Moller International (fka MLER)

[Greenpower1]

Just search "Freedom Cities and VTOL". It's all over the internet.

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

You say new information, where did you see this

[Greenpower1]

Trading will happen soon since management has gave us the new information.

[Greenpower1]

It could happen since they locked the others up in a vault.

[Greenpower1]

They will as this will happen in 2024. So, lots of time left.

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

Getting interesting

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

Maybe they will get a new patent

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

Get this going sooner before the one patent expires

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

I googled patents moller and saw them, we have at least one left. They should get this trading again right away

[Greenpower1]

That's because management already informed us. Now onto the freedom Motors Cities and Moller VTOL!!!!

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

Whyyyyyyy

[Greenpower1]

Tax losses ain't happening anymore!

[Greenpower1]

It was, but with the new Freedom Motors Cities and Moller VTOL's, everything has changed. It's taking off!!!!

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Tax losses can be worth millions

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Management make us happy

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

Previous post going back in time you said this is done

[Greenpower1]

Soon!

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

Stock price prediction

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Time frame informing us

[Greenpower1]

Nope. I just can read between the lines. This is huge news and management will inform us soon. That's why the patents in the vault are worth billions. Plus the existing ones.

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

NO OFFENCE, I think you are kidding around and we are done here

[Greenpower1]

All over the internet. "Freedom" (as in Freedom Motors) cities and VTOL (Moller holds a patent on VTOL). Massive news and we will be seeing this in late 2024. Just search "Freedom Cities VTOL"

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

Where did you find this

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Management make us happy

[Greenpower1]

With the big news of Moller supplying VTOL to the 10 new Freedom cities, trading will resume quickly.

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

He needs to get this trading again

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

Management make us happy

[Greenpower1]

Maybe not. AI can just keep writing a press announcement every 10 years or so.

[j5mith]

I'm pretty sure we would have heard if Doctor Moller had passed on.

Not that there's anything happening now, but Doctor Moller's passing will be the true end of the story.

[Greenpower1]

I just wonder if he's still alive.

[j5mith]

A week ago (February 7th), another Moller patent:

U.S. Patent 6808140 - Vertical Take Off and Landing Vehicles

...expired. This appears to cover a twin engined Moller concept, presumably an M200 design. It can be seen here: U.S. Patent 6808140

This means that the only remaining patent of Moller International or Paul Moller that remains in force is:

U.S. Patent D736140 - Vertical take off and landing vehicle (Essentially the most current design for the M400 with foldy wings) - Expires August 11, 2029

[Greenpower1]

Moller has ceased operations.

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

Management please update us

[TRUSTUNITS1000000]

Drop some updates

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Flying car patents still have

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Patents can be worth millions billions patent

[j5mith]

A week ago (October 12th), another Moller patent:

U.S Patent 6450445 - Stabilizing control apparatus for robotic or remotely controlled flying platform

...expired.

This means that the only remaining patents of Moller International or Paul Moller that remain in force are:

U.S. Patent 6808140 - Vertical Take Off and Landing Vehicles - Expires February 7, 2023.

U.S. Patent D736140 - Vertical take off and landing vehicle (Essentially the most current design for the M400 with foldy wings) - Expires August 11, 2029

[justman]

This website https://daviswiki.org/Moller_International provides an excellent history of Paul Moller and the Skycar. I just inserted the entire Skycar Blog to this site. It can be found under "2011 - Oct. 5" in the chronology. The Blog got pretty crazy leading up to the Oct. 11, 2011 demo flight, which of course never happened! Hilarity ensued!

[j5mith]

I haven't posted here in exactly a year.

Why isn't that hard to understand. Nothing has been happening, so there isn't anything to write about.

What *has* been interesting is that almost no one else has posted anything either. No posts whatsover for seven months, then a request for information on how to sell Freedom Motors shares, and an article from Popular Mechanics about batteries. That's it for the last year.

In terms of posts on the Freedom Motors blog - there have been a grand total of two in the past year. The December update references the most recent newsletter, which features the usual shaggy dog stories about how Freedom Motors funding is just around the corner, but hasn't quite happened yet (with some COVID inspired variations on the usual theme). The newsletter also explains regarding the exchange of Moller International shares for Freedom Motors shares (proposed back in 2019 after Moller shares were deregistered) - "until funding for Freedom Motors is received, it is not reasonable to complete an offer to exchange MI shares for FM shares." The December newsletter also states "FM receives numerous requests to buy its stock" while also stating that discounted shares at 97.5 cents each are available. These shares have been available at that price since January 2019 - presumably there hasn't been a lot of interest.

The most recent blog post was in early February. It was only a paragraph long, and contains so few specifics that it's not even worth commenting on.

In media, the only recent references to Moller International are as a historical note in reference to other companies working in the personal VTOL/air taxi space, as an explanation for why some people find the concept hard to take seriously, or as an analog for a dodgy looking company in the field.

Even the true believers here seem to have given up. Too bad, really - they were entertaining.

[edward1981]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a35902755/structural-battery-massless-energy-storage/

[Tkrsymbl]

Where can i sell stock in freedom motors. I have certificate

[j5mith]

Sorry, I missed one patent:

U.S. Patent 6808140 - Vertical Take Off and Landing Vehicles - Expires February 7, 2023.

(It's listed under Paul Moller rather than Moller International, so it doesn't come up in the same listing as the others).

This covers a Skycar concept with two big engine nacelles, with small fans in the nose and tail (I assume for pitch control during vertical flight). I think this was the M200 concept.

[j5mith]

A minor milestone today - Another one of Moller International's patents has expired.

U.S. Patent 6325603 - Charged cooled rotary engine -- was filed on June 24, 2000, and thus expires today.

This means that the only Moller International patents that haven't expired are:

U.S. Patent 6450445 - Stabilizing control apparatus for robotic or remotely controlled flying platform - Expires October 12, 2021

U.S. Patent D736140 - Vertical take off and landing vehicle (Essentially the most current design for the M400 with foldy wings) - Expires August 11, 2029

[Po3sHare]

Any day now...

This time is different...

Paul will never let us down...

Soon to the moon...

Negotiations with strategic partners...

Joint venture...

Before year end...

This spring, weather permitting...

huge public and media interest...

China...

Philippines...

M400...

M600...

Neuera...

Moller should contact...

Moller millionaires...where are you????

[Po3sHare]

I see MI/FM published a newsletter. Why they do this, I don't know. It looks like they only have about two fans left.

Something that makes me laugh time and time and time again is statements they make like the following: "Many battery-powered Personal Air Vehicles (PAV) have been developed; however, none has proven that they can fly over 50 miles at over 100 mph. or land at a curb, which is essential for general usage."

1) Moller's vehicles, or engines for that matter, has also not proven they can do this. Moller, you hovered your vehicle around for a couple of minutes.

2) Land at a curb...um...most of the eVTOL developments are significantly smaller than Moller's latest 'designs', so I don't know what they base this BS on.

One thing that Moller CAN do is come up with excuses. Yes, their lack of progress now can be filed under the COVID-19 pandemic, but really, throwing in a dash of 'protest action' is a bit much. Just like when they blamed the 'regime change' in China for the fact that their $480 mil deal fell through. Yet, other companies (like the now dead Martin Jetpack) managed to secure Chinese funding in that same time.

There is only one thing to to Moller and that is to shut up and fade away. I would have said fade away with dignity, but this company has no dignity left.

[Po3sHare]

Talking about "stealing" Moller's ideas...

I just saw an article...

"Chinese passenger drone manufacturer EHang has officially entered into a partnership with Shenzhen tourism company LN Holdings to create the world’s first ‘UAM themed’ hotel."

Sound familiar?

Well...to be fair...Moller's plan was to build not one, but two 5 star hotels in China...

It must be sad for the old man to see his dreams made true by other people...

Here's a link to the article...complete with a video of journalists taking actual rides in an actual vehicle that is not tethered to a crane...

https://transportup.com/headlines-breaking-news/vehicles-manufactures/ehang-will-build-the-worlds-first-uam-hotel-in-collaboration-with/

[Po3sHare]

I have noticed the shift to Cargo drones as opposed to passenger carrying VTOL aircraft.

It is sad. Unfortunately with the Covid-19 pandemic and the effect it is having on the global economy I cannot see much investment going into eVTOL 'flying cars' in the near future.

I do understand that some breakthroughs in battery technology is necessary for eVTOL aircraft to become really viable, but people are on the right track.

For many years I also realized that Rotary engines are also not the answer, though...

[j5mith]

The dominant reaction by the Facebook crew was that the Sabrewing craft (essentially a drone) somehow "stole" Moller's design.

Well, if Sabrewing "stole" Moller's design, then Moller "stole" his design from the Bell X-22. The only resemblance that the two craft have is that they are both lifted/propelled by ducted fans at the four corners. (As was the Bell X-22). Otherwise, I don't see any of Moller's hallmarks -- no vanes to redirect the thrust, no foldy wings, and most important of all, no rotary engines. (Ed de Reyes has gone over to the dark side and embraced <gasp> electric propulsion!)

Ed does state that the Sabrewing design was "influenced by his earlier work as an engineer and test pilot on the Moller 400". It also states that the design was influenced by the Northrop Grumman Global Hawk.

Sabrewing seems to have evolved out of Elytron/Converticopter, with Ed and Oliver Garrow being closely connected with both. The Converticopter web site is now returning a 404 error, so perhaps the company is defunct. There also appears to be a connection with Thorntail (remember them?). The mailing address for Sabrewing on the company's web site (www.sabrewingaircraft.com) is identical to the mailing address that Thorntail was using back in 2014.

The VTOL industry does seem to be shifting more in the direction of cargo drones, rather than passenger craft (see https://evtol.news/2020/03/06/cargo-evtol-matures/). It might be a matter of scale -- Passenger VTOL probably requires a craft with a minimum payload of 250 kg or so to be useful, while drones can do useful work at much smaller sizes, which can be scaled up as the state of the art improves. Also, if your cargo drone crashes, it's far less likely to generate headlines (and lawsuits) than a passenger carrying craft.

[Po3sHare]

I just read an article, of which I will put a link below, about Ed De Reyes' EVTOL aircraft. The article references Moller. It is a very badly written article with many inaccuracies regarding VTOL, like claiming "In the early 2000s, the Moller International Skycar became the first non-helicopter vertical takeoff and landing aircraft to actually get off the ground". The author probably never heard of the Osprey, the Harrier or any of the many experimental VTOL's like the X-22.

Anyway. it seems like Ed De Reyes, Moller's former test pilot now has his own company that aims to get into the electric VTOL market. Any Moller fanboys want to comment on this?

It must be hard for you guys. Ed gave Moller a bit of credibility a couple of years ago, so you guys were quite taken with him. Now that he has committed to an electric aircraft, the one thing that fanboys unanimously bash, it must be quite a shock...

Ahhhh...old Ed. He invited me to Moller's one failed 'test flight' as his guest and the un-invited me after giving a fanboy a hard time. Good times. And I'm yet to be proven wrong. Randy will probably delete my post again...because anybody whose view is not Randy's view is labelled a troll....


https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/04/flying-car-future-looks-flying-cars-past/164995/

[Po3sHare]

flaflyersfan, obviously you didn't read my entire post.

Obviously you didn't read any of my previous posts.

I am well aware of Moller's stock situation.

I myself used the spike in share price during the 2012 "$480 million China Deal" craze to offload my stock. The price went up enough for me to sell my shares and break even. Unlike other fanboy stockholders, who call themselves "Moller Millionaires", I never purchased stock with the vision of becoming a rich man off it. I owned a handful of shares just because I wanted to be part of something I believed in. Even if I held on to my shares it would not have hurt me in this situation, like others.

I still believe in the dream, I just don't believe that Paul Moller will be the one at the forefront of achieving that dream.

As I described in my post, the fiasco with the 2011 "Public Testflight", otherwise known as the "Porta potty event", was my final turning point from being a Moller fan, although doubt had started setting in many years ago.

My post was merely me pondering whether Paul Moller would live to see his dream of "going to school in a VTOL" be realized, albeit by someone else and not himself.