the Christian community that we could minister too?

9. With the ideas that you have read above can you expand on any of them. Give us a different perspective? Help us see what we are missing?

10. Any ideas at all you have? Where do you see problems? How can we solve those problems?

Next. Conclusion.

Excel - Greg - Fish On!

[excel]

What can you do while we wait for God to continue to teach us and prepare us? We need your prayer.

Discouragement is the devils favorite tool. And he loves to place doubts in our minds about this ministry. He doesn't want to see this happen.

Some days I have serious doubts about my ability.
God reminds me it isn't about me. It's about HIM! Praise God!

If I rely on my family and the people we expect to be helping us we will produce nothing. But if we have your prayers and rely on the Faithful Father the harvest will be abundantly full!

What we can use from you besides prayer is your ideas.
We need them no matter how insignificant some of them you think may be to us.


God can take that idea and make it huge!

If you feel you'd rather respond privately in email please do.
Email is [e-mail]

Here is some questions to help you that may help you understand what I need from you. They are not in any particular order.

1. What do you think are some of the main reasons that stop people from attending church?

2. How do you think based on those reasons we could build relationships with people in order to have them participate in either the Wednesday night church service or the community events?

3. What type of events do you feel would draw the most people?
Examples would be fishing derbies. Music events. Sport events.
What else do you think would work?

4. Do you have ideas on the best ways to run any of those events?
Are there events you have been in and could let us know what you felt worked well and what didn't? What do you feel is the best way to market these events?

Next. Questions continued.

Excel - Greg - Fish On!

[excel]

"Then [Jesus] said to his disciples, ‘The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field." Matthew 9:37, 38


By now you have read a good part of our ideas with many more lodged in our hearts. But now you must be thinking how are we EVER going to do this?

I'm glad you asked that question. We aren't. That's right. We aren't. God is. That is the only way we can work the harvest field is if God is in control.

If I'm in control we will never have a harvest. We are praying that God will give us the proper guidance and spiritual maturity to do his will.


Now to the part that makes most people squirm. Finances.
Do I have the funds to pull this off? No! No! No!

At the present time we feel we have an investment that God will bless.
Even then depending on the amount of his blessing we may need more.
I have heard from several people in the same investment they will be donating to Gods work. Which we are very grateful for.

But at the same time I don't want to put my God in a box. It may come to pass that God will find another way to finance this part of his harvest field.

The bottom line is I hope we never need to have donations. But if we do I feel God will provide.
He is "The Faithful Father"

Next. What can you do?



Excel - Greg - Fish On!

[excel]

Here is some of our goals to reach at some point and time as God sees it is his will to bless us with them.
This has to do with the activities available to people while they are here.

Build a lake. We plan on buying property with an all season spring running through it. If you have good enough flow rate you can generate power with a water mill. That power to be used to divert water into the lake and then back into the stream for a constant flow of fresh water. And I have all kinds of ideas from pumping oxygen into the lake to the proper feed for trophy size fish. The lake to be used for fishing, swimming. Possibly a separate ice skating rink next to the lake.

What would a camp be without a baseball field? And of course during the summer fifty feet of corn around the outfield! Build it they will come!
Volleyball and a tennis court or two.
Basketball court.
Bike motocross track for the kids. And if you catch me on a good day me too!
Horseshoe pits.
Snowmobiles.
Go-carts with outdoor track.
Hiking trails.
Access to horses. We hope to set up an arrangement to rent horses in order to save cost and time of upkeep.


Our Facilities.
We are hoping to buy at least 50 acres minimum. We would prefer a hundred or so. Hopefully with a house already there. If not we will have it built.

Lodge
One that contains a commercial kitchen for community events and our events.

A game section which includes games like pool, foosball, pingpong and others in the lodge.

Or possibly a separate youth/game building. We are thinking of ways to involve the surrounding communities with us. A youth building for a certain number of nights a month might draw more youth to services. Or if we can get enough help from churches a separate service for them.

A separate computer room either in the lodge or in youth center.

A seating area. Music stage. Rock fireplace. Room set up to show videos and slides with a big screen. We are thinking of renting out the lodge for certain type of community events not related to us in order to be involved with the community and to build relationships with them.

Living Quarters.
We are still in the process of looking into the proper type of living quarters for people coming to stay. It will probably depend a lot on where we live. Also the money God provides. It is so very important to us to be good stewards of Gods money. So we want visitors to be comfortable but at the same time not to over
spend.
Provide RV hookups.

Misc. Areas.
The property God brings to us we hope to have a mountain on it with a place at the top to build two types of shelters. One of these is to be an enclosed building with big windows to look out into the mountains and enjoy Gods beauty. We are expecting to bring groups there for various activities or a place one can go alone to be away from everyone and seek God out on the mountain top. The other shelter is to be a post and beam open type shelter with a roof. A fire pit in order to stay warm. This is what we will use for hikes, horse, or snowmobile trips to it in the winter time. On the highest part of the mountain I want to erect a cross out of poles. The biggest and longest ones we can find. At night I want to have the cross lit up so people can see it from many miles away. I'm in the process of studying solar power. They have come such a long way with it in the last few years. I'm hoping to not be reliant on the power grid with the entire project if possible. The money we save after initial cost of solar can go towards reaching the lost instead of feeding corporate pockets.

Of course we will need a building to keep equipment in.
A music stage outside.
Paths to the lake to be wheelchair accessible.
Docks for fishing.
Beach swimming areas.
The G. Loomis fly fishing only part of the lake.

Next. Are we ready to go to the Harvest Field?

Excel - Greg - Fish On!

[excel]

5. This is also a place to have for Christians who for what ever reason they need to be refired up for getting the gospel out. Burnout from ministries or life in general. A renewal time. Seeking Gods vision for their life.
To find the proper balance again in their life!

A setting among the mountains with a lake that just being here away from the city will bring them a fresh awareness of Gods beauty and his purpose for their lives. There will be no time schedule here. Just time to get close to God and seek his heart. A time to stop and listen to what God has waiting for them.

Depending on the group or situation I plan on contacting each individual before they come to explore their needs. To see if there is any area we can help them with while they are here. If they wish they can be totally on their own and enjoy the time here on their own. For Pastors we are going to try to subsidize as much as possible all of their cost or a portion of it. I have witnessed what happens to Pastors who get the proper time off when they come back the fire is in their eyes to preach the word of God!
If others have money problems we hope to do our best to help them also.

We will have study programs to enhance your walk with God!
Programs so far are.....
An in-depth study on burnout and how to obtain a balanced life.
An in-depth study on fear and how it stops you from being what God wants you to be.
An in-depth study of the principles behind the "Prayer of Jabez".
An in-depth study of the principles behind "The Vine"
An in-depth study on how to witness using the gospel in your own words.
An in-depth study on the promises of the Faithful Father.
More programs will be available by the time we are ready to go.

Next post starts with our goals of developing our property.


Excel - Greg - Fish On!

[excel]

This is a list below of what I felt God has put upon our hearts in order to serve him. I'm sure as time goes on many other needs will be revealed. And I hope you will play a part in that!

1. The unsaved is priority number one. We would like to team up with 2 to 3 churches who share the same basic truths. One of the ways to meet the needs of the loss is to have a Wednesday night service in our lodge. A place for people to come who feel very uncomfortable stepping inside a church.

A place for them to come to fill the void in their lives. To discover the wonderful gift of salvation.

We can avoid burnout by sharing resources. By using different worship bands. Different speakers. Different helpers. Burnout with lack of training in churches is the number one cause of no growth in my opinion.

Our goal here is to monitor that carefully. Maybe start with a service every two weeks. This would eventually send more people to the churches involved as they come to know Jesus. This would also help churches in the area to work together and combine their resources. I see to many churches today who say we are all brothers and sisters in the Lord. Yet somehow that theory stops somewhere in the process of working together for the common goal to save the lost. What are churches afraid of? Losing members to other churches? We need to stop putting walls up around our churches. We need to tear them down and work together and share our resources!

If we find that the churches in the area don't want to participate in this then we will ask God to help us pull it off some way anyhow. And we believe once people start to go to the churches in the area the churches will find out how they came to their door and then want to help. I feel very strongly there is a segment of society out there that won't ever step inside a regular church door for whatever reason. And unfortunately a lot of our churches have given people a lot of reasons to feel that way. So now that the damage has been done it is time to repair it and grow our churches up again.

2. We plan to have community events to attract the lost. These events include music. I feel music is an event that will attrack people more then anything else. A stage in the lodge for winter music specials and a stage outside for summer events. Fishing derbies to attract all ages with our lake. Of course along with the music many other activities like games for the kids. Sports contests for all ages.

3. We also see other needs out there. Like kids who never go to camp because their parents can't afford it. What a perfect way to get kids into a Christian setting. Normally the parents would say no to going to a Christian camp. Knowing what their kids would be taught if they were paying full price for it they'd never let them come. So we will subsidize it. I've never seen anywhere in the Bible where it says we can't use economic factors in order to spread the word of God! We are hoping to have the parents come on the last day to have an opportunity to share with them what their kids have been taught. The cost of the kids coming will vary on each situation according to the parents ability to pay. If they can't pay anything so be it. We are counting on God to provide the funds to serve his kingdom. We refuse to put God in a box. He provides for the birds of the air so he will certainly provide for his children to be taught the gospel!

4. We would like to help out organizations like the Burn Foundation. Kids with scars love to go to a camp where all the kids have scars. There they can be at ease knowing no one is staring at them. Same with kids with disabilities. The Easter Seals has camps in place already. But they can always need help. Terminally ill kids are another group who we feel we can help. Not only the kids but can you imagine the parents?
They need a break also. Here they are in a situation where death is so real and close to them. We feel they will be open to the gospel message just as much as their kids. There are many other organizations also with needs we feel we can help.

List continued next post.

Excel - Greg - Fish On!

[excel]

The Vision

I believe God has revealed to my family how he wants us to serve him. I've been searching for a long time for God to reveal to my Wife and I how we should spend our time serving the King of Kings! I felt a few different directions from God but never felt strong convictions about them. Then one night I was reading "The Prayer Of Jabez" and God spoke to my heart. I knew then it was for real as the tears flowed.
I had been praying that God would show my wife and I the direction to go. I got up and walked into the living room and with tears flowing told my wife what I felt was Gods vision. You have heard how God works in mysterious ways. This is no exception. As she was reading the book also. God had put the same vision in her. As we discovered we both had the same vision the confidence was there that this was truly from God.

In the book The Prayer Of Jabez by Bruce Wilkinson. It really hit home to us there is no way we can pull this off without the blessing of God. Without expanding our territories and jumping clear out of our comfort zones as we are scared to death of doing this. But with the holy spirits hand upon us we can overcome our fear.

Excel - Greg - Fish On!