BORDER CONTROL

[ICEMAN1CO]

I disagree and we will see....its going to be fun to watch...mark this post..McCain is your next President......and they wont be counting hanging chads in Florida either......

[quetzal]

McCain can't pull a win in the Republican primary. Talk about a front. McCain is a front for the liberals. Anyways, Republican big money is on Mitt Romney for now. Evan Bayh and John McCain ideologically are the same. They just wear different colors. In the general election, McCain could pull a win over Obama and Hillary. It wouldn't be a landslide though. I don't buy this idea that America is not ready for a woman or a black man. If Condoleeza Rice didn't carry the baggage from the Bush administration, I guarantee you she would win the presidency. Condoleeza could win the Republican primary and the general election.

[ICEMAN1CO]

Strongly disagree, A Republican will retain office this election, the war is ongoing and frankly the DEMS do not have a candidate America is ready to embrace...the two front runners are.......

Hillary...
Conservatives and Liberals are not Ready to elect a woman to the office....especially one with her background and baggage...the clintons stained the office of the presidency and a majority of people are not ready for that again IMO....So Hillary would lose a lot of DEM votes just for the fact she is a woman...

OBAMA...........
Black Muslim...
Need I say more? Lets face it...too many RACISTS in this country to elect a liberal blackman with a muslim background...wont happen......

If you have another candidate that is a front for the libs let me know..........

McCain will win the election in a landslide IMO.....he pulls both DEM and Republican votes...he has worked on both sides of the isle and is an american hero as well..........the DEM front runners just dont stack up to his experience.......

[quetzal]

iceman: I think the only way a conservative candidate, strong on border control, will win is by courting the black vote. The poor in this country are the most affected by illegal immigration. With unemployment running high in the black community and race relations between blacks and Latinos at an all time low, now is the time to aggressively court the black vote. The black community can be a very powerful swing vote. With the black vote, you nullify accusations of racism and xenophobia. Now, if you have a Democrat who is strong on border control, possibly Evan Bayh, bye bye Republicans. It would be a long time before Republians would be running the show in Washington.

[ICEMAN1CO]

quetzal
Actually I agree and disagree with you...or perhaps I should have clarified a little better, I concur that the WAR will be the primary topic.......but the Candidate that has the best solution to boder control..will win IMO.......Do not underestimate how americans feel about this topic...........tancredo is running and the reason he is running is because of all the support he has gotten on his border control stance..............this will place a spotlight on that issue and the other candidates will be forced to address it..........

[quetzal]

Iceman: I think you're wrong. The problems in Iraq will overshadow the border control issue in the upcoming election. Republicans and Democrats are so fed up with the war in Iraq that the election will turn out to be a referendum on Iraq much like the past Congressional election. Besides, border control proponents like Tancredo and Gingrich will never win a general election unless we have another 911. The memory of 911 has almost faded completely from the short term memory of Americans. Thus there is no urgency to control the borders. Bush had the political capital to build the "Great Wall" along the Mexico/US border after 911 and he blew it. Border control propenents are villified as xenophobes.

[ICEMAN1CO]

I think Border control is going to be a very HOT topic in the upcoming election....the candidate who addresses this issue with a solid plan on dealing with it......will win...........

[quetzal]

We need border enforcement now! Read this article, http://www.laweekly.com/general/features/the-town-the-law-forgot/15731/. This crap will spread like the plague because both parties are unwilling to do anything about it.

[mc6102]

yep.... submitted a letter to corporate regarding my distaste for their business policies when I cancelled my Credit Card yesterday. Their not going to raise my interest rates when they run their cards up and are not accountable for payment.

Most legit new immigrants i know want to pay cash for everything and get ahead.

[sniperflea]

Did anyone else hear this?

Bank of America is now issuing credit cards to people with no SSN#. They started a pilot program in East L.A. a few years back where if you had a bank account with BoA for 3 months you were eligible for a credit card. THEY ARE REWARDING ILLEGAL ALIENS.

[sniperflea]

Here is a post from another board. Unbelieveable!


Posted by: WardOffMonkey
In reply to: spencer_has_arrived who wrote msg# 52192 Date:1/17/2007 1:52:24 PM
Post #of 52198



More stupidity from the government:
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_5028599
Agents to report to prison today
Judge rules they must serve while court considers appeals
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin
Article Launched:01/17/2007 12:00:00 AM PST

Two U.S. Border Patrol agents accused of shooting a Mexican drug smuggler will have to sit in prison as they appeal their case to the 5th Circuit Court in New Orleans.

Late Tuesday afternoon, Judge Kathleen Cardone, of El Paso, Texas, denied Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean's motion to stay out on bond while they appeal their case.

Cardone's response stated that both agents must surrender to the United States Marshal by noon (PST) today.

"Because the defendant has been convicted of a crime of violence, he is eligible for release pending appeal only for `exceptional reasons'," Cardone's response to the motion read. "The court finds that no `exceptional reasons' exist in this case."

Compean and Ramos were sentenced in October to 12 and 11 years, respectively, in federal prison for the non-fatal shooting of a Mexican drug smuggler. Both men said they believed the smuggler was carrying a weapon during a foot chase along the Texas-Mexico border on Feb. 17, 2005.

Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, the smuggler, was given immunity by the U.S. government in exchange for testifying against the agents. He also received medical treatment at a U.S. Army hospital after the shooting. He is suing the Border Patrol for $5 million.

Cardone's ruling hit the Compean family hard Tuesday.

Compean and his wife, Patty, had spent a quiet day at home with their three children, hoping for the best, they said.

"I'm just spending time with my children before tomorrow," Jose Compean said. "No matter what happens, I still have hope. We are not going to give up. We are a strong family, and tonight we're going to stay together as a family."

"How will my children cope with this?" Patty Compean asked. "My husband is a good man and a good father. Sometimes I just don't know how this all happened."

The families had hoped Cardone would allow the agents to remain free after considering the more than 250,000 signatures collected nationwide and delivered to the White House Tuesday, asking for a presidential pardon for the men.

White House officials did not respond Tuesday. Last week during a White House press briefing, spokesman Tony Snow said he couldn't comment about a presidential pardon but noted the agents were convicted by a jury.

"At the time this happened, they did not know if he (Aldrete-Davila) was an illegal," Snow said. "They did not know that there were 700 pounds of marijuana. They didn't know any of those things."

TJ Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, the organization representing more than 11,000 Border Patrol agents, said Compean and Ramos do not pose a flight risk and that the government is sending a bad message to law enforcement officers by putting the men in prison.

"The judge's decision to deny bond pending appeal is devastating in a number of respects," Bonner said. "In addition to tearing apart two young families, it destroys the morale of law enforcement officers across the nation and undermines the public's faith in our system of justice."

Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, who along with more than 50 other congressmen has been advocating for the agents since August, said more than a decade in prison for each man is a harsh punishment.

"The government had to choose between supporting a drug dealer or supporting their own border agents," Poe said. "They chose to support a drug dealer. The federal government was on the wrong side of the border that day."

Repeated attempts by numerous members of Congress, grass-roots organizations and supporters to get a presidential pardon for the two agents have fallen on deaf ears at the White House, said Andy Ramirez, chairman of the Chino-based Friends of the Border Patrol.

Last week, more than 100 law enforcement officers and residents of El Paso joined Ramirez and Bonner at a candlelight vigil for the agents near the El Paso Federal Courthouse.

The agents and their families have said the outpouring of support from across the nation has helped them through their ordeal.

"You can never lose hope," Patty Compean said, holding back tears. "Not even in the last minute."

Staff writer Sara A. Carter can be reached by e-mail at [e-mail], or by phone at [phone].

[nostocks]

Really nice board here. I am impressed with this. Checked out the ibox and read about 100 post or so. Really liked the debate about the Civil War. In my eyes it had everything to do with wages.

Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. -Abraham Lincoln addressing his first congress. My favorite quote

I think raising the middle wage will do nothing to control the onslaught of illegals. If anything it will make employers more willing to use them.

Everywhere I travel I see them in great numbers. From the Home Depos in south Texas to the 7/11's on Long Island. It really hurts my heart to see the wealthiest people in the U.S. paying illegals to trim their 10' tall hedges. South Hampton

Take care of the illegal labor and the wages will take care of themselves.

Often the illegals are paid the same as Uncle Sam's boys. Only Sams boy has to support his family and country. The illegal often lives cramed in a house supplied by their employer. sending all but a little of his pay (food & beer) back to Mexico.
I'm sure in many cases the illegal has more take home then sam's kid. Hell I guarantee it. I know the illegals out on Long Island make $100. a day cash. That's more then a first year teacher makes after taxes here in the midwest.

It's really nice to see people stepping up trying to do something.

God bless the minutemen!!!

[ChrisJP]

3 detained trying to enter Port of Miami

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070107/ap_on_re_us/port_arrests

Pretty sure I mentioned that the POEs also have a lot of illegal entry attempts.

Chris

[ICEMAN1CO]

http://uncooperativeblogger.com/2006/12/22/hundreds-line-up-for-%E2%80%9Cthe-jobs-americans-won%E2%8...

[ICEMAN1CO]

Happy New Year! EOM

[ICEMAN1CO]

Great Read! thanks....eom

[ergo sum]

Greeley CO. Is named after Horace Greeley. “Go west young man.”
“Egyptian writer and educator Sayyid Qutb spent the better half of 1949 in Greeley, Colo”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1253796

It is the home of the Swift meat packing plant at which there were arrests of illegal immigrants last week.

“A total of 1,282 workers were arrested Tuesday at six Swift & Co. meat packing plants, including 261 workers at the plant in Greeley, federal officials said during a press conference this morning.?
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_4832387


“2006-10-26...Authorities say they have dismantled a drug cartel headquartered in Greeley that moved millions of dollars in high-quality "ice" methamphetamine in buses and packed inside stuffed toys. Stretching from Los Angeles to Roanoke, Va., the operation primarily sought to monopolize the methamphetamine.”..
http://search.denverpost.com/sp?aff=26&keywords=greeley+meth+labs

The main reason behind the raids it is said was to bust a large identity theft ring.

2006-12-13...Greeley - After massive raids on Swift & Co. meatpacking plants here and in five other states, immigration authorities are building a new kind of case against illegal workers: accusing them of hijacking the identities of U.S. citizens. Authorities contend workers bought or stole names and Social...
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_4825289

Interestingly enough it has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the country.

In August, Weld County had the worst foreclosure rate in the United States. Many foreclosures came on new homes sold by aggressive builders to people who had no money for a down payment and no real estate agent representing them.
[snip]
"Weld County has no functional zoning," he said. "It's simply open season."
[snip]
The Post analysis found high foreclosure rates in several communities of one national builder, KB Home. In most cases, the loans for those homes came from KB's mortgage branch.
[snip]
In Kentfield, a Thornton neighborhood, 80 of the original buyers have been foreclosed. Seventy, or 87 percent, borrowed from KB's mortgage company. About half were foreclosed on their original loans, which KB sold to other lenders, and half refinanced before their foreclosures.
Nearly all the original loans were insured by the Federal Housing Administration, which collects fees from borrowers to cover losses.
[snip]
He attributed the foreclosures in Greeley to predatory lending, a mass layoff at the Swift & Co. meatpacking plant two years ago and an atmosphere of fear and uncertainty among immigrant families who bought many of the new houses.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4890161

And finally
Eighteen former Swift & Co. employees who worked at the meatpacker's Cactus, Texas, plant have filed a $23 million lawsuit alleging that Swift hired illegal workers to depress employee wages.
The suit, filed Friday in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, claims Swift engaged in "racketeering activity" by "establishing a pattern of practice over several years and looking the other way" when illegal immigrants presented what the company should have known were falsified documents and phony stories, said Angel Reyes, a Texas lawyer who represents the former Swift employees.
Swift quietly replaced the 18 former employees - all of Mexican descent and legal residents or U.S. citizens - with illegal
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_4863807

[sniperflea]

News article.


Well the Reps want to get back to at least 44% of the hispanic vote. If my math serves me correctly and they succeed doesnt that mean 56% of the vote will be against them? We will see no tighter border security in our life time. Feliz Navidad Muchachos!



December 22, 2006

WASHINGTON — Immigration policy and party message are at the top of a list of issues Republicans are reviewing as they try to woo back the rapidly growing Latino population following a November midterm election that saw Hispanic support for the GOP drop by nearly a third.

The Republican share of the Latino vote fell from 44 percent in 2004 to 30 percent this year, according to FOX News exit polling data. With the Hispanic vote making up 8 percent of the electorate in 2006 compared to 5 percent in 1996, the largest and fastest growing ethnic minority in America will be essential to winning elections down the road, say Republicans looking to recover from this year's losses.

"We can do better, we need to do better," said Danny Diaz, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee.

“We believe that the party that captures and motivates and gets the Hispanic vote to turn out is going to be the party who wins the White House” in 2008, said Brent Wilkes, national executive director of the League of United Latin American Citizens, the nation’s largest and oldest Hispanic rights group.

President Bush has long courted the Hispanic vote, which helped the former Texas governor win the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections. But it was Democrats who followed his strategy in 2006, capturing nearly 70 percent of the Hispanic vote this year, FOX News exit polls show.

A week after the November election, Republicans signaled a new emphasis on the Hispanic vote when Bush recommended that the Republican National Committee select Cuban-American Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida to lead the party in the next election cycle. RNC members vote in January on the all-but done deal.

“My job will be to make sure the Republican party’s message is heard, that it is a message that speaks to all Americans, and that it’s also an inclusive message,” Martinez told reporters on Nov. 14 after meeting with Bush in the West Wing.

Martinez, who will become the first Hispanic general chairman of the party, will serve largely as a figurehead for the organization, bringing publicity and prestige. Mike Duncan, the RNC's current general counsel and a former party treasurer, will run day-to-day operations. The dual chairmanship will replace the role held previously by Ken Mehlman.

But far from being just a cosmetic change, Martinez is being tasked not only with the challenge of winning back Hispanic voters lost to Democrats in 2006 but also to seal a win for the White House in 2008.

Diaz said the way forward includes a more aggressive approach explaining the party's platform and more effective delivery of the party's message. He said having Martinez as the face of the party will assist in delivering a more believable message.

"It certainly will help. It will provide us an ability to communicate in a much more credible and vigorous way with Hispanic voters," Diaz said. "We stand much closer ideologically to Hispanics than Democrats do."

Not so, say Democrats who argue that taking back a significant chunk of the Hispanic vote from Republicans in 2006 proves Hispanics want change in Washington.

"I think the Hispanics, like most Americans, rejected the divisive campaigns of the 'do-nothing' Congress. I think they wanted a new direction," said Luis Miranda, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee.

"Mel Martinez or no Mel Martinez, this is a party that has lost touch, doesn't have an agenda and doesn't line up with the values of the majority of America," Miranda said of the GOP.

Miranda said part of the Democratic appeal to Hispanics was built on issues other than immigration, like disgust with the war in Iraq and political corruption. But immigration protests last spring and the ongoing debate over how to handle the millions of illegal immigrants coming to this country is an undeniably central issue for Hispanics.

“My hope is that I can begin to craft a message that will bring people together on that issue -- very tough issue,” Martinez said.

Last session, Congress tried to address ways to stem the illegal immigrant tide, but only succeeded in passing a measure to build a 700-mile fence along the U.S.-Mexico border. Democrats have signaled that they are going to revisit that legislation when they take the majority next Congress and plan to look at other forms of border control, such as virtual fencing, a position backed by Bush but unpopular to a majority of Republicans.

“There’s nothing perfect about the legislation we’ve been discussing in the past, on any account,” Martinez said. “But border security only, enforcement only, harshness only is not the message that I believe America wants to convey.

“I think we didn't always strike the right tone on that. And I think that was a mistake,” he said.

Wilkes, of LULAC, warned that the GOP's "hard-line" position on immigration needs to change if it wants to win back Hispanics. LULAC supports a measure to offer a guest worker program with the opportunity for illegal workers to become permanent residents. Those provisions stymied immigration reform in the previous Congress.

“I think they realized that they made a big strategic error in pursuing a hard-line stance in the House and that enabled the Democrats to win back control,” Wilkes said. “What they really needed to do this time is put someone in place to pursue a strategy in recruiting the Hispanic vote.”

But conservative commentators have warned that trying to appeal to Hispanics with a lax immigration policy will lose Republican base votes. Adam Segal, director the Hispanic Voter Project at Johns Hopkins University, said Hispanic voters are split over immigration, in particular a temporary guest worker program.

The party that can figure out how best to address immigration issues could seal the Latino vote next election, he said.

"The biggest unknowns are how the immigration issue will play out," Segal said.

Robert de Posada, president of the Latino Coalition, a non-profit, non-partisan group, said selecting Martinez to head the GOP is a key step to convincing Hispanics of Republican commitment. He noted that Democrats don’t have any Hispanics in national leadership roles. Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, won the top spot on the House Intelligence Committee as a second choice for incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

“With the symbol and message of appointing Senator Martinez it sends the message to Latinos that ‘We’re sorry, we’re back and we want you,’“ de Posada said. “Compare that to what the Democrats’ message has been, a message of ‘We have you, you’re ours but we’ll do whatever we want with you.’ “

De Posada said Republicans now need to focus on their message to Hispanics.

“I think 99 percent of the problem that they had in the 2006 election was in the message. The tone of the message was so harsh. They need to get back to the basics … Martinez is by far the best person to do that,” he said.

Segal said a study by his group showed that Democrats "are likely to have a unique advantage heading into 2008," but whoever reaches out to Hispanics early in the campaign will help win support ahead of the presidential election.

"I think that the early steps that the candidates take to introduce themselves to the Hispanic community, the better off they'll be on Election Day," Segal said.

[ergo sum]

Well, I did not bring up the issue of minimum wages in the first place. Anyone that can’t understand that not paying people for labor is a form of slavery really doesn’t understand reality. There was just such a case here in Denver of an Indonesian woman who worked for a Saudi and received no wages at all. Oddly enough she won her case. So the point is you need some kind of minimum standard.

I don’t think the minimum wage has anything to do with immigration or Border control. This is what I said.

“Those people however who think that low wage immigration policies can help us compete with the low wages in China, India etc however fail completely to understand the magnitude of that problem. “

Do you see anything about the minimum wage in that statement?

[mc6102]

Merry Christmas!

[mc6102]

Ok. I just posted where I stand. I guess you are on ignore. Good luck having your "conversation"

By the way, conversations actually require listening to the other person before responding and putting words in people mouths. You have been talking AT people, not WITH them.

[ICEMAN1CO]

I too am disappointed with Bush on the border control issue...with that said...he has gotten more done than any other president has, at least he is not totally ignoring it....McCain in 2008! Take care everyone....and keep it civil...sorry no recent updates....I have been busy dealing with some things...take care and Happy Holidays to everyone!! Ahhhh screw that..........MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!! I hate Political Correctness!! If you are celebrating another Holiday...Happy or MERRY whatever to YOU!!

[ergo sum]

Really? Sounds more to me like you are posting about me than carrying on a conversation. I am simply pointing out the abuses that lead to the need for wage standards. Are you against wage standards? Do you think there should be no minimum wage?

[sniperflea]

Agreed. They both do. I guess that would be the #1 driving force for the repubs though.

[sniperflea]

Naaa. Im just stupid LOL

[mc6102]

Yes, but Dems want the cheap labor and the votes. Kerry was not an option for me either.

[mc6102]

My point was if you are going to make the argument, wages were hardly the biggest issue, although it existed. I guess I am not great about getting my point across today. lol. In a hurry too much

Gotta run. See you later.

[sniperflea]

I voted for him because Kerry was not an option. The pres turned his back on his conservative base. The repubs want the cheap labor and the dems want the votes IMO.

[mc6102]

LOL. In a previous post he disagreed with something I said and touted "you must be a BUSH lover!"

Huh? Everyone I know for strict border control, who voted for Bush, is disappointed with his handling of this issue. IMO So why would he throw that out there??? It was very funny to me!

I dont mind if people disagree with me, but enough nonsense is enough... I feel I might just have to hit the Iggy button soon.

[sniperflea]

I can see a possible correlation between human rights and wages IF and only if people were FORCED to work for their wages. Its funny because if you follow his line of thinking then mexicans are coming here en masse to be slaves! They are coming here because the wages and working conditions are FAR above those in mexico. I am not condoning employers that higher illegals over our citizens. I am saying just the opposite because they (employers and illegals) are actually driving wages down for American citizens.

[sniperflea]

He is simply unhinged and spews nonsense and attacks those that do not agree with his socialist values. Critical thinking is not his strong point. When some one reverts to name calling and gratuitous statements they have lost the argument.

[mc6102]

Correct. Preserving the Union. I was in a bit of a hurry when I was responding. But if you he is throwing reasoning of "wages" in the mix then you must also include human rights issues.

My whole point was that of the possibility of a current Civil War, which is a separate issue.

You are right. Sniperflea

[mc6102]

Once again ergo... WHAT???!!! LOL. I never said any of that stuff. Whatever is going on in that head of yours i have no idea but you need to take a step back and calm down.

The only things that are odd are your posts.

You are putting things in my mouth that I did not say or believe. I have no idea where you get this or where you are coming from. I asked you where you stood on a previous post and you didn't answer... you are spewing random comments out on a conveyor belt -- they just keep coming!!! LOL

I don't believe in knowingly hiring illegal immigrants -- ever. When I was younger and more naive, I did pay illegals to do my lawn, at the price they asked, and every month gave them more because I didn't feel it was enough. I have paid every single person I've ever hired more than minimum wage or industry standard and have had very loyal people work for me.

So... what are you talking about??? LOL You are making me laugh.

[SoxFan]

I agree I don't think we should have any laws protecting workers or the environment. Just like third world countries - it should be survival of the fittest and if they don't speak English screw em.

[ergo sum]

Oh so you think paying less than a living wage is not slavery? You never heard of working for the company store? You never heard of a sweat shop?

I see you don’t object when others insult me but when I return the compliment you get upset. Odd isn’t it?

[sniperflea]

I have to disagree with you there bud. The main premise was the preservation of the union. Abolishing slavery something to do with it but was a ancillary priority IMO. To have minimum wage and the Civil War in the same sentence is bizzare. I just dont see where he is coming from. If you do enlighten me please. Thx.

[mc6102]

The fantasyland he was referring to was in response to my post about the possibilty of Civil War here again, in which case, I was referring to what Civil War was in general... not just directly related to history of a previous war. So I don't want to confuse things.

From what I've read of our history, it was about wage and human rights.

[mc6102]

he is partially correct. IMO

[sniperflea]

I have done a lot of reading on the Civil War. I think Ergo Sum maybe correct. I recall that during many battles the troops used to yell, "For MINIMUM WAGE!" and then do a bayonet or calvary charge. Lincoln when giving the Gettysburg Address was totally mortified when he left out the line or two he intended to put in there talking about how all those men died for a minimum wage. LOL.

Any capitalist knows that every society that utilized slavery failed miserably. People should be paid what they are worth according to the market not the government. Geesh.

[mc6102]

That is not the definition of Civil War... and I think we all agree the better side won. It was a human rights issue--not just whether or not we paid someone.

Oh, and name calling again? C'mon man. Get with the program and stop already.

[sniperflea]

I find it strange that the Feds can take something like Area 51 and have people come running when a butterfly farts inside their perimeter. That place is huge and they cover it REAL WELL. If the feds were serious they could take the same measures and do the whole border in a not so distant future IMO.

[sniperflea]

So much for engaging well thought out differences of opinion! Once again what a totally absurd thing to say. I will not engage with you in reference to further discussion. Iggy Engaged.


p.s. I like the word 'engaged' this evening for some reason.

[sniperflea]

Hahaha....I was expecting such a well thought out response from someone with a history of name calling like yourself. When you start name calling you already lost the argument. Your statement is rubbish and utterly absurd. Have a great Holiday!

[ergo sum]

Pretty much the civil war was fought against people who thought there should be no minimum wage. How stupid are you?

[sniperflea]

I think you are there already.

[sniperflea]

If you believe in tightening immigration you are automatically called a racist to invalidate your position. We are likened to the critical thinking ability of Archie Bunker.

[sniperflea]

Unions have a lot to do with jobs going else where IMO. The auto workers union is a good example. I know a few workers who get paid real good money and have substantial benefits for doing a job that a trained chimp can do. Long Shoreman have a sweet deal as well. Unions have their place and are needed for keeping companys from becoming dictatorial. Unfortunately theyare not interested in having salaries decided by the market rate. Minimum wage should be abolished. The higher we raise the minimum wage the more the CONSUMER pays for goods and services. Same thing when the liberals want to raise taxes on business. The tax is passed onto us and we have to spend more to make up for the increased taxes.

[mc6102]

Agree. Oh... and what happens when people try to cross on Mexico's southern border? They shoot them.

[sniperflea]

Has anybody mentioned that there has been several incidents of the mexican military making shallow incursions into the U.S. protecting drug shipments across the Rio Grande? Mexico is a facilitator for their own people coming across illegally. Illegal aliens send billions of dollars back into Mexico. Build a wall and mine the perimeter like Gitmo. Mexico IMO has declared war on the U.S.

[sniperflea]

The Pres has been a major disappointement to me in reference to controlling border access. Business owners want the cheap labor and the socialist (DNC) want the votes. I like the new term 'Undocumented Aliens' because it is sooo PC. They are ILLEGAL ALIENS and have broken the law and thus they are criminals IMO. Our our culture is being undermined by people who are here illegally and do not intend to be assimilated. Here in Maryland our health care is being severly taxed by uninsured illegals. Not to mention uninsured drivers, gangs, and the inherent problems arising from the language barrier. Like many people have said," Welcome to the US after you get in line and do it legally". Mexico is corrupt beyond words and yet illegals come here and protest waving the Mexican flag because we want to crack down on ILLEGAL immigration. The arrogance they have is gauling. Criminals protesting........try that in Mexico and see what happens to you. I believe our Constitutional rights should only be given to resident aliens and citizens. I do believe that there is a movement whose intent is to form a hispanic power base that will attempt to make a frontal assault on the sovereignty of our border states. This will take years and years but the way things are going now it appears to be very feasabile.